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Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH [message #245099 is a reply to message #245092] Tue, 25 March 2014 21:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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birds of a feather. M 77 pb so ca.

On Mar 25, 2014, at 6:35 PM, Larry Davick wrote:

> What a fascinating thread this has become. I stopped reading it as it was getting "pissy" but as with most things GMC I can't stay away. Those engineers that took man to the Moon and built Bucky's domes, and all the other things you mention were of the same generation as the engineers who designed and labor that built our coaches.
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> Of course there is the Vega...
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Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH [message #245100 is a reply to message #245092] Tue, 25 March 2014 21:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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great point. thank you best regards mick.


On Mar 25, 2014, at 6:35 PM, Larry Davick wrote:

> What a fascinating thread this has become. I stopped reading it as it was getting "pissy" but as with most things GMC I can't stay away. Those engineers that took man to the Moon and built Bucky's domes, and all the other things you mention were of the same generation as the engineers who designed and labor that built our coaches.
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> Of course there is the Vega...
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Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH [message #245109 is a reply to message #245100] Tue, 25 March 2014 21:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Huh? What did he say???

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Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH [message #245111 is a reply to message #243716] Tue, 25 March 2014 21:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If I did nothing but flat land I would do drums if it wasn't potentially more expensive than doing disks. 35 year old backing plates to weld up and surface if wear groves to bad, (is that a modification or a repair? Welding or brazing backing plates, what would the litigator think?) $180 drums if I need them. Modify them with bigger shoes taking care of complete drum surface perhaps, (is that a modification?) larger wheel cyls on back for less chance of flat spotting tires, Reaction arm, smaller wheel cyls up front and stock rear? (Are those modifications?) Only benefit I can see is perhaps a better park brake if you do a modification and remove some of the friction and build a 2' longer handle. live with it completely stock and don't bitch about how hard it is to put the park brake on and honey I'll press the brakes while you put the chocks in, or crap that emergency stop cost me $500 bucks because I just flat spotted my rear tires. And crappy brakes that could be a cheap outcome. I don't expect braking like my Porsche. To fit the 350 in I had to remove the vacuum booster and I installed a hydra boost, nice modulation. I can lock up the 285/55r16's but nice braking.
Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH [message #245113 is a reply to message #245085] Tue, 25 March 2014 22:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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mickeysss wrote on Tue, 25 March 2014 18:42

I met von braun with bucky fuller and i ask him to write me a line for my song called unite the world. He wrote:
" hitch your wagon to a star it really works"
No matter who you are hitch your wagon to a star it really works ended up as the line he agreed on.
WHen i met him he was trying to transport a tea cup with a laser? really mickey anaheim ca. 77 palm beach,
this happened at notre dame U, kellogs hall, about 19 76 or so. he lived in german town virginia i think it was.
he sent me a letter and i stepped out of the front door of my geodesic dome in carbondale ill. I bought bucky fuller dome home when he left town to Boston and the post man handed me the letter from werner. It was a clear day but one rain drop landed on the letter. When i opened it, the water hit his signature and it was done with a magic marker and it blurred it. very strange of the odds of that happening. He was a giant and he always had his shoulders like he was trying to get off the ground.
the saturn 5 was the greatest thing i can think of invented by man. he was cheerful and he and bucky and bill lear ( lear jet) were there together with me listening to these maniacs. they had so much fun together with buz aldren and cooper and others around that flew there jets up for the afternoon to attend the top 300 inventors in the world it was the 100 year birthday of the college there. 300 doctorates that invented the nuclear sub, transistor, Dr. Weisner - increased protein wheat, Bill Lear, longest tram guy, the geodesic dome bucky had done the worlds fair in canada with a 1/4 mile dome, there were 12 of them that got honorary doctors degrees that day. I can't think of them all right now. I was the only one there because i audio recorded all of bucky's talks and i was let in to the event with robbed 300 doctors seated to watch and me. lots of moon men astronauts and inventors what a day that was. sorry if i am off topic but robM got me thinking of it. M>


On Mar 25, 2014, at 4:28 PM, mike foster wrote:

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> VonBraun and his group made sure they were 'captured' by the US forces rather than the Russians because the US was a Christian country vs atheist USSR. One thing about the USA in WW-II was we didn't go after the 'spoils of war' and take what we wanted. The Marshall Plan spent billions rebuilding Europe and MacArthur did the same in Japan.
>
> As for Apollo there is a photo of an astronaut on the surface of the moon and the caption reads:
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> "I went to the moon with less computer power than your I-Phone 5 and you're complaining about slow G-4?"
>
> USAussie wrote on Mon, 24 March 2014 17:55
>> Peer,
>>
>> I'm sure you can tell from my last name (US Immigration took out the umlaut and added the "e") that I am of German descent. I agree
>> in part with what you've note; in fact I often joke about German ingenuity and inventiveness.
>>
>> However, when someone from another country other than the USA brags about technical ability I ask; "When do you plan on landing on
>> the Moon?" Wink
>>
>> In my opinion Project Apollo WAS the height of "inventiveness" in my generation.
>>
>> Yes, I am aware that Dr. Werner Von Braun along with a number of other German scientists / engineers captured at Peenemunde played
>> important parts in the US Space program.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Rob Mueller.
>> Sydney, Australia
>> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
>> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Peer Oliver Schmidt
>>
>> Maybe it comes from the fact that the ABS was invented by the Germans.
>> And in German the long form is Anti Blockier System. The first company,
>> according to wikipedia, that made it readily available was an American
>> company in the 60s. As always, the German invents stuff, and the
>> American perfect it and build it Smile
>>
>> Best regards
>> Peer Oliver Schmidt
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I hope it was a U-Haul hitch !


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Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH [message #245116 is a reply to message #245015] Tue, 25 March 2014 22:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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What I want to know is where'd that subject "...kenH" come from? I ain't
said nuttin!

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On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 11:06 PM, Kosier wrote:

> This is turning into another Tom Warner fiasco. That's where you take a
> ridiculous position and keep hammering on it until everyone gives up and
> quits
> posting. Then you claim righteous victory. It's getting really tiresome.
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Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH [message #245125 is a reply to message #243716] Tue, 25 March 2014 23:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think Fischer is the only one that could do that.
Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH [message #245137 is a reply to message #245111] Wed, 26 March 2014 07:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Bill,

My stock GMC parking brake holds my coach like it's tied to a tree when I'm doing a burnout at the strip and releases easily.
You just have to use it and keep the cables clean once in a while.

Ya'll wouldn't do like I do, but that's fine. To me the stock (or near stock) GMC systems are just fine as designed. ...but I wonder if Enzo would have a cam for my 455. Your mileage may vary. Wink

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Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH [message #245245 is a reply to message #245092] Wed, 26 March 2014 18:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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ljdavick wrote on Tue, 25 March 2014 21:35

<snip>
Of course there is the Vega...

Larry Davick

Larry,

You are only half right.

Most people don't know that the GM Bean counters killed the Vega by not letting the known issues be that were identified during the normal product validation be corrected as the vehicle was intended only as a price leader for first time buyers. The result was it was a loser for last time buyers.

The engine bore damage issue was cured in the later builds with an additional step in the cylinder head installation process. Cost~$0.80/unit

The weak front end structure that would collapse with serious driving was an expensive fix. I required two extra struts in the engine space. Cost ~~3/unit

The rust issue was worse case. I had mine undercoated and got my money back from Ziebart. I also tried to get the rust out warranty from Chevrolet when the cowel rusted through at 48K. The service manager said that the warranty was only good to 50K and he wasn't even going to do the paper work.

I took both complaints to a company representative and was told the polite equivalent of "you bought a cheap ass car, what did you expect". I told him that I was hoping for at least the quality of the Opals I had been driving and never have set foot in any GM dealership again.

Matt


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Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH [message #245257 is a reply to message #245245] Wed, 26 March 2014 19:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Same thing they did with the Olds diesel. We were going to buy a 1980 Caprice diesel until I talked with my wifes uncle who sold Buicks (300-600 per year and poor mouthed all the way to the bank) in Charleston and to Dan Perron who had been the top wrench at Hal Warren Chevy before quitting to race full time. Both said the $$$$ men didn't allow enough engineering to be done to make the 350 Olds a diesel According to them all they had was enough money to install the high compression heads and injection and get the thing past EPA. By 1982/3 the problems were corrected but the damage was done. My best friend overf the past 40 years had an 83 Eldorado diesel that he put 350,000 miles with no more than a fuel pump.


Matt Colie wrote on Wed, 26 March 2014 18:57

ljdavick wrote on Tue, 25 March 2014 21:35

<snip>
Of course there is the Vega...

Larry Davick

Larry,

You are only half right.

Most people don't know that the GM Bean counters killed the Vega by not letting the known issues be that were identified during the normal product validation be corrected as the vehicle was intended only as a price leader for first time buyers. The result was it was a loser for last time buyers.

