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| Re: Oh, Sure, Another Fan Clutch [message #247058 is a reply to message #247050] |
Thu, 10 April 2014 19:26   |
mikethebike
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You are correct, I don't have a good 'bedside manner'. When I was in marketing at BellSouth back in the 1990's our largest account had a former Army Special Forces as head of their telecom/data and nobody in marketing liked him. Why? Because he told you exactly how it was. No BS, no sugar glazing, no politically correct crap. Just the truth, the facts and that was it. If you didn't like how he said it, too bad for you, he didn't loose sleep over it. I didn't have a problem with him. He and I got along very well. I don't play the P/C game. If I'm right and anyone refuses to hear what I have to say because they don't like the delivery, they are the ones who lose in that equation.
At one meeting the senior account executive from BellSouth who was making the big bucks and basically was a bull-shit artist with his nose stuck so far up every customers butt he knew what they ate at their last meal spouted off that "all a computer does is add, subtract , multiply and divide in binary"....well, I couldn't let that go and added that "you cannot multiply and divide in binary, you have to do an end-around-carry". Rick (the S/F guy) looked at me, pointed an index finger and a grin to indicate his approval then told the A/E that "well, finally, someone at BellSouth Marketing who knows something other than how to take our money". The A/E was not happy.
I just laughed. So, if I say something, and it is correct, and you ignore it because you don't like my delivery, that is your prerogative.
| WD0AFQ wrote on Thu, 10 April 2014 18:38 |
Mike, we do welcome new people here and most of us try to be very courteous. You would be much more accepted here if you would try to not be so critical of us and the things we do to our coaches. You have a lot of good ideas that people are not paying attention to because of the way you come across on your keyboard. We have others from South Carolina here who are very informative and offer lots of good stuff. You can become one of them too. I am serious about the fan clutch. Why not spend time working on that for us. We really don't need anyone critiquing the Sullybags. Many people have installed them over the last two years with no major problems. We already know they are a good product.
Good luck,
Dan
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| Re: Oh, Sure, Another Fan Clutch [message #247059 is a reply to message #247058] |
Thu, 10 April 2014 19:33 |
stick miller
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I've just found an H1 Hummer in the men's mall and was thinking of installing the power train in "Cousin Eddie"....
Stick Miller
'78 Royale - "White Trash" - she left me for another man
'76 Eleganza - "Cousin Eddie" Sold
'84 Bluebird Wanderlodge - "Past Tents"
Americus, GA
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| Re: [GMCnet] Oh, Sure, Another Fan Clutch [message #247061 is a reply to message #247054] |
Thu, 10 April 2014 19:50 |
Bob de Kruyff
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""The aerodynamic drag coefficient of the GMC was about .31 and until the Taurus/Sable were introduced had the lowest of any American automotive product. As far as the weight? The ONLY time the fan is really cooling the engine is below about 40 mph or so. After that enough air is being forced through the radiator you don't need it. It is at idle where you really need it. Precisely why it was invented....to reduce fuel consumption on the highway when your engine is turning higher rpm.""
The aero drag is the frontal area X the coefficient of drag--get the message? I can attest that at steady road load on the level, that there is not enough airflow to keep a GMC from overheating when it is 95 + F outside. Have you noticed that many vehicles with north south engines have electric fans on the base models, but engine driven fans with larger engines or those with heavy duty cooling packages? There may be a clue there.
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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| Re: Oh, Sure, Another Fan Clutch [message #247062 is a reply to message #247058] |
Thu, 10 April 2014 19:56 |
Bob de Kruyff
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""I just laughed. So, if I say something, and it is correct, and you ignore it because you don't like my delivery, that is your prerogative. ""
Mike, a key part of your discussion uses the words "facts" and "correct"" Possibly that's were the problem is.
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] Oh, Sure, Another Fan Clutch [message #247080 is a reply to message #247061] |
Fri, 11 April 2014 07:28 |
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Yeah, but when was the last your former employer, 'Government Motors' or any other manufacturer quoted the DRAG and not the coefficient of drag? The CD tells you how good the shape is, it's up to you to do more if you chose.
