| Re: [GMCnet] Transporting LP Gas [message #155305 is a reply to message #155299] |
Tue, 03 January 2012 19:52   |
Dolph Santorine
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Location: Wheeling, WV
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Hmmm... no CNG cars, eh?
Why don't they just ban flammable liquids?
On Jan 3, 2012, at 8:22 PM, Rob Mueller wrote:
> Rick,
>
> Man you're like a dog with a bone ain't cha!
>
> Let's review the situation again:
>
> JP turns up at the Holland Tunnel and is NOT allowed to drive his GMC through the tunnel because it has LPG on board.
>
> I do the research below and spot the bit about the MOT which contradicts what happened to JP so I call the Holland Tunnel Authority
> who inform me RV's with LPG are not allowed in the tunnel
>
> I just called the Holland Tunnel AGAIN on 201-360-5000 and spoke to Nick who advised "NO Flammable gasses of any kind are allowed in
> the tunnel."
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> With all due respect why don't YOU call and see what they say!
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Michelhaugh
>
>
> Unless the PORT AUTH specifically prohibits LPG somewhere that we have not found, YES, a 20# propane cylinder would meet the
> Material of Trade exception.
>
> Rick M.
>
> Robert Mueller wrote on Tue, 03 January 2012 10:03
>> Rick,
>>
>> Click on Red Book and scroll until you come to page 13 where you will find:
>>
>> Class 2, Division 2.1 Placard
>> Flammable Gases
>>
>> PROHIBITED *
>> ANY QUANTITY
>> Holland Tunnel
>> Lincoln Tunnel
>> George Washington Bridge (Lower Level)
>>
>> You will also find:
>>
>> *Materials of Trade in
>> this Division are allowed.
>> See the definition of
>> Materials of Trade for
>> the quantity limitations.
>>
>> I scrolled to page 33 and found:
>>
>> MATERIALS OF TRADE (MOTs) shall mean hazardous materials transported in
>> small quantities as part of a business and subject to less regulation under Code of
>> Federal Regulations (CFR) 173.6 because of their lesser hazards.
>> MATERIALS OF TRADE QUANTITY LIMITS:
>>
>> Division 2.1 or 2.2
>> DOES A CAMPER/RV MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR M.O.T
>> . Not over 100 kg (220 pounds) in a cylinder, or
>> . Not more than 70 gallon water capacity for a non-liquefied Division 2.2 material
>> with no subsidiary hazard in a permanently mounted tank manufactured to the
>> ASME Code.
>>
>> This says RV's with LPG tanks are OK which contradicted what JP Winger had told us so I called:
>>
>> Holland Tunnel
>> Administration Building
>> 13th and Provost Streets
>> Jersey City, New Jersey 07310
>> Communications Center Telephone
>> New Jersey (201) 360-5000
>> New York (212) 435-7000
>>
>> I was informed that LPG IS NOT ALLOWED in the Holland Tunnel, Lincoln Tunnel, or the lower level of the George Washington Bridge.
>>
>> I then went to the home page and scrolled down to the bottom of the page where I found a link to "Contact Us." I clicked on that
>> link which took me to a form where I noted that the Red Book revised March 2009 was incorrect. I received an automated reply
> noting
>> that my message had been received and I would receive a response shortly. That was two weeks ago.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Rob M.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Richard Michelhaugh
>>
>>
>> Here is the website I saw:
>> http://www.panynj.gov/bridges-tunnels/holland-tunnel-traffic-restrictions.html
>>
>> I didn't see anything about RVs here.
>>
>> Rick M.
>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Transporting LP Gas [message #155319 is a reply to message #155311] |
Tue, 03 January 2012 22:51 |
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USAussie
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Location: Sydney, Australia
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Bob,
I admit that I'm a pedantic bastard that's for sure! ;-)
I was raised in Hoboken, NJ and have been back "home" once with the GMC already. During that visit I contemplated taking the GMC to
visit a cousin that lives in NYC. We decided against it and stayed at the Liberty Harbor RV Park.
http://www.libertyharborrv.com/directions
You'll have to arrow up to see the route noted below. We came down the Lincoln Highway and then onto (139) to where we turned right
onto Marin Blvd. At the corner of 139 and Marin you are within a stones throw of the entrance / toll gates for the Holland Tunnel.
We arrived at rush hour and the traffic was a MADHOUSE I was happy that we weren't heading to New York!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:HollandTunnelJerseyCity.jpg
When JP reported that he was not allowed to go through the tunnel I wondered how much of a hassle it would have been if we had tried
to use the tunnel based on the information published in the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey Red Book only to be refused
entry and turned around.
Regards,
Rob M.
-----Original Message-----
From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Bob de Kruyff
Sent: Wednesday, 4 January 2012 1:49 PM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Transporting LP Gas
How many people arguing about this will ever take their GMC though the Holland tunnel???
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Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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Regards,
Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
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