Matt
Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH [message #245279 is a reply to message #245257] Wed, 26 March 2014 21:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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mikethebike wrote on Wed, 26 March 2014 18:42

Same thing they did with the Olds diesel. We were going to buy a 1980 Caprice diesel until I talked with my wifes uncle who sold Buicks (300-600 per year and poor mouthed all the way to the bank) in Charleston and to Dan Perron who had been the top wrench at Hal Warren Chevy before quitting to race full time. Both said the $$$$ men didn't allow enough engineering to be done to make the 350 Olds a diesel According to them all they had was enough money to install the high compression heads and injection and get the thing past EPA. By 1982/3 the problems were corrected but the damage was done. My best friend overf the past 40 years had an 83 Eldorado diesel that he put 350,000 miles with no more than a fuel pump.


Matt Colie wrote on Wed, 26 March 2014 18:57

ljdavick wrote on Tue, 25 March 2014 21:35

<snip>
Of course there is the Vega...

Larry Davick

Larry,

You are only half right.

Most people don't know that the GM Bean counters killed the Vega by not letting the known issues be that were identified during the normal product validation be corrected as the vehicle was intended only as a price leader for first time buyers. The result was it was a loser for last time buyers.

Matt


The bean counter story will probably never go away. Nor will the stories of aliens in Roswell.


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Re: [GMCnet] Veghas and urban legends ( HijackedSupplemental brake systems, kenH) [message #245312 is a reply to message #245279] Thu, 27 March 2014 08:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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From: Bob de Kruyff NEXT2POOL@AOL.COM

How accurate was DeLorean's book chapter on the Vega?

--johnny

> > Most people don't know that the GM Bean counters killed the Vega by not letting the known issues be that were identified during the normal product validation be corrected as the vehicle was intended only as a price leader for first time buyers.  The result was it was a loser for last time buyers. 
> >
> > Matt

The bean counter story will probably never go away. Nor will the stories of aliens in Roswell.
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Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH [message #246660 is a reply to message #244913] Mon, 07 April 2014 13:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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They can call them anything they want....but take a SWAG what GM calls them.....right Chapter 4-1 of the parts manual refers to them as PARKING brakes. No where can I find GM referring to to them as EMERGENCY brakes.

And was it not the all knowing FEDS who forced Detroit to move the reverse gear position on the shifter of all automatics from all the way to the right and away from park and place it directly next to park because they thought your rug-rat running loose in the front seat would hit the lever and drop it into reverse going 60 mph down the super highway?

WildBill wrote on Mon, 24 March 2014 22:20

I'm really surprised... They refer to them as emergency brakes? Shocked
http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/administration/fmcsr/fmcsrruletext.aspx?reg=393.40

Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH [message #246674 is a reply to message #244713] Mon, 07 April 2014 14:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I like your choice of word even if not noticed at first...
Think of other spellings...

>..I know. The world is full of suers.


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Re: [GMCnet] Supplemental brake systems, kenH [message #246685 is a reply to message #245279] Mon, 07 April 2014 16:45 Go to previous message
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The difference is that the GM bean counter stories are true.

Bob de Kruyff wrote on Wed, 26 March 2014 21:35

mikethebike wrote on Wed, 26 March 2014 18:42

Same thing they did with the Olds diesel. We were going to buy a 1980 Caprice diesel until I talked with my wifes uncle who sold Buicks (300-600 per year and poor mouthed all the way to the bank) in Charleston and to Dan Perron who had been the top wrench at Hal Warren Chevy before quitting to race full time. Both said the $$$$ men didn't allow enough engineering to be done to make the 350 Olds a diesel According to them all they had was enough money to install the high compression heads and injection and get the thing past EPA. By 1982/3 the problems were corrected but the damage was done. My best friend overf the past 40 years had an 83 Eldorado diesel that he put 350,000 miles with no more than a fuel pump.


Matt Colie wrote on Wed, 26 March 2014 18:57

ljdavick wrote on Tue, 25 March 2014 21:35

<snip>
Of course there is the Vega...

Larry Davick

Larry,

You are only half right.

Most people don't know that the GM Bean counters killed the Vega by not letting the known issues be that were identified during the normal product validation be corrected as the vehicle was intended only as a price leader for first time buyers. The result was it was a loser for last time buyers.

Matt


The bean counter story will probably never go away. Nor will the stories of aliens in Roswell.

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