And those heavy duty trucks with both? Last time I looked a SuperDuty Ford was rated up to 22,000 lb gvw which is 10,000 more than the GMC Motorhome. And they aren't quoting CD either.
BIG difference.
| Bob de Kruyff wrote on Thu, 10 April 2014 19:50 |
""The aerodynamic drag coefficient of the GMC was about .31 and until the Taurus/Sable were introduced had the lowest of any American automotive product. As far as the weight? The ONLY time the fan is really cooling the engine is below about 40 mph or so. After that enough air is being forced through the radiator you don't need it. It is at idle where you really need it. Precisely why it was invented....to reduce fuel consumption on the highway when your engine is turning higher rpm.""
The aero drag is the frontal area X the coefficient of drag--get the message? I can attest that at steady road load on the level, that there is not enough airflow to keep a GMC from overheating when it is 95 + F outside. Have you noticed that many vehicles with north south engines have electric fans on the base models, but engine driven fans with larger engines or those with heavy duty cooling packages? There may be a clue there.
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| Re: Oh, Sure, Another Fan Clutch [message #247081 is a reply to message #247062] |
Fri, 11 April 2014 07:32 |
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No, I think too damned many people were raised by their mommies and not their fathers. Consequently they think people have an obligation to make everything sound nice instead of just telling it as it is.
| Bob de Kruyff wrote on Thu, 10 April 2014 19:56 |
""I just laughed. So, if I say something, and it is correct, and you ignore it because you don't like my delivery, that is your prerogative. ""
Mike, a key part of your discussion uses the words "facts" and "correct"" Possibly that's were the problem is.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Oh, Sure, Another Fan Clutch [message #247088 is a reply to message #247081] |
Fri, 11 April 2014 09:08 |
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Mike,
We do not enjoy your belligerent insulting attitude. We do not need your disruptive participation here. Please go away and don't come back.
The public does have an obligation to RESPECT those around them. It is the basis on which most laws are written.
How is that for telling it as it is?
If you feel the need to continue this discussion, lets take it to the sandbox where it won't unnecessarily disrupt the majority of peaceful, respectful members.
Les Burt
Montreal
1975 Eleganza 26ft
A work in Progress
On Apr 11, 2014, at 8:32 AM, mike foster <mafoster1@bellsouth.net> wrote:
No, I think too damned many people were raised by their mommies and not their fathers. Consequently they think people have an obligation to make everything sound nice instead of just telling it as it is.
Bob de Kruyff wrote on Thu, 10 April 2014 19:56
> ""I just laughed. So, if I say something, and it is correct, and you ignore it because you don't like my delivery, that is your prerogative. ""
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> Mike, a key part of your discussion uses the words "facts" and "correct"" Possibly that's were the problem is.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Oh, Sure, Another Fan Clutch [message #247090 is a reply to message #247080] |
Fri, 11 April 2014 09:18 |
GMC.LES
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I don't know the last time you looked at a SuperDuty, but my 2008 F250 6.4 diesel does not have an electric fan. When I pull a decent load up a long grade at 60mph in hot weather, the clutch fan will kick in. That is the way it has always worked, so ram air is not always enough to cool a heavy, hardworking vehicle.
Les Burt
Montreal
1975 Eleganza 26ft
A work in Progress
On Apr 11, 2014, at 8:28 AM, mike foster <mafoster1@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Yeah, but when was the last your former employer, 'Government Motors' or any other manufacturer quoted the DRAG and not the coefficient of drag? The CD tells you how good the shape is, it's up to you to do more if you chose.
And those heavy duty trucks with both? Last time I looked a SuperDuty Ford was rated up to 22,000 lb gvw which is 10,000 more than the GMC Motorhome. And they aren't quoting CD either.
BIG difference.
Bob de Kruyff wrote on Thu, 10 April 2014 19:50
> ""The aerodynamic drag coefficient of the GMC was about .31 and until the Taurus/Sable were introduced had the lowest of any American automotive product. As far as the weight? The ONLY time the fan is really cooling the engine is below about 40 mph or so. After that enough air is being forced through the radiator you don't need it. It is at idle where you really need it. Precisely why it was invented....to reduce fuel consumption on the highway when your engine is turning higher rpm.""
