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[GMCnet] Trailer Hitch [message #112929] Mon, 24 January 2011 13:15 Go to next message
WILLIAM CASEY is currently offline  WILLIAM CASEY
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Coach currently has a bumper type hitch. I want to install a better hitch and am looking for some way to carry a 500# motorcycle on the rear using hitch and if needed more support. Looking to use a channel iron type carrier. Anyone out there done this??

Bill
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Re: [GMCnet] Trailer Hitch [message #112930 is a reply to message #112929] Mon, 24 January 2011 13:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi Bill, Here is what I did on my 23. This carries my DR650 probably 400 lbs
wet. I have a track that mounts to the rear and then some pullout pieces of
square tube to secure the handle bars with straps.

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=22753&title=tacked-up&cat=500

Thanks

Gary and Joanne Worobec
1973 GMC Glacier
Anza, CA



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> Coach currently has a bumper type hitch. I want to install a better hitch
> and am looking for some way to carry a 500# motorcycle on the rear using
> hitch and if needed more support. Looking to use a channel iron type
> carrier. Anyone out there done this??
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Re: [GMCnet] Trailer Hitch [message #112932 is a reply to message #112929] Mon, 24 January 2011 13:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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did you look here?
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and here
http://www.bdub.net/GMCSupplierLinks.html

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> Coach currently has a bumper type hitch. I want to install a better hitch
> and am looking for some way to carry a 500# motorcycle on the rear using
> hitch and if needed more support. Looking to use a channel iron type
> carrier. Anyone out there done this??
>
> Bill
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Re: [GMCnet] Trailer Hitch [message #112950 is a reply to message #112929] Mon, 24 January 2011 15:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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WILLIAM CASEY wrote on Mon, 24 January 2011 13:15

Coach currently has a bumper type hitch. I want to install a better hitch and am looking for some way to carry a 500# motorcycle on the rear using hitch and if needed more support. Looking to use a channel iron type carrier. Anyone out there done this??

Bill



Call this guy.
http://www.bdub.net/blainemerrell/index.html
He makes a through the bumper hitch which I have on my coach. On Blaine's receiver type hitch I carry a 450 pound Honda plus a 50 pound rack that I built. After driving many thousand miles on various trips I can say that I never know that the motorcycle is back there.


Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
Re: [GMCnet] Trailer Hitch [message #112980 is a reply to message #112929] Mon, 24 January 2011 17:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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When we got SunnyB she had a fabricated hitch beneath the bumper that dragged and hit most curbs and obstacles. We got Blaine's through the bumper hitch and we now tow a trailer with Dean's Ural GearUp (motorcycle with a sidecar) and extra "stuff". I have to remind myself that it's back there. When we aren't pulling the trailer and need more storage we have one of those bumper racks. We LOVE Blain's hitch. It was money well spent.

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Re: [GMCnet] Trailer Hitch [message #113020 is a reply to message #112929] Tue, 25 January 2011 00:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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WILLIAM CASEY wrote on Mon, 24 January 2011 11:15

Coach currently has a bumper type hitch. I want to install a better hitch and am looking for some way to carry a 500# motorcycle on the rear using hitch and if needed more support. Looking to use a channel iron type carrier. Anyone out there done this??

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I have the through the bumper hitch made for our coaches. I must say it fits like a glove. Nice job on the design. Cutting through the bumper was interesting. Not a job for a reciprocating saw. I used a angle grinder with a thin blade and that cut it easily. Tough stuff. If the rear drags, it is not the hitch.


'74 Eleganza, SE, Howell + EBL
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Re: [GMCnet] Trailer Hitch [message #113022 is a reply to message #113020] Tue, 25 January 2011 01:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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George Beckman wrote on Tue, 25 January 2011 00:51



I have the through the bumper hitch made for our coaches. I must say it fits like a glove. Nice job on the design. Cutting through the bumper was interesting. Not a job for a reciprocating saw. I used a angle grinder with a thin blade and that cut it easily. Tough stuff. If the rear drags, it is not the hitch.

I drilled two holes in each bumper half to make the corners round and then cut the bumper on a band saw. The whole cutting job took about 10 minutes. Removing the bumper took longer. I replaced all of the bolts with stainless ones while I had it off.



Ken Burton - N9KB
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Re: [GMCnet] Trailer Hitch [message #113122 is a reply to message #112929] Tue, 25 January 2011 21:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Bill,
Our HD hitc is a bolt on unit and capable of holding the load as long
as you do not extend the load too far from the bumper.
This can also effect the handling of the coach if load is extended to far.




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> Coach currently has a bumper type hitch. I want to install a better hitch and am looking for some way to carry a 500# motorcycle on the rear using hitch and if needed more support. Looking to use a channel iron type carrier. Anyone out there done this??
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Re: [GMCnet] Trailer Hitch [message #113137 is a reply to message #113122] Wed, 26 January 2011 07:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Can you send details on it. Bike will likely be 12-15" from rear on coachb.
Is thie OK.

