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Re: Jim and Marlys Coach Pictures [message #82867 is a reply to message #82683] Sun, 02 May 2010 23:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Harry is currently offline  Harry   Canada
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Riddle me this....while driving, is there any chance that a vacuum is created, causing the flame to burn higher or for the heat created to increase in that area? Sort of a siphoning action?
Re: [GMCnet] Jim and Marlys Coach Pictures [message #82875 is a reply to message #82794] Mon, 03 May 2010 03:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mr ERFisher is currently offline  Mr ERFisher   United States
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I have not read anything to indicate propane had any part in this.

everyone I know runs with the propane on all of the time

gene



On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Randy <Acrosport2@hotmail.com> wrote:

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>
> At the risk of sounding accusatory (and I want to avoid that at all cost)
> is the lesson to be learned from this fire to make sure that the propane
> valve is off when driving? Is this a discipline that we have to develop as
> an owners group, keeping these sobering pictures in mind?
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Re: [GMCnet] Jim and Marlys Coach Pictures [message #82878 is a reply to message #82875] Mon, 03 May 2010 07:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Steven Ferguson is currently offline  Steven Ferguson   United States
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And that would include me Gene. I never shut off the propane unless
I'm filling the tank. That includes when it is parked in the shop.
If you have a propane issue, I think it would be bad to discover it
while driving. I use propane for rapid cool down prior to using the
fridge, then switch to AC when parked.
At less than 2PSI line pressure, it's a heckuva lot safer than that
50 gallons of fuel you're pumping at 6-7 PSI though countless feet of
old rubber and steel fuel lines.

On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 1:49 AM, Mr.erf ERFisher <mr.erfisher@gmail.com> wrote:
I have not read anything to indicate propane had any part in this.
everyone I know runs with the propane on all of the time

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Re: [GMCnet] Jim and Marlys Coach Pictures [message #82879 is a reply to message #82683] Mon, 03 May 2010 07:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Steven Ferguson is currently offline  Steven Ferguson   United States
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Mac,
I'm not seeing those photos. I'm looking at photos of someone's late
'73 lower control arms, CV joints and bearings.

On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 8:03 AM, Richard MacDonald <rm1936@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Marlys requested we post the location of the pictures which Dan Gregg kindly added to the gmcmhphotos page.
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/
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Re: [GMCnet] Jim and Marlys Coach Pictures [message #82881 is a reply to message #82879] Mon, 03 May 2010 07:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
peter bailey is currently offline  peter bailey   United States
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Need to click on 7days search at the bottom to find the pictures previously
loaded a couple of days ago.
Peter Bailey
from Ozy (Aussie)
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> Mac,
> I'm not seeing those photos. I'm looking at photos of someone's late
> '73 lower control arms, CV joints and bearings.
>
> On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 8:03 AM, Richard MacDonald <rm1936@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Marlys requested we post the location of the pictures which Dan Gregg
>> kindly added to the gmcmhphotos page.
>>
>> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/
>>
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>> Punta Gorda, Florida
>> 76 Edgemonte
>> 94 K2500 6.5 Turbo Diesel Silverado
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Re: Jim and Marlys Coach Pictures new link [message #82885 is a reply to message #82683] Mon, 03 May 2010 07:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=33573&title=12307-1403337199970-1128566192-1226167-523667-n&cat=5454


Fred V
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P'cola, Fl
Re: [GMCnet] Jim and Marlys Coach Pictures new link [message #82887 is a reply to message #82885] Mon, 03 May 2010 07:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks Fred and Peter.

On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 5:54 AM, fred veenschoten <fredntoni@cox.net> wrote:
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> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=33573&title=12307-1403337199970-1128566192-1226167-523667-n&cat=5454
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Re: [GMCnet] Jim and Marlys Coach Pictures new link [message #82888 is a reply to message #82885] Mon, 03 May 2010 07:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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WOW, makes me ill just looking at it......so sad ! Happy no one was injured, but still a very sickening sight.