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> The aero drag is the frontal area X the coefficient of drag--get the message? I can attest that at steady road load on the level, that there is not enough airflow to keep a GMC from overheating when it is 95 + F outside. Have you noticed that many vehicles with north south engines have electric fans on the base models, but engine driven fans with larger engines or those with heavy duty cooling packages? There may be a clue there.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Oh, Sure, Another Fan Clutch [message #247092 is a reply to message #247054] |
Fri, 11 April 2014 09:30 |
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Mike,
Do you think this wind tunnel model accurately reflects the shape of a GMC?
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/the-bill-bryant-collection/p1621.html
Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
-----Original Message-----
From: mike foster
The aerodynamic drag coefficient of the GMC was about .31 and until the Taurus/Sable were introduced had the lowest of any American
automotive product. As far as the weight? The ONLY time the fan is really cooling the engine is below about 40 mph or so. After that
enough air is being forced through the radiator you don't need it. It is at idle where you really need it. Precisely why it was
invented....to reduce fuel consumption on the highway when your engine is turning higher rpm.
Do you think for one minute that these things generate more heat than a 700 HP ZR-1 crammed into the Vette with all that EPA junk
that we don't have? What about a HUMVEE?
Electric fans, properly installed and sized work. But those two items might just be the reason some on here have had trouble with
them. Kind of like installing the evaporator lines from the fuel tanks to the liquid separator and putting the lines from the tanks
on the TOP instead of on the bottom where they belong, They go on the bottom (at least that is how the factory manual shows them) so
that any condensed fuel goes back to the tank and not to the line towards the canister where it can block the venting of the tanks.
So, until I have definitive proof that the people who claim all the trouble with EMF fans used the proper sized unit, installed it
correctly I have no reason to put any credibility in their claims.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Oh, Sure, Another Fan Clutch [message #247106 is a reply to message #247080] |
Fri, 11 April 2014 10:45 |
Bob de Kruyff
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""Yeah, but when was the last your former employer, 'Government Motors' or any other manufacturer quoted the DRAG and not the coefficient of drag? The CD tells you how good the shape is, it's up to you to do more if you chose.
And those heavy duty trucks with both? Last time I looked a SuperDuty Ford was rated up to 22,000 lb gvw which is 10,000 more than the GMC Motorhome. And they aren't quoting CD either.
BIG difference""
Cd has become a great marketing tool and it does show how good a job you may have done in the wind tunnel. For all of the actual fuel economy and drag calculations, you have to use Cd X frontal area
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] Oh, Sure, Another Fan Clutch [message #247120 is a reply to message #247088] |
Fri, 11 April 2014 13:23 |
Al The HeatGuy
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How can you speak for "We"?
I certainly was not offended by Mike's posts. So you aren't talking for me.
There is this thing called Free Speech. And he has the right to his own
opinion. I may not agree with it all the time, but it is his right.
Please grow some thicker skin. No reason to be offended by mere words. None
of us here are children.
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From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
[mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Les Burt
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 10:09 AM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Oh, Sure, Another Fan Clutch
Mike,
We do not enjoy your belligerent insulting attitude. We do not need your
disruptive participation here. Please go away and don't come back.
The public does have an obligation to RESPECT those around them. It is the
basis on which most laws are written.
How is that for telling it as it is?
If you feel the need to continue this discussion, lets take it to the
sandbox where it won't unnecessarily disrupt the majority of peaceful,
respectful members.
Les Burt
Montreal
1975 Eleganza 26ft
A work in Progress
On Apr 11, 2014, at 8:32 AM, mike foster <mafoster1@bellsouth.net> wrote:
No, I think too damned many people were raised by their mommies and not
their fathers. Consequently they think people have an obligation to make
everything sound nice instead of just telling it as it is.
