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| Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH [message #244886 is a reply to message #244858] |
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USAussie
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Peer,
I'm sure you can tell from my last name (US Immigration took out the umlaut and added the "e") that I am of German descent. I agree
in part with what you've note; in fact I often joke about German ingenuity and inventiveness.
However, when someone from another country other than the USA brags about technical ability I ask; "When do you plan on landing on
the Moon?" ;-)
In my opinion Project Apollo WAS the height of "inventiveness" in my generation.
Yes, I am aware that Dr. Werner Von Braun along with a number of other German scientists / engineers captured at Peenemunde played
important parts in the US Space program.
Regards,
Rob Mueller.
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
-----Original Message-----
From: Peer Oliver Schmidt
Maybe it comes from the fact that the ABS was invented by the Germans.
And in German the long form is Anti Blockier System. The first company,
according to wikipedia, that made it readily available was an American
company in the 60s. As always, the German invents stuff, and the
American perfect it and build it :)
Best regards
Peer Oliver Schmidt
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| Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH [message #244889 is a reply to message #244858] |
Mon, 24 March 2014 19:10 |
Bob de Kruyff
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""Maybe it comes from the fact that the ABS was invented by the Germans.
And in German the long form is Anti Blockier System. The first company,
according to wikipedia, that made it readily available was an American
company in the 60s. As always, the German invents stuff, and the
American perfect it and build it 
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Best regards
Peer Oliver Schmidt
the internet company
PGP Key ID: 0x83E1C2EA
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For some reason I love that answer. I'm sure it's going to start a firestorm of replies that will be enjoyable for all of us. (BTW, I just bought a new SL)
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH [message #244891 is a reply to message #244867] |
Mon, 24 March 2014 19:16 |
Bob de Kruyff
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| Dave Mumert wrote on Mon, 24 March 2014 11:19 |
HI All
> or calling ABS braking Anti-Lock-brakes when in fact ABS is an abbreviation for Anti-BLOCK-System
The folks who mandated ABS believe ABS means Antilock Braking System.
http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/documents/fhwa-abs.pdf
I can't believe I am responding to this.
I'm a bit confused about this discussion which started out as, or morphed to, liability concerns. Some of those fanning the
liability flames are the ones who are willing to accept the one ton front end upgrade. I don't understand what is so much more
frightening about better rear brakes as opposed to hacking the end off your control arm and welding on some plates so you can run a
different knuckle.
I am not concerned about the safety or reliability of the one ton upgrade. I think it is superior you the OEM system, but if your
front wheel breaks off for any reason the bottom feeding lawyers will have a field day because of the modification.
Dave Mumert
'76 Eleganza II
Alberta, CA
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Dave, it really is an interesting issue. I'm fine with upgrades and selectively do them myself. What I struggle with is the civil liability process that tries to find someone with money and even a glimpse of liability. You can imagine what I see in my current job that is downright incredibly unfair.
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH [message #244921 is a reply to message #244920] |
Mon, 24 March 2014 22:52 |
Bob de Kruyff
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[/quote]
Yes and no.
NHTSA regulates new production and nothing else.
FMCSA enforces many of the NHTSA regulations but only has jurisdiction for commercial carriers. So, as personal usage folks, none of those regulations apply to us, nor can they be enforced. The issue is a civil incident were various laws can be used as examples of compliance and or modifications that stray from any of the above.
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH [message #245066 is a reply to message #245015] |
Tue, 25 March 2014 18:06 |
Kingsley Coach
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Gary
10 more posts and we crack 100 comments on this topic..this in itself
could be a record !
Mike in NS
On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 1:06 AM, Kosier <gkosier@roadrunner.com> wrote:
> This is turning into another Tom Warner fiasco. That's where you take a
> ridiculous position and keep hammering on it until everyone gives up and
> quits
> posting. Then you claim righteous victory. It's getting really tiresome.
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> Gary Kosier
> 77 PB w/500 Cad
> Newark, Oh
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Galbavy
> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 8:54 PM
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH
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> but did you mention to them that this aftermarket equipment was never
> tested
> by a reconized industry lab and was replacing manufacturer's safety
> equipment?
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> jim galbavy
> '73 x-CL ANNIE
> Lake Mary, FL
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| Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH [message #245069 is a reply to message #245066] |
Tue, 25 March 2014 18:18 |
mikethebike
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Is there a betting pool on when?
| Kingsley Coach wrote on Tue, 25 March 2014 18:06 |
Gary
10 more posts and we crack 100 comments on this topic..this in itself
could be a record !
Mike in NS
On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 1:06 AM, Kosier <gkosier@roadrunner.com> wrote:
> This is turning into another Tom Warner fiasco. That's where you take a
> ridiculous position and keep hammering on it until everyone gives up and
> quits
> posting. Then you claim righteous victory. It's getting really tiresome.
>
> Gary Kosier
> 77 PB w/500 Cad
> Newark, Oh
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Galbavy
> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 8:54 PM
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH
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> but did you mention to them that this aftermarket equipment was never
> tested
> by a reconized industry lab and was replacing manufacturer's safety
> equipment?
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> jim galbavy
> '73 x-CL ANNIE
> Lake Mary, FL
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| Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH [message #245074 is a reply to message #244886] |
Tue, 25 March 2014 18:28 |
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VonBraun and his group made sure they were 'captured' by the US forces rather than the Russians because the US was a Christian country vs atheist USSR. One thing about the USA in WW-II was we didn't go after the 'spoils of war' and take what we wanted. The Marshall Plan spent billions rebuilding Europe and MacArthur did the same in Japan.