Ray


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Re: [GMCnet] Propane safety was Jim and Marlys Coach Pictures [message #82958 is a reply to message #82820] Mon, 03 May 2010 20:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On May 2, 2010, at 6:19 PM, Rob Mueller wrote:

> G'day,
>
> I agree with Emery.
>
> I have a 2 way (120 VAC & LPG) Dometic fridge in Double Trouble. I just
> checked the Camping World website and it is still available. I then checked
> the on line manual for it and it does not say to turn it and the LPG off
> when the vehicle is underway. Furthermore considering today's litigious
> society I can't understand why a company would make a 2 way fridge if
> driving it with it running and the LPG on was dangerous.
>
> When I was getting Double Trouble ready for our first tour at Ken Frey's
> shop I inspected all the lines carefully for signs of chafing, stress at the
> bends, and cracks. I disassembled the flared joints, slid the nuts up the
> line, and checked the start of the flair at the line. When I re-assembled
> the lines I was careful not to over-tighten the flare nuts. IIRC the rule of
> thumb is finger tight plus 1/4 turn (or is 1/8 turn - you better look that
> up)! I then leak checked the entire system with bubble soap. I checked the
> LPG system again last year (didn't disassemble the flares) when I got Double
> Trouble ready for our tour and will continue to do so each year.



Here is a bit more information on propane:

Propane is a relatively safe product. Like gasoline, propane is flammable, but has a much narrower range of flammability than gasoline and much higher ignition temperature 920- 1020 degrees vs. 80- 300 degrees for gasoline. Propane will only burn with a fuel-to-air ratio of between 2.2% and 9.6% and will rapidly dissipate beyond its flammability range in the open atmosphere-making ignition unlikely. Propane, unlike gasoline, is heavier than air and in the event of a leak it will flow downward rather than up toward a ingntion source.

The ignition temperature is the temperature at which a fuel will ignite without the need for a spark or flame.

Propane has the lowest flammability range of any of the commonly available fuels. The flammability range is the percentage of propane in air from the lowest to the highest that will burn.

Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Santa Fe, NM


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Re: [GMCnet] Propane safety was Jim and Marlys Coach Pictures [message #83454 is a reply to message #82820] Fri, 07 May 2010 09:59 Go to previous message
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On May 2, 2010, at 6:19 PM, Rob Mueller wrote:

> G'day,
>
> I agree with Emery.
>
> I have a 2 way (120 VAC & LPG) Dometic fridge in Double Trouble. I just
> checked the Camping World website and it is still available. I then checked
> the on line manual for it and it does not say to turn it and the LPG off
> when the vehicle is underway. Furthermore considering today's litigious
> society I can't understand why a company would make a 2 way fridge if
> driving it with it running and the LPG on was dangerous.
>
> When I was getting Double Trouble ready for our first tour at Ken Frey's
> shop I inspected all the lines carefully for signs of chafing, stress at the
> bends, and cracks. I disassembled the flared joints, slid the nuts up the
> line, and checked the start of the flair at the line. When I re-assembled
> the lines I was careful not to over-tighten the flare nuts. IIRC the rule of
> thumb is finger tight plus 1/4 turn (or is 1/8 turn - you better look that
> up)! I then leak checked the entire system with bubble soap. I checked the
> LPG system again last year (didn't disassemble the flares) when I got Double
> Trouble ready for our tour and will continue to do so each year.



Here is a bit more information on propane:

Propane is a relatively safe product. Like gasoline, propane is flammable, but has a much narrower range of flammability than gasoline and much higher ignition temperature 920- 1020 degrees vs. 80- 300 degrees for gasoline. Propane will only burn with a fuel-to-air ratio of between 2.2% and 9.6% and will rapidly dissipate beyond its flammability range in the open atmosphere-making ignition unlikely. Propane, unlike gasoline, is heavier than air and in the event of a leak it will flow downward rather than up toward a ingntion source.

The ignition temperature is the temperature at which a fuel will ignite without the need for a spark or flame.

Propane has the lowest flammability range of any of the commonly available fuels. The flammability range is the percentage of propane in air from the lowest to the highest that will burn.

Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Santa Fe, NM


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