Bill Casey
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> Bill,
> Our HD hitc is a bolt on unit and capable of holding the load as long
> as you do not extend the load too far from the bumper.
> This can also effect the handling of the coach if load is extended to far.
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 11:15 AM, WILLIAM CASEY <spdstr-AT-verizon-DOT-net>
> wrote:
>> Coach currently has a bumper type hitch. I want to install a better hitch
>> and am looking for some way to carry a 500# motorcycle on the rear using
>> hitch and if needed more support. Looking to use a channel iron type
>> carrier. Anyone out there done this??
>>
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Re: [GMCnet] Trailer Hitch [message #113141 is a reply to message #113137] Wed, 26 January 2011 07:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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>> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 11:15 AM, WILLIAM CASEY <spdstr-AT-verizon-DOT-net>
>> wrote:
>>> Coach currently has a bumper type hitch. I want to install a
>>> better hitch
>>> and am looking for some way to carry a 500# motorcycle on the rear
>>> using
>>> hitch and if needed more support. Looking to use a channel iron type
>>> carrier. Anyone out there done this??
>>> Bill

Check with Ken Burton. He carries his motorcycle on his rear bumper
hitch.

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Re: [GMCnet] Trailer Hitch [message #113158 is a reply to message #112932] Wed, 26 January 2011 09:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: [GMCnet] Trailer Hitch [message #113160 is a reply to message #113122] Wed, 26 January 2011 09:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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How much of a load will your HD hitch carry, asuming used without a spare tire in the way?

---- Jim Kanomata <jimkanomata-AT-gmail-DOT-com> wrote:
> Bill,
> Our HD hitc is a bolt on unit and capable of holding the load as long
> as you do not extend the load too far from the bumper.
> This can also effect the handling of the coach if load is extended to far.
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 11:15 AM, WILLIAM CASEY <spdstr-AT-verizon-DOT-net> wrote:
> > Coach currently has a bumper type hitch. I want to install a better hitch and am looking for some way to carry a 500# motorcycle on the rear using hitch and if needed more support. Looking to use a channel iron type carrier. Anyone out there done this??
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Re: [GMCnet] Trailer Hitch [message #113210 is a reply to message #113160] Wed, 26 January 2011 18:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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billearnhardt wrote on Wed, 26 January 2011 09:44

How much of a load will your HD hitch carry, asuming used without a spare tire in the way?



As I stated before, I carry a total of #500 on my Blaine Merrrell GMC hitch. I do not know what the maximum would be.

http://gmc.mybirdfeeder.net/GMCforum/index.php?t=tree&th=15442&start=0&rid=12

The hitch sticks out about 5" or or so from the bumper. My carrier is another 14" to 16" From the end of the receiver to the center of the motorcycle.

I keep the spare tire mounted in it's normal place. If fact two of the bolts that mount he spare tire carrier also mount the hitch. The hitch is bolted on in 3 places with a total of 10 bolts. the hitch comes with all of the requires bolts supplied in the kit.

Here is a pictures of the carrier I built. Unfortunately it was on the back of my Blazer when I took the pictures. At the time I did not see any reason to actually photograph GMC the hitch since it was the same as everyone else is using. I'll look around and see if I can find some pictures of the actual receiver hitch. There may be some in Dan Gregg's photo album sine he installed one on his coach a year or two ago.

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=26079&title=motorcycle-carrier&cat=500
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=26078&title=motorcycle-carrier&cat=500
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=26077&title=motorcycle-carrier&cat=500
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=26076&title=motorcycle-carrier&cat=500
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=26075&title=motorcycle-carrier&cat=500
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=26074&title=motorcycle-carrier&cat=500
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=26073&title=motorcycle-carrier&cat=500

You might notice that I used two bolts instead of a pin to hold the carrier inside of the receiver. If you are building the carrier yourself you might want to drill the holes for the pin one size under size and thread them to match two 5/8" grade 8 bolts. This secures the drawbar piece rigidly in place and reduces some wiggle.

This really was not necessary on mine because Blaine makes his GMC hitches with a special high tolerance ID tube that almost completely eliminates any rotational wiggle. It would be more important to do this if you buy a different brand of receiver like what is on my Blazer that is made from normal 2" ID butt welded tubing. I have a lot more rotational wiggle in my Blazer receiver than I have on my GMC hitch. This is just something to think about if you are building you own receiver or carrier.


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Re: [GMCnet] trailer hitch [message #197944 is a reply to message #112929] Sat, 09 February 2013 11:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ok, now I gotta ask this question...

I plan to install a through the bumper hitch. But all the
designs I've seen have a plate or such welded to the hitch.
This replaces the original plate at the center of the bumper halves
and is bolted to the bumpers.

My concern is, if somebody hits your bumper, the force will
be transmitted through the hitch directly to the frame.
Without the hitch, the shock absorbers would help absorb
the impact, hopefully saving the frame from damage.

Seems like a better design would have the hitch passing through
the center plate of the bumpers without being welded to it.

