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| Re: [GMCnet] Dynamic wheel balancers [message #352526 is a reply to message #352523] |
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RF_Burns
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Randy,
The only post I see is the "corrected web page", so I'm not sure if this is an instance of where emails don't get posted on the forum page.
Anyway, last summer I looked into these since it seems tire shops are incapable of properly balancing tires these days. Do a search on "Centramatic" from the forum page, or look back to mid august last year in your GMC list emails for the threads.
Turned out one of the Centramatic guys had a GMC and built a number of sets that clipped inside of the OEM 16.5" rims for the GMC.
FYI, I ended up going with Airsoft beads because of cost.
Bruce Hislop
ON Canada
77PB, 455 Dick P. rebuilt, DynamicEFI EBL EFI & ESC.
1 ton front end
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=29001
My Staff says I never listen to them, or something like that
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| Re: [GMCnet] Dynamic wheel balancers [message #352529 is a reply to message #352526] |
Mon, 02 March 2020 10:27 |
jimk
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We have heard of these various units for many years and never had anyone
mention how good they are.
Few month ago Tom Hampton of Grand View GMC mentioned that he has tried
several of them and finally found a simple but effective unit. It is a
silicon bead that come in a thin pack and installed after the tire is
balanced.
As the tire rolls the pack breaks and the beads o to the area needed.
In the past, the material used would ball up and not work due to
moisture,etc.
We have sold many and have recommended to lot of people with all positive
results.
Should anyone want to discuss , give me a call.
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 6:24 AM Bruce Hislop via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> Randy,
> The only post I see is the "corrected web page", so I'm not sure if this
> is an instance of where emails don't get posted on the forum page.
>
> Anyway, last summer I looked into these since it seems tire shops are
> incapable of properly balancing tires these days. Do a search on
> "Centramatic"
> from the forum page, or look back to mid august last year in your GMC list
> emails for the threads.
>
> Turned out one of the Centramatic guys had a GMC and built a number of
> sets that clipped inside of the OEM 16.5" rims for the GMC.
>
> FYI, I ended up going with Airsoft beads because of cost.
> --
> Bruce Hislop
> ON Canada
> 77PB, 455 Dick P. rebuilt, DynamicEFI EBL EFI & ESC.1 ton front end
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=29001
> My Staff says I never listen to them, or something like that
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| Re: [GMCnet] Dynamic wheel balancers [message #352541 is a reply to message #352523] |
Tue, 03 March 2020 07:43 |
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RF_Burns
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Seems like Randy's emails to the list are not posting. Here is his followup which he emailed to me as well.
Sorry folks, my first email didn't post.
I was asking what any thought of these dynamic wheel balancers and did anyone have experience with them. I like simple solutions that work across things that have to be changed now and then. I understand these are priced up there, I think this set is about $200 for two wheels, making it about $600 for all six wheels. Which if getting tires balanced correctly is a issue, these may do the job when when the tires are balanced as best some places can. I'm not sure is why I am reaching out.
Thanks, all of your input is well appreciated as I work to get my coach up and traveling this year.
Randy
Randy, Here is the thread I started last August on the subject. They seem to work, but the consensus on the Forum is to us 4 Oz of Airsoft plastic BB balls in each tire. A bottle of them is under 10.00 at Walmart. Except for a bit of vibration while accelerating through 35-40mph they work great for me.
http://gmc.mybirdfeeder.net/GMCforum/index.php?t=msg&th=42729&goto=346224&rid=1480#msg_346224
My followup post with airsoft BB's
http://gmc.mybirdfeeder.net/GMCforum/index.php?t=msg&th=42759&goto=346457&rid=1480#msg_346457
Bruce Hislop
ON Canada
77PB, 455 Dick P. rebuilt, DynamicEFI EBL EFI & ESC.
1 ton front end
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=29001
My Staff says I never listen to them, or something like that
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| Re: [GMCnet] Dynamic wheel balancers [message #352545 is a reply to message #352541] |
Tue, 03 March 2020 12:15 |
powwerjon
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Registered: March 2013
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To All,
We bought our first GMC in August of 1998. It came Goodyear G169 225 75R
16.5 LRE tires on steel rims. Those were all steel tires and along with
the steel rims it was not a good ride or steer. First change was to a set
of Alcoa Classic rims and put a set of Firestone RTS 225 75R 16 LRE tires.
