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Re: [GMCnet] Air bag plumbing size [message #342536 is a reply to message #250299] Mon, 15 April 2019 18:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
kstockwell is currently offline  kstockwell   United States
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Hi All,

I was just one of these people, side of I-90 in MA. The connection from the T block to the shut off valve sheared off. I unhooked the schrader valve from the other end of the T and put it into the bag, got the statie's repair guy to jack it up a few inches and then we filled it up and off I went.

I could not get any fittings off so I could put the tubing directly into the bag, along with carrying schrader valves, what's the fitting that goes from the 1/4" bag inlet to the tubing?

Thank you, going to go back to basics
https://www.facebook.com/groups/classicgmcmotorhomes/permalink/1340532099404657/
kelly





Ken Burton wrote on Wed, 21 May 2014 22:36
That is a problem with adding all of that extra hardware on the end of the air bag fitting. The airbag is constantly bouncing as you drive down the road and the weight of the extra hardware has to be supported by the "elbow" screwed into the bag as it bounces around.

If the air system works correctly then get rid of all of that extra stuff and screw the air hose connector directly into the airbag as GM designed it. If it bothers you that someday you might need to air the bag up separate from the on board compressor, then carry one or two schrader valves and screw them into air the air bag(s) when necessary. I carry two of them in my coach and have never needed them.

I took a local black list call a few years ago from someone who was stranded along the Interstate with what they said was a blown bag. When I got there with a spare bag I found that the problem was not the bag but instead was that first fitting in the bag had broken off flush with the end of the threads of the bag. I ended up installing the spare bag and brought them to my hangar. It took me a couple of hours to extract the old broken piece out of the original bag. By this time it was dark so they stayed over night and we reinstalled the original, now repaired, bag back on the coach the next morning. We also removed all of that extra hardware on the other side and changed it back to stock.

That whole incident added about 1.5 days to their vacation and was caused by something that was totally unnecessary in the first place.

JMHO

I believe all of that stuff is 1/4" pipe thread.


1978 Kingsley Putney VT
Re: [GMCnet] Air bag plumbing size [message #342540 is a reply to message #342536] Mon, 15 April 2019 21:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Dolph Santorine is currently offline  Dolph Santorine   United States
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Kelly

A number of our vendors have nicely put together “kits” that will allow you to do this.

You might want to reach out to them.

HTH

Dolph Santorine

DE AD0LF

Wheeling, West Virginia

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Sullybuilt Bags, Reaction Arms, Manny Transmission


> On Apr 15, 2019, at 7:56 PM, kelly stockwell via Gmclist wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I was just one of these people, side of I-90 in MA. The connection from the T block to the shut off valve sheared off. I unhooked the schrader valve
> from the other end of the T and put it into the bag, got the statie's repair guy to jack it up a few inches and then we filled it up and off I went.
>
>
> I could not get any fittings off so I could put the tubing directly into the bag, along with carrying schrader valves, what's the fitting that goes
> from the 1/4" bag inlet to the tubing?
>
> Thank you, going to go back to basics
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/classicgmcmotorhomes/permalink/1340532099404657/
> kelly
>
>
>
>
>
> Ken Burton wrote on Wed, 21 May 2014 22:36
>> That is a problem with adding all of that extra hardware on the end of the air bag fitting. The airbag is constantly bouncing as you drive down
>> the road and the weight of the extra hardware has to be supported by the "elbow" screwed into the bag as it bounces around.
>>
>> If the air system works correctly then get rid of all of that extra stuff and screw the air hose connector directly into the airbag as GM designed
>> it. If it bothers you that someday you might need to air the bag up separate from the on board compressor, then carry one or two schrader valves
>> and screw them into air the air bag(s) when necessary. I carry two of them in my coach and have never needed them.
>>
>> I took a local black list call a few years ago from someone who was stranded along the Interstate with what they said was a blown bag. When I got
>> there with a spare bag I found that the problem was not the bag but instead was that first fitting in the bag had broken off flush with the end of
>> the threads of the bag. I ended up installing the spare bag and brought them to my hangar. It took me a couple of hours to extract the old broken
>> piece out of the original bag. By this time it was dark so they stayed over night and we reinstalled the original, now repaired, bag back on the
>> coach the next morning. We also removed all of that extra hardware on the other side and changed it back to stock.
>>
>> That whole incident added about 1.5 days to their vacation and was caused by something that was totally unnecessary in the first place.
>>
>> JMHO
>>
>> I believe all of that stuff is 1/4" pipe thread.
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Air bag plumbing size [message #342577 is a reply to message #342540] Tue, 16 April 2019 18:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
kstockwell is currently offline  kstockwell   United States
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I don't want a kit, I just want a 1/4" NPT to the tube connection (no blocks, no shut offs, no T). I have an existing line with a nut on the tubing and the bag. I had looked on various GMC sites and didn't see exactly what I need.
Maybe it's not standard and I just go to a hardware store and look for things that match.



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Re: [GMCnet] Air bag plumbing size [message #342579 is a reply to message #342577] Tue, 16 April 2019 20:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jimmy_Bonez is currently offline  Jimmy_Bonez   United States
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Kelly what ever fitting you decide to use make sure it is of quality preferably DOT. If you shoot down to the Brattleboro NAPA more than likely they can get you a DOT fitting to fit your application.