Thoughts?

thanks,
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Re: [GMCnet] trailer hitch [message #197948 is a reply to message #197944] Sat, 09 February 2013 12:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If they hit the bumper hard enough it will move until they get to the hitch with their front bumper beam anyway. The bigger hazard is the spare being rammed through the rear panel. That alone would total most coaches. I wouldn't worry too much about it.
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> Ok, now I gotta ask this question...
>
> I plan to install a through the bumper hitch. But all the
> designs I've seen have a plate or such welded to the hitch.
> This replaces the original plate at the center of the bumper halves
> and is bolted to the bumpers.
>
> My concern is, if somebody hits your bumper, the force will
> be transmitted through the hitch directly to the frame.
> Without the hitch, the shock absorbers would help absorb
> the impact, hopefully saving the frame from damage.
>
> Seems like a better design would have the hitch passing through
> the center plate of the bumpers without being welded to it.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> thanks,
> Karen
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Re: [GMCnet] trailer hitch [message #197993 is a reply to message #197944] Sat, 09 February 2013 20:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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KB wrote on Sat, 09 February 2013 09:35

...
My concern is, if somebody hits your bumper, the force will
be transmitted through the hitch directly to the frame.
Without the hitch, the shock absorbers would help absorb
the impact, hopefully saving the frame from damage.
...


Just something interesting related to this, 1978 coaches did not have bumper shock absorbers. They were replaced with solid brackets for the last model year.



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Re: [GMCnet] trailer hitch [message #198006 is a reply to message #197944] Sat, 09 February 2013 23:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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KB wrote on Sat, 09 February 2013 11:35

...My concern is, if somebody hits your bumper, the force will
be transmitted through the hitch directly to the frame.
Without the hitch, the shock absorbers would help absorb
the impact, hopefully saving the frame from damage.

Seems like a better design would have the hitch passing through
the center plate of the bumpers without being welded to it.



Having the end of the hitch unsupported would be a bad idea because of the long lever arm it would become. It would greatly decrease the tongue weight capability of the hitch. Further the rear cross member is a simple "C" channel about 3" tall with 1 1/2" legs...might be 11 gauge (1/8" but I don't think it is). C channels are very weak in twist and unless your hitch was bolted to the C, extended back to tie into the frame, and was really robust, it just wouldn't be much of a hitch.

My 'Henderson Hitch' bolts to the bumper via extended length carriage bolts and also to the rear cross member using extended bolts where the spare tire holder bolts on. Not that makes it any weaker than welding....just removable.

Short of an SUV or something larger, I'm not sure much of anything on the road these days would do much more than self compress upon striking the rear of the GMC unless they were really moving and you were stopped. There is more steel in the GMC bumpers than there is in half the unibodies of most the foreign cars imported. Laughing Laughing Laughing

Seriously, the 5mph bumpers things are a joke. You get hit, something is going to bend or buckle. How much is a function of how hard you get hit and how heavy they are. Physics.


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Re: [GMCnet] Trailer hitch [message #328175 is a reply to message #112929] Fri, 12 January 2018 14:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Tom. The stock bump offers very little support. If weigh is applied at the center. The bumper bracket that attaches the two bumper halves together will sag at some point. Plus I'm not up on the bumper shocks used on earlier years. The hitch load should only be applied to the frame. The bumper could be used as just another contact point for the transfer of vibration maybe. From what I see. A tow bar or dolly is more to this hitch's work load. Bob Dunahugh 78 Royale
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Re: [GMCnet] Trailer hitch [message #328177 is a reply to message #328175] Fri, 12 January 2018 16:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Is there or is there not more hitch material beyond what is visible ?

If there is a second bolting to the frame (2 more bolts connected to the
frame that we cannot see), tow anything. If what we see is the entire
system, you've only got a utility trailer hitch as there is no strength in
the bumper and the two bolt locations on the frame do not have the strength
for either tongue weight or the initial 'tug' to get 3000lbs moving.
Stopping will put more stress on the 2 bolts and eventually loosen them
until something tears out on the frame....

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On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 4:24 PM, Bob Dunahugh wrote:

> Tom. The stock bump offers very little support. If weigh is applied at
> the center. The bumper bracket that attaches the two bumper halves together
> will sag at some point. Plus I'm not up on the bumper shocks used on
> earlier years. The hitch load should only be applied to the frame. The
> bumper could be used as just another contact point for the transfer of
> vibration maybe. From what I see. A tow bar or dolly is more to this
> hitch's work load. Bob Dunahugh 78 Royale
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Re: [GMCnet] Trailer hitch [message #328178 is a reply to message #328177] Fri, 12 January 2018 16:46 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Jan 12, 2018, at 3:23 PM, Kingsley Coach wrote:
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> Is there or is there not more hitch material beyond what is visible ?
>
> If there is a second bolting to the frame (2 more bolts connected to the
> frame that we cannot see), tow anything. If what we see is the entire
> system, you've only got a utility trailer hitch as there is no strength in
> the bumper and the two bolt locations on the frame do not have the strength
> for either tongue weight or the initial 'tug' to get 3000lbs moving.
> Stopping will put more stress on the 2 bolts and eventually loosen them
> until something tears out on the frame....
>


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