Tire construction was a steel tread with poly side walls which most
including myself consider the best combination to run and I have run every
possible tire combination out there, all steel, poly in front and steel in
back and all poly tires. That coach-tire combination was a dream to
drive. The one thing that I have never had was a problem was balancing
tires on the coach.
Now this is a "personal opinion" or as most would say IMHO! I only have
purchased tires such as Firestone, Goodyear, BF Goodrich and Michelin (All
LRE range tires, your fooling yourself in buying LRD tires). I only buy
tires that have a similar build date and are fresh from the manufacturer.
The last few sets have been purchased from Discount Tire. Up until last
year I was driving 10K+ miles each year for the past 10 years. Before 2007
we were a 3K +/- mile a year. The drop is because we stopped driving the
coach FL till 2009 and out to AZ and back each winter.
Over the years I have seen on this site the large number of brands of tires
that you out there have purchased and used. Now most of you are low
mileage per year users of your coach and your tires age out before the
tread does. I can see that SOB tires serve you well for the miles that you
drive and some have gotten excellent service for greater miles. Everyone
has their personal choice or price range!
Let's get to tire balance. All of the national tire selling chains have
the correct balancer to correctly do the tire and the tech may be less
talented. Smaller tire shops are at times not as well equiped with the
newer stuff. The balancing beads works well in most applications and 4 OZ
of beads seems to work best. The Walmart sold Airsoft
beads seems to work as well as the high dollar beads sold at the tire
stores. The bottom line here is iif the tire shop can't balance the tire
correctly then ask for a new tire or go someplace that will sell you the
tire of your choice balanced correctly.
Again that is IMHO on tires and yours could or may vary!
J.R. Wright
GMC Great Laker
GMCGL Tech Editor
GMC Eastern States
GMCMHI
TZE Zone Restorations
78 Buskirk Custom 29.5' Stretch
75 Avion (Under going Frame up Restoration)
On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 6:44 AM Bruce Hislop via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> Seems like Randy's emails to the list are not posting. Here is his
> followup which he emailed to me as well.
>
> Sorry folks, my first email didn't post.
> I was asking what any thought of these dynamic wheel balancers and did
> anyone have experience with them. I like simple solutions that work across
> things that have to be changed now and then. I understand these are priced
> up there, I think this set is about $200 for two wheels, making it about
> $600 for all six wheels. Which if getting tires balanced correctly is a
> issue, these may do the job when when the tires are balanced as best some
> places can. I'm not sure is why I am reaching out.
> Thanks, all of your input is well appreciated as I work to get my coach up
> and traveling this year.
> Randy
>
> Randy, Here is the thread I started last August on the subject. They seem
> to work, but the consensus on the Forum is to us 4 Oz of Airsoft plastic BB
> balls in each tire. A bottle of them is under 10.00 at Walmart. Except
> for a bit of vibration while accelerating through 35-40mph they work great
> for me.
>
>
> http://gmc.mybirdfeeder.net/GMCforum/index.php?t=msg&th=42729&goto=346224&rid=1480#msg_346224
>
> My followup post with airsoft BB's
>
> http://gmc.mybirdfeeder.net/GMCforum/index.php?t=msg&th=42759&goto=346457&rid=1480#msg_346457
> --
> Bruce Hislop
> ON Canada
> 77PB, 455 Dick P. rebuilt, DynamicEFI EBL EFI & ESC.1 ton front end
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=29001
> My Staff says I never listen to them, or something like that
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Dynamic wheel balancers [message #352546 is a reply to message #352545] |
Tue, 03 March 2020 12:18 |
powwerjon
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One more item, the Centramatic wheel balance rings run right at $200 +/- ,
a good tire is cheaper.
