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Wheel (tire) valve stems [message #370894] Sat, 24 December 2022 22:38 Go to next message
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In this recent cold snap, some of the tires deflated. When I reinflated, I could see small bubbles coming from below the oval plate at the base of one of the valve stems. I tightened up the nut at the base of the stem and that seemed to hold.

When I had the new tires mounted and balanced the tire place said it didn't have that "old" style of valve so they went ahead and mounted the tires with the old valves in place. During summer the pressures say reasonably even although I do check them before every trip. Every winter I get some tire pressure loss, but this year with the extra cold weather all but two of them deflated.

Can I get the old style of valve stem to suit these wheels?

TIA

Larry


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Re: Wheel (tire) valve stems [message #370898 is a reply to message #370894] Sun, 25 December 2022 07:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I replaced my car tires last Friday.It was a coldsnap here, below freezing for several days. Tires with 36 PSI a couple of weeks ago showed 29PSI in the cold. May be what you're seeing, but the bubbles indicate a loose stem.

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I replaced my car tires last Friday.It was a coldsnap here, below freezing for several days. Tires with 36 PSI a couple of weeks ago showed 29PSI in
the cold. May be what you're seeing, but the bubbles indicate a loose stem.

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Re: Wheel (tire) valve stems [message #370900 is a reply to message #370894] Sun, 25 December 2022 09:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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When it comes to valve stems, there are low pressure(usually popped in). And higher pressure stems. You need a stem that is rated to at least 80 psi. So some car tire shops do not have the higher psi stems handy.

Any truck shop should have proper stems. This is a simple part.

You probably will be ok long term with just making sure stems are tight.


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Re: Wheel (tire) valve stems [message #370901 is a reply to message #370894] Sun, 25 December 2022 09:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Could also be corrosion on the steel where the stem seats. Need to wire wheel and then paint the area with Rustolium or similar before installing new steel stem assembly.

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When it comes to valve stems, there are low pressure(usually popped in). And higher pressure stems. You need a stem that is rated to at least 80
psi. So some car tire shops do not have the higher psi stems handy.

Any truck shop should have proper stems. This is a simple part.

You probably will be ok long term with just making sure stems are tight.
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Could also be corrosion on the steel where the stem seats. Need to wire wheel and then paint the area with Rustolium or similar before installing new
steel stem assembly.
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[GMCnet] Re: Wheel (tire) valve stems [message #370904 is a reply to message #370903] Sun, 25 December 2022 12:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You can also swab some bead sealer onto the hole and/or stem to help seal minor leaks.

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> Could also be corrosion on the steel where the stem seats. Need to wire wheel and then paint the area with Rustolium or similar before installing new
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Re: [GMCnet] Re: Wheel (tire) valve stems [message #370905 is a reply to message #370904] Sun, 25 December 2022 14:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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That sounds like a plan - so just slop this stuff around the valve stem and that oval plate at the base of the valve, right?

This oval plate extends about 1/4" either side of the valve stem - all the replacement valves seem to be cylindrical. Were these oval plate style valves OEM on the coaches and is it necessary to use them or what? I'm presuming the wheel aperture for the valve is just a normal hole and not ovoid in any way so not sure why the valve would have these plates at the base other than to act as a "washer" presenting a flat surface for the locking nut to address the slight curvature of the rim. Can't see why else.

Larry


Dave Stragand wrote on Sun, 25 December 2022 10:28
You can also swab some bead sealer onto the hole and/or stem to help seal minor leaks.


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That sounds like a plan - so just slop this stuff around the valve stem and that oval plate at the base of the valve, right?

This oval plate extends about 1/4" either side of the valve stem - all the replacement valves seem to be cylindrical. Were these oval plate style
valves OEM on the coaches and is it necessary to use them or what? I'm presuming the wheel aperture for the valve is just a normal hole and not ovoid
in any way so not sure why the valve would have these plates at the base other than to act as a "washer" presenting a flat surface for the locking nut
to address the slight curvature of the rim. Can't see why else.

Larry


Dave Stragand wrote on Sun, 25 December 2022 10:28
> You can also swab some bead sealer onto the hole and/or stem to help seal minor leaks.


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Re: Wheel (tire) valve stems [message #370907 is a reply to message #370894] Sun, 25 December 2022 18:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Bead sealer over crusty rust is not a proper repair. Air will undermine and find a new path in short order.

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Bead sealer over crusty rust is not a proper repair. Air will undermine and find a new path in short order.
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Right, that’s true. It can help seal cleaned & rust-free but pitted metal on a wheel though. It also helped stop the oxidation of aluminum wheels at the bead we used to see so often when I worked at a Goodyear many years ago. More or less, it’s just black rubber cement and cleans up easily, but can work wonders on other older and finicky wheel and tire setups.

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Re: [GMCnet] Re: Wheel (tire) valve stems [message #370940 is a reply to message #370914] Wed, 28 December 2022 22:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The older 16" steel rims with the oval valve stem holes were originally built for tube type tires. Most are now being run tubeless with the newer oval type valve stems. I suspect the oval valve stems are not as common as they once were as tube type rims have been phased out 20 - 30 years ago and only dinosaurs like us are still using them.