As for Apollo there is a photo of an astronaut on the surface of the moon and the caption reads:
"I went to the moon with less computer power than your I-Phone 5 and you're complaining about slow G-4?"
| USAussie wrote on Mon, 24 March 2014 17:55 |
Peer,
I'm sure you can tell from my last name (US Immigration took out the umlaut and added the "e") that I am of German descent. I agree
in part with what you've note; in fact I often joke about German ingenuity and inventiveness.
However, when someone from another country other than the USA brags about technical ability I ask; "When do you plan on landing on
the Moon?" 
In my opinion Project Apollo WAS the height of "inventiveness" in my generation.
Yes, I am aware that Dr. Werner Von Braun along with a number of other German scientists / engineers captured at Peenemunde played
important parts in the US Space program.
Regards,
Rob Mueller.
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
-----Original Message-----
From: Peer Oliver Schmidt
Maybe it comes from the fact that the ABS was invented by the Germans.
And in German the long form is Anti Blockier System. The first company,
according to wikipedia, that made it readily available was an American
company in the 60s. As always, the German invents stuff, and the
American perfect it and build it
Best regards
Peer Oliver Schmidt
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| Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH [message #245081 is a reply to message #245015] |
Tue, 25 March 2014 19:20 |
Jim Galbavy
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Gary,
I'm not the one dragging this subject on and on. I just asked a simple question and only Emery answered. ....others ran off with their personal opinions but no facts.
I could give a rats @22 what others do. I've put way more trouble free miles over the years than most of these self proclaim experts. I've used my GMC as a moving van, dive center and drag racer and even got on the Travel Channel. ..besides attending rallies with five GMC clubs. It is perfect for vacationing in the Keys and has been there many times. Still using the same 455 and trans and brakes for 11 years with no problems or issues. Only towed once, when the A/C belt broke and took out the other two.
....but just my 2 cents worth.
jim galbavy
'73 x-CL ANNIE
Lake Mary, FL
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| Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH [message #245085 is a reply to message #245074] |
Tue, 25 March 2014 19:42 |
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I met von braun with bucky fuller and i ask him to write me a line for my song called unite the world. He wrote:
" hitch your wagon to a star it really works"
No matter who you are hitch your wagon to a star it really works ended up as the line he agreed on.
WHen i met him he was trying to transport a tea cup with a laser? really mickey anaheim ca. 77 palm beach,
this happened at notre dame U, kellogs hall, about 19 76 or so. he lived in german town virginia i think it was.
he sent me a letter and i stepped out of the front door of my geodesic dome in carbondale ill. I bought bucky fuller dome home when he left town to Boston and the post man handed me the letter from werner. It was a clear day but one rain drop landed on the letter. When i opened it, the water hit his signature and it was done with a magic marker and it blurred it. very strange of the odds of that happening. He was a giant and he always had his shoulders like he was trying to get off the ground.
the saturn 5 was the greatest thing i can think of invented by man. he was cheerful and he and bucky and bill lear ( lear jet) were there together with me listening to these maniacs. they had so much fun together with buz aldren and cooper and others around that flew there jets up for the afternoon to attend the top 300 inventors in the world it was the 100 year birthday of the college there. 300 doctorates that invented the nuclear sub, transistor, Dr. Weisner - increased protein wheat, Bill Lear, longest tram guy, the geodesic dome bucky had done the worlds fair in canada with a 1/4 mile dome, there were 12 of them that got honorary doctors degrees that day. I can't think of them all right now. I was the only one there because i audio recorded all of bucky's talks and i was let in to the event with robbed 300 doctors seated to watch and me. lots of moon men astronauts and inventors what a day that was. sorry if i am off topic but robM got me thinking of it. M>
On Mar 25, 2014, at 4:28 PM, mike foster wrote:
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> VonBraun and his group made sure they were 'captured' by the US forces rather than the Russians because the US was a Christian country vs atheist USSR. One thing about the USA in WW-II was we didn't go after the 'spoils of war' and take what we wanted. The Marshall Plan spent billions rebuilding Europe and MacArthur did the same in Japan.
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> As for Apollo there is a photo of an astronaut on the surface of the moon and the caption reads:
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> "I went to the moon with less computer power than your I-Phone 5 and you're complaining about slow G-4?"
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> USAussie wrote on Mon, 24 March 2014 17:55
>> Peer,
>>
>> I'm sure you can tell from my last name (US Immigration took out the umlaut and added the "e") that I am of German descent. I agree
>> in part with what you've note; in fact I often joke about German ingenuity and inventiveness.
>>
>> However, when someone from another country other than the USA brags about technical ability I ask; "When do you plan on landing on
>> the Moon?" ;)
>>
>> In my opinion Project Apollo WAS the height of "inventiveness" in my generation.
>>
>> Yes, I am aware that Dr. Werner Von Braun along with a number of other German scientists / engineers captured at Peenemunde played
>> important parts in the US Space program.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Rob Mueller.
>> Sydney, Australia
>> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
>> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Peer Oliver Schmidt
>>
>> Maybe it comes from the fact that the ABS was invented by the Germans.
>> And in German the long form is Anti Blockier System. The first company,
>> according to wikipedia, that made it readily available was an American
>> company in the 60s. As always, the German invents stuff, and the
>> American perfect it and build it :)
>>
>> Best regards
>> Peer Oliver Schmidt
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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