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> On Apr 16, 2019, at 7:29 PM, kelly stockwell via Gmclist wrote:
>
> I don't want a kit, I just want a 1/4" NPT to the tube connection (no blocks, no shut offs, no T). I have an existing line with a nut on the tubing
> and the bag.
> Maybe it's not standard and I just go to a hardware store and look for things that match.
>
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Air bag plumbing size [message #342586 is a reply to message #342577] Tue, 16 April 2019 22:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Les schwab or any place that works on trucks will have what you need. 1/4”
npt male to 1/4” hose compression on the line side. Should come with a nut
on one side that you slip over the freshly trimmed line which you press
over a barb and then drop the nit down the line over the barb.

Sully
Bellevue wa

On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 4:30 PM kelly stockwell via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:

> I don't want a kit, I just want a 1/4" NPT to the tube connection (no
> blocks, no shut offs, no T). I have an existing line with a nut on the
> tubing
> and the bag.
> Maybe it's not standard and I just go to a hardware store and look for
> things that match.
>
>
> --
> 1978 Kingsley
> Putney VT
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Re: [GMCnet] Air bag plumbing size [message #342591 is a reply to message #342536] Wed, 17 April 2019 05:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ken Henderson is currently offline  Ken Henderson   United States
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Kelly,

I don't understand all the traffic for this. A simple Google search for
"1/4 npt male to 1/4 tubing" yields over a million results (many
inappropriate, of course). Here's one of them:
https://www.amazon.com/Pcs-Tube-push-connect-fitting-x/dp/B01DQ1A8YM

Ken H.

On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 8:14 AM kelly stockwell via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I was just one of these people, side of I-90 in MA. The connection from
> the T block to the shut off valve sheared off. I unhooked the schrader
> valve
> from the other end of the T and put it into the bag, got the statie's
> repair guy to jack it up a few inches and then we filled it up and off I
> went.
>
>
> I could not get any fittings off so I could put the tubing directly into
> the bag, along with carrying schrader valves, what's the fitting that goes
> from the 1/4" bag inlet to the tubing?
>
> Thank you, going to go back to basics
>
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/classicgmcmotorhomes/permalink/1340532099404657/
> kelly
>
>
>
>
>
> Ken Burton wrote on Wed, 21 May 2014 22:36
>> That is a problem with adding all of that extra hardware on the end of
> the air bag fitting. The airbag is constantly bouncing as you drive down
>> the road and the weight of the extra hardware has to be supported by the
> "elbow" screwed into the bag as it bounces around.
>>
>> If the air system works correctly then get rid of all of that extra
> stuff and screw the air hose connector directly into the airbag as GM
> designed
>> it. If it bothers you that someday you might need to air the bag up
> separate from the on board compressor, then carry one or two schrader valves
>> and screw them into air the air bag(s) when necessary. I carry two of
> them in my coach and have never needed them.
>>
>> I took a local black list call a few years ago from someone who was
> stranded along the Interstate with what they said was a blown bag. When I
> got
>> there with a spare bag I found that the problem was not the bag but
> instead was that first fitting in the bag had broken off flush with the end
> of
>> the threads of the bag. I ended up installing the spare bag and brought
> them to my hangar. It took me a couple of hours to extract the old broken
>> piece out of the original bag. By this time it was dark so they stayed
> over night and we reinstalled the original, now repaired, bag back on the
>> coach the next morning. We also removed all of that extra hardware on
> the other side and changed it back to stock.
>>
>> That whole incident added about 1.5 days to their vacation and was
> caused by something that was totally unnecessary in the first place.
>>
>> JMHO
>>
>> I believe all of that stuff is 1/4" pipe thread.
>
> --
> 1978 Kingsley
> Putney VT
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Air bag plumbing size [message #342592 is a reply to message #342586] Wed, 17 April 2019 06:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
kstockwell is currently offline  kstockwell   United States
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Sully,

What you just described is what I'm looking for (or at least what I have now). It's the piece I can't get out of the T fitting, I know 1/4" NPT on one side, I didn't know it was called 1/4" hose compression fitting on the other. Thank you.

My plan is to forgo the shut off valve, the T valve, the schrader valve (carry schrader valves with me) and go from the compressor into the bag. It's surprising how heavy the T block and the shut off valve are
https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/american-grease-stick-co-brass-compression-connector-1-4-tube-male-1-4-18-npt-cf-13c/11408070-P
Cheers
kelly


sgltrac wrote on Tue, 16 April 2019 23:50
Les schwab or any place that works on trucks will have what you need. 1/4"
npt male to 1/4" hose compression on the line side. Should come with a nut
on one side that you slip over the freshly trimmed line which you press
over a barb and then drop the nit down the line over the barb.

Sully
Bellevue wa

On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 4:30 PM kelly stockwell via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:

> I don't want a kit, I just want a 1/4" NPT to the tube connection (no
> blocks, no shut offs, no T). I have an existing line with a nut on the
> tubing
> and the bag.
> Maybe it's not standard and I just go to a hardware store and look for
> things that match.
>
>
> --
> 1978 Kingsley
> Putney VT
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Air bag plumbing size [message #342594 is a reply to message #342577] Wed, 17 April 2019 07:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Go to your local Ace hardware. They have them for around $2.00. It is a common item.

Ken Burton - N9KB
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Re: [GMCnet] Air bag plumbing size [message #342649 is a reply to message #342594] Thu, 18 April 2019 20:07 Go to previous message
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Here is the Napa part.

https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/SERABM230

On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 6:25 AM Ken Burton via Gmclist <
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> Go to your local Ace hardware. They have them for around $2.00. It is a
> common item.
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