Bob de Kruyff wrote on Thu, 10 April 2014 19:56
> ""I just laughed. So, if I say something, and it is correct, and you
ignore it because you don't like my delivery, that is your prerogative. ""
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> Mike, a key part of your discussion uses the words "facts" and "correct""
Possibly that's were the problem is.
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| Re: Oh, Sure, Another Fan Clutch [message #247124 is a reply to message #247050] |
Fri, 11 April 2014 14:40 |
Dennis S
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Dan
You have a nice way of encouraging positive behavior change in people.
Thank you for the effort.
Dennis
| WD0AFQ wrote on Thu, 10 April 2014 18:38 |
Mike, we do welcome new people here and most of us try to be very courteous. You would be much more accepted here if you would try to not be so critical of us and the things we do to our coaches. You have a lot of good ideas that people are not paying attention to because of the way you come across on your keyboard. We have others from South Carolina here who are very informative and offer lots of good stuff. You can become one of them too. I am serious about the fan clutch. Why not spend time working on that for us. We really don't need anyone critiquing the Sullybags. Many people have installed them over the last two years with no major problems. We already know they are a good product.
Good luck,
Dan
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| Re: [GMCnet] Oh, Sure, Another Fan Clutch [message #247129 is a reply to message #247120] |
Fri, 11 April 2014 15:15 |
GMC.LES
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I guess you don't read all the messages here because
there have been several personal insults made, not just towards me. The offending person has been asked more than once to be a little more respectful. Is that a lot to ask?
Yes the word WE is a big word. Perhaps I should have used the phrase "more than one of us", but the point is, impolite attitudes are not pleasant to endure. We actually have guidelines that were put in place to help ensure a respectful environment.
For a person who feels so strongly, you couldn't sign your name to your comments? It is nice to know who we are sharing our conversations with.
If anyone has more to say on this topic, please use the forum to visit the sandbox, or create a new topic on group etiquette so that the rest of the members don't have to be subjected to this ongoing BS during their normal reading.
Les Burt
Montreal
1975 Eleganza 26ft
A work in Progress
On Apr 11, 2014, at 2:23 PM, "Al The HeatGuy" <al.heatguy@gmail.com> wrote:
How can you speak for "We"?
I certainly was not offended by Mike's posts. So you aren't talking for me.
There is this thing called Free Speech. And he has the right to his own
opinion. I may not agree with it all the time, but it is his right.
Please grow some thicker skin. No reason to be offended by mere words. None
of us here are children.
-----Original Message-----
From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
[mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Les Burt
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 10:09 AM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Oh, Sure, Another Fan Clutch
Mike,
We do not enjoy your belligerent insulting attitude. We do not need your
disruptive participation here. Please go away and don't come back.
The public does have an obligation to RESPECT those around them. It is the
basis on which most laws are written.
How is that for telling it as it is?
If you feel the need to continue this discussion, lets take it to the
sandbox where it won't unnecessarily disrupt the majority of peaceful,
respectful members.
Les Burt
Montreal
1975 Eleganza 26ft
A work in Progress
On Apr 11, 2014, at 8:32 AM, mike foster <mafoster1@bellsouth.net> wrote:
No, I think too damned many people were raised by their mommies and not
their fathers. Consequently they think people have an obligation to make
everything sound nice instead of just telling it as it is.
Bob de Kruyff wrote on Thu, 10 April 2014 19:56
> ""I just laughed. So, if I say something, and it is correct, and you
ignore it because you don't like my delivery, that is your prerogative. ""
>
> Mike, a key part of your discussion uses the words "facts" and "correct""
Possibly that's were the problem is.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Oh, Sure, Another Fan Clutch [message #247140 is a reply to message #247129] |
Fri, 11 April 2014 17:24 |
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| Les Burt[1 |
wrote on Fri, 11 April 2014 15:15]I guess you don't read all the messages here because
there have been several personal insults made, not just towards me. The offending person has been asked more than once to be a little more respectful. Is that a lot to ask?
Yes the word WE is a big word. Perhaps I should have used the phrase "more than one of us", but the point is, impolite attitudes are not pleasant to endure. We actually have guidelines that were put in place to help ensure a respectful environment.