If you tighten the nut on the outside of the wheel, they will probably hold fine, but it's probably a good idea to replace the stems with new ones with fresh rubber washers at some point.


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Re: [GMCnet] Re: Wheel (tire) valve stems [message #370942 is a reply to message #370940] Thu, 29 December 2022 11:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Carl S. wrote on Wed, 28 December 2022 20:37
The older 16" steel rims with the oval valve stem holes were originally built for tube type tires. Most are now being run tubeless with the newer oval type valve stems. I suspect the oval valve stems are not as common as they once were as tube type rims have been phased out 20 - 30 years ago and only dinosaurs like us are still using them.

If you tighten the nut on the outside of the wheel, they will probably hold fine, but it's probably a good idea to replace the stems with new ones with fresh rubber washers at some point.
Will do - Not sure where to buy new ones tho! I already tightened things up a bit using pliers but plan to re-check with a deep socket next time I swing by. For the moment pressures are holding as temps have gone back to something like normal, ~ 40°-45°F.

Last week on Vancouver Island the arctic blast took things down to 10°F Rolling Eyes

Thanks

Larry


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Re: [GMCnet] Re: Wheel (tire) valve stems [message #370943 is a reply to message #370942] Thu, 29 December 2022 13:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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boybach wrote on Thu, 29 December 2022 11:13
Carl S. wrote on Wed, 28 December 2022 20:37
The older 16" steel rims with the oval valve stem holes were originally built for tube type tires. Most are now being run tubeless with the newer oval type valve stems. I suspect the oval valve stems are not as common as they once were as tube type rims have been phased out 20 - 30 years ago and only dinosaurs like us are still using them.

If you tighten the nut on the outside of the wheel, they will probably hold fine, but it's probably a good idea to replace the stems with new ones with fresh rubber washers at some point.
Will do - Not sure where to buy new ones tho! I already tightened things up a bit using pliers but plan to re-check with a deep socket next time I swing by. For the moment pressures are holding as temps have gone back to something like normal, ~ 40°-45°F.

Last week on Vancouver Island the arctic blast took things down to 10°F Rolling Eyes

Thanks

Larry
Most tire stores and amazon or ebay.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0921XYRC9/ref=redir_mobile_desktop?_encoding=UTF8&aaxitk=107edab1a12119e80241bb3a97551744&content-id=amzn1.sym.552b cbb2-81a1-4e8b-b868-3fba7d5af42a%3Aamzn1.sym.552bcbb2-81a1-4e8b-b868-3fba7d5af42a&hsa_cr_id=3732461540201&pd_rd_plhdr=t&pd_rd_r=faa58c5f-3 477-4a2a-b9ff-00662c266d98&pd_rd_w=wCFRa&pd_rd_wg=ITS2a&qid=1672343313&ref_=sbx_be_s_sparkle_mcd_asin_0_title&sr=1-1-9e67e56a-6f64 -441f-a281-df67fc737124&th=1


I bought mine at an auto parts store about 10 years ago.




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Re: [GMCnet] Re: Wheel (tire) valve stems [message #370944 is a reply to message #370943] Thu, 29 December 2022 18:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ken Burton wrote on Thu, 29 December 2022 11:57



I bought mine at an auto parts store about 10 years ago.




Ones with an Oval base plate? I saw the round ones you linked to and they're easy to find but not seeing the type I have?

Larry


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https://www.amazon.com/Milton-476-Oval-Tubeless-Valve/dp/B001O2ZTSQ/ref=sr_1_28?crid=K8HJBK8VTV5K&keywords=oval+valve+stems+for+tube+type+wheels&a mp;qid=1672365289&s=automotive&sprefix=oval+valve+stems+for+tube+type+wheels%2Cautomotive%2C199&sr=1-28

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boybach wrote on Thu, 29 December 2022 19:45

Ones with an Oval base plate? I saw the round ones you linked to and they're easy to find but not seeing the type I have?
Larry
Larry,
I bought some when I was collection 16" wheels at one point. I may still have some in a box in my barn. If you are unsuccessful getting them, get back to me and I will hunt for what I think I still have. Getting them to Canada may be another issue.
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Carl S. wrote on Thu, 29 December 2022 17:55
https://www.amazon.com/Milton-476-Oval-Tubeless-Valve/dp/B001O2ZTSQ/ref=sr_1_28?crid=K8HJBK8VTV5K&keywords=oval+valve+stems+for+tube+type+wheels&a mp;a mp;qid=1672365289&s=automotive&sprefix=oval+valve+stems+for+tube+type+wheels%2Cautomotive%2C199&sr=1-28
Thanks a lot Carl, exactly what I need and even cheaper on amazon.ca too bad they come in 5's tho LOL

https://www.amazon.ca/Milton-476-Oval-Tubeless-Valve/dp/B001O2ZTSQ/ref=sr_1_28?crid=K8HJBK8VTV5K&keywords=oval+valve+stems+for+tube+type+wheels&am p;qid=1672365289&s=automotive&sprefix=oval+valve+stems+for+tube+type+wheels%2Cautomotive%2C199&sr=1-28

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