For a person who feels so strongly, you couldn't sign your name to your comments? It is nice to know who we are sharing our conversations with.
If anyone has more to say on this topic, please use the forum to visit the sandbox, or create a new topic on group etiquette so that the rest of the members don't have to be subjected to this ongoing BS during their normal reading.
Les Burt
Montreal
1975 Eleganza 26ft
A work in Progress
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Les,
Just put him in the "Ignore all messages from this user" list. This way you do not even know when he posts something. I did this weeks ago so I have no idea what he did to trigger this thread and I really do not care.
Usually these types of postings are from someone who has an inferiority problem and he his saying "look at me, look at me".
Back to the GMC net.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] Oh, Sure, Another Fan Clutch [message #247141 is a reply to message #247129] |
Fri, 11 April 2014 17:28 |
kelvin
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Les is speaking for me.
Yes, Mike has the right of Free Speech. He won't be hauled off to jail
for expressing himself. Doesn't mean we have to just nod and put up
with what he has to say, or more importantly, how pompously he says it.
("It's Anti-Blocking System because I care to be correct!")
There are plenty of guys here who I don't agree with. I have nothing
against someone having an opinion and sharing it. Usually that is done
with a bit of tact. Some people don't have any idea what tact is and
"just tell it as I see it". In real life, most of us don't really like
that guy much.
So I'm telling it like I see it, Mike. You're an ass.
If you were the last guy on Earth who could help me keep my GMC running
we wouldn't be friends in the Real World. We certainly won't be friends
here where the Internet lets you be even more clueless and anti-social.
Oh, and that's "Al the Heat Guy", Les. It's a name, right? Not one
we've ever seen here before, of course.
Again.. lurking in the Interwebs is easy.
Kelvin - Who can also be the "Tell It As I See It Guy" but usually
chooses to be civilized.
'73 23' in Eugene, OR
On 4/11/2014 1:15 PM, Les Burt wrote:
> I guess you don't read all the messages here because
> there have been several personal insults made, not just towards me. The offending person has been asked more than once to be a little more respectful. Is that a lot to ask?
>
> Yes the word WE is a big word. Perhaps I should have used the phrase "more than one of us", but the point is, impolite attitudes are not pleasant to endure. We actually have guidelines that were put in place to help ensure a respectful environment.
>
> For a person who feels so strongly, you couldn't sign your name to your comments? It is nice to know who we are sharing our conversations with.
>
> If anyone has more to say on this topic, please use the forum to visit the sandbox, or create a new topic on group etiquette so that the rest of the members don't have to be subjected to this ongoing BS during their normal reading.
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> Les Burt
> Montreal
> 1975 Eleganza 26ft
> A work in Progress
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> On Apr 11, 2014, at 2:23 PM, "Al The HeatGuy" <al.heatguy@gmail.com> wrote:
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> How can you speak for "We"?
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> I certainly was not offended by Mike's posts. So you aren't talking for me.
> There is this thing called Free Speech. And he has the right to his own
> opinion. I may not agree with it all the time, but it is his right.
>
> Please grow some thicker skin. No reason to be offended by mere words. None
> of us here are children.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
> [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Les Burt
> Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 10:09 AM
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Oh, Sure, Another Fan Clutch
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> Mike,
> We do not enjoy your belligerent insulting attitude. We do not need your
> disruptive participation here. Please go away and don't come back.
>
> The public does have an obligation to RESPECT those around them. It is the
> basis on which most laws are written.
>
> How is that for telling it as it is?
>
> If you feel the need to continue this discussion, lets take it to the
> sandbox where it won't unnecessarily disrupt the majority of peaceful,
> respectful members.
>
> Les Burt
> Montreal
> 1975 Eleganza 26ft
> A work in Progress
>
>
>
> On Apr 11, 2014, at 8:32 AM, mike foster <mafoster1@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> No, I think too damned many people were raised by their mommies and not
> their fathers. Consequently they think people have an obligation to make
> everything sound nice instead of just telling it as it is.
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Oh, Sure, Another Fan Clutch [message #247142 is a reply to message #247090] |
Fri, 11 April 2014 17:47 |
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Damn, BURT, are we having problems with our reading comprehension skills today? It was our good retired GM guy who said they had both and my statement was in response to his. So, next time, read the post and what preceded it.
Comparing a 22,000 lb GVW to a 12000 Lb GVW vehicle is not even close to a fair comparison. Hell, if it was, why not compare my 675 lb 130 h/p BMW motorcycle to a 4000 lb Mercedes Benz 560/SEC?
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wrote on Fri, 11 April 2014 09:18]I don't know the last time you looked at a SuperDuty, but my 2008 F250 6.4 diesel does not have an electric fan. When I pull a decent load up a long grade at 60mph in hot weather, the clutch fan will kick in. That is the way it has always worked, so ram air is not always enough to cool a heavy, hardworking vehicle.
Les Burt
Montreal
1975 Eleganza 26ft
A work in Progress
On Apr 11, 2014, at 8:28 AM, mike foster <mafoster1@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Yeah, but when was the last your former employer, 'Government Motors' or any other manufacturer quoted the DRAG and not the coefficient of drag? The CD tells you how good the shape is, it's up to you to do more if you chose.
And those heavy duty trucks with both? Last time I looked a SuperDuty Ford was rated up to 22,000 lb gvw which is 10,000 more than the GMC Motorhome. And they aren't quoting CD either.
BIG difference.
Bob de Kruyff wrote on Thu, 10 April 2014 19:50
> ""The aerodynamic drag coefficient of the GMC was about .31 and until the Taurus/Sable were introduced had the lowest of any American automotive product. As far as the weight? The ONLY time the fan is really cooling the engine is below about 40 mph or so. After that enough air is being forced through the radiator you don't need it. It is at idle where you really need it. Precisely why it was invented....to reduce fuel consumption on the highway when your engine is turning higher rpm.""
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> The aero drag is the frontal area X the coefficient of drag--get the message? I can attest that at steady road load on the level, that there is not enough airflow to keep a GMC from overheating when it is 95 + F outside. Have you noticed that many vehicles with north south engines have electric fans on the base models, but engine driven fans with larger engines or those with heavy duty cooling packages? There may be a clue there.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Oh, Sure, Another Fan Clutch [message #247143 is a reply to message #247129] |
Fri, 11 April 2014 17:52 |
Al The HeatGuy
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Ya got me...
I did not read all the posts. Realized it when I let that last one fly.
Sorry.
Not afraid to let you know who I am. Just don't like typing on my phone.
Al Corelli
Mamaroneck, NY
-----Original Message-----
From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
[mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Les Burt
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 4:15 PM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Oh, Sure, Another Fan Clutch
I guess you don't read all the messages here because there have been several
personal insults made, not just towards me. The offending person has been
asked more than once to be a little more respectful. Is that a lot to ask?
Yes the word WE is a big word. Perhaps I should have used the phrase "more
than one of us", but the point is, impolite attitudes are not pleasant to
endure. We actually have guidelines that were put in place to help ensure a
respectful environment.
For a person who feels so strongly, you couldn't sign your name to your
comments? It is nice to know who we are sharing our conversations with.
If anyone has more to say on this topic, please use the forum to visit the
sandbox, or create a new topic on group etiquette so that the rest of the
members don't have to be subjected to this ongoing BS during their normal
reading.
Les Burt
Montreal
1975 Eleganza 26ft
A work in Progress
On Apr 11, 2014, at 2:23 PM, "Al The HeatGuy" <al.heatguy@gmail.com> wrote:
How can you speak for "We"?
I certainly was not offended by Mike's posts. So you aren't talking for me.
There is this thing called Free Speech. And he has the right to his own
opinion. I may not agree with it all the time, but it is his right.
Please grow some thicker skin. No reason to be offended by mere words. None
of us here are children.
-----Original Message-----
From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
[mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Les Burt
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 10:09 AM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Oh, Sure, Another Fan Clutch
Mike,
We do not enjoy your belligerent insulting attitude. We do not need your
disruptive participation here. Please go away and don't come back.
The public does have an obligation to RESPECT those around them. It is the
basis on which most laws are written.
How is that for telling it as it is?
If you feel the need to continue this discussion, lets take it to the
sandbox where it won't unnecessarily disrupt the majority of peaceful,
respectful members.
Les Burt
Montreal
1975 Eleganza 26ft
A work in Progress
On Apr 11, 2014, at 8:32 AM, mike foster <mafoster1@bellsouth.net> wrote:
No, I think too damned many people were raised by their mommies and not
their fathers. Consequently they think people have an obligation to make
everything sound nice instead of just telling it as it is.
Bob de Kruyff wrote on Thu, 10 April 2014 19:56
> ""I just laughed. So, if I say something, and it is correct, and you
ignore it because you don't like my delivery, that is your prerogative. ""
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> Mike, a key part of your discussion uses the words "facts" and "correct""
Possibly that's were the problem is.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Oh, Sure, Another Fan Clutch [message #247144 is a reply to message #247129] |
Fri, 11 April 2014 17:59 |
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Hey, BURT, remember when I first came on to this forum and said I bought a set of EAGLE forged rims and how much I paid for them? Remember the attacks on me and how some of you dips claimed I didn't have 'true hub centered wheels' and how Jim offered for me to 'say that to my pie shaped, slant-eyed face'. REMEMBER???
I was the FNG and apparently some of you dicks though fair game. Did I go running to the 'hall monitors' crying that 'Jim is being a dick' or 'Les is being a bully'?? The answer would be a NO. I did, however, advise Jim that his offer might not be in his best interest. I see that you apparently read my counter to Jim and have not offered the same.
So, in closing, when you feel to need to offer up your advise to me....just shut the f--k up.
| Les Burt[1 |
wrote on Fri, 11 April 2014 15:15]I guess you don't read all the messages here because
there have been several personal insults made, not just towards me. The offending person has been asked more than once to be a little more respectful. Is that a lot to ask?
Yes the word WE is a big word. Perhaps I should have used the phrase "more than one of us", but the point is, impolite attitudes are not pleasant to endure. We actually have guidelines that were put in place to help ensure a respectful environment.
For a person who feels so strongly, you couldn't sign your name to your comments? It is nice to know who we are sharing our conversations with.
If anyone has more to say on this topic, please use the forum to visit the sandbox, or create a new topic on group etiquette so that the rest of the members don't have to be subjected to this ongoing BS during their normal reading.
Les Burt
Montreal
1975 Eleganza 26ft
A work in Progress
On Apr 11, 2014, at 2:23 PM, "Al The HeatGuy" <al.heatguy@gmail.com> wrote:
How can you speak for "We"?
I certainly was not offended by Mike's posts. So you aren't talking for me.
There is this thing called Free Speech. And he has the right to his own
opinion. I may not agree with it all the time, but it is his right.
Please grow some thicker skin. No reason to be offended by mere words. None
of us here are children.
-----Original Message-----
From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
[mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Les Burt
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 10:09 AM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Oh, Sure, Another Fan Clutch
Mike,
We do not enjoy your belligerent insulting attitude. We do not need your
disruptive participation here. Please go away and don't come back.
The public does have an obligation to RESPECT those around them. It is the
basis on which most laws are written.
How is that for telling it as it is?
If you feel the need to continue this discussion, lets take it to the
sandbox where it won't unnecessarily disrupt the majority of peaceful,
respectful members.
Les Burt
Montreal
1975 Eleganza 26ft
A work in Progress
On Apr 11, 2014, at 8:32 AM, mike foster <mafoster1@bellsouth.net> wrote:
No, I think too damned many people were raised by their mommies and not
their fathers. Consequently they think people have an obligation to make
everything sound nice instead of just telling it as it is.
Bob de Kruyff wrote on Thu, 10 April 2014 19:56
> ""I just laughed. So, if I say something, and it is correct, and you
ignore it because you don't like my delivery, that is your prerogative. ""
>
> Mike, a key part of your discussion uses the words "facts" and "correct""
Possibly that's were the problem is.
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