J.R. Wright
GMC Great Laker
GMCGL Tech Editor
GMC Eastern States
GMCMHI
TZE Zone Restorations
78 Buskirk Custom 29.5' Stretch
75 Avion (Under going Frame up Restoration)
On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 11:15 AM John Wright wrote:
> To All,
> We bought our first GMC in August of 1998. It came Goodyear G169 225 75R
> 16.5 LRE tires on steel rims. Those were all steel tires and along with
> the steel rims it was not a good ride or steer. First change was to a set
> of Alcoa Classic rims and put a set of Firestone RTS 225 75R 16 LRE tires.
> Tire construction was a steel tread with poly side walls which most
> including myself consider the best combination to run and I have run every
> possible tire combination out there, all steel, poly in front and steel in
> back and all poly tires. That coach-tire combination was a dream to
> drive. The one thing that I have never had was a problem was balancing
> tires on the coach.
>
> Now this is a "personal opinion" or as most would say IMHO! I only have
> purchased tires such as Firestone, Goodyear, BF Goodrich and Michelin (All
> LRE range tires, your fooling yourself in buying LRD tires). I only buy
> tires that have a similar build date and are fresh from the manufacturer.
> The last few sets have been purchased from Discount Tire. Up until last
> year I was driving 10K+ miles each year for the past 10 years. Before 2007
> we were a 3K +/- mile a year. The drop is because we stopped driving the
> coach FL till 2009 and out to AZ and back each winter.
>
> Over the years I have seen on this site the large number of brands of
> tires that you out there have purchased and used. Now most of you are low
> mileage per year users of your coach and your tires age out before the
> tread does. I can see that SOB tires serve you well for the miles that you
> drive and some have gotten excellent service for greater miles. Everyone
> has their personal choice or price range!
>
> Let's get to tire balance. All of the national tire selling chains have
> the correct balancer to correctly do the tire and the tech may be less
> talented. Smaller tire shops are at times not as well equiped with the
> newer stuff. The balancing beads works well in most applications and 4 OZ
> of beads seems to work best. The Walmart sold Airsoft
> beads seems to work as well as the high dollar beads sold at the tire
> stores. The bottom line here is iif the tire shop can't balance the tire
> correctly then ask for a new tire or go someplace that will sell you the
> tire of your choice balanced correctly.
>
> Again that is IMHO on tires and yours could or may vary!
>
> J.R. Wright
> GMC Great Laker
> GMCGL Tech Editor
> GMC Eastern States
> GMCMHI
> TZE Zone Restorations
> 78 Buskirk Custom 29.5' Stretch
> 75 Avion (Under going Frame up Restoration)
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 6:44 AM Bruce Hislop via Gmclist gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Seems like Randy's emails to the list are not posting. Here is his
>> followup which he emailed to me as well.
>>
>> Sorry folks, my first email didn't post.
>> I was asking what any thought of these dynamic wheel balancers and did
>> anyone have experience with them. I like simple solutions that work across
>> things that have to be changed now and then. I understand these are
>> priced up there, I think this set is about $200 for two wheels, making it
>> about
>> $600 for all six wheels. Which if getting tires balanced correctly is a
>> issue, these may do the job when when the tires are balanced as best some
>> places can. I'm not sure is why I am reaching out.
>> Thanks, all of your input is well appreciated as I work to get my coach
>> up and traveling this year.
>> Randy
>>
>> Randy, Here is the thread I started last August on the subject. They
>> seem to work, but the consensus on the Forum is to us 4 Oz of Airsoft
>> plastic BB
>> balls in each tire. A bottle of them is under 10.00 at Walmart. Except
>> for a bit of vibration while accelerating through 35-40mph they work great
>> for me.
>>
>>
>> http://gmc.mybirdfeeder.net/GMCforum/index.php?t=msg&th=42729&goto=346224&rid=1480#msg_346224
>>
>> My followup post with airsoft BB's
>>
>> http://gmc.mybirdfeeder.net/GMCforum/index.php?t=msg&th=42759&goto=346457&rid=1480#msg_346457
>> --
>> Bruce Hislop
>> ON Canada
>> 77PB, 455 Dick P. rebuilt, DynamicEFI EBL EFI & ESC.1 ton front end
>> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=29001
>> My Staff says I never listen to them, or something like that
>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Dynamic wheel balancers [message #352552 is a reply to message #352546] |
Tue, 03 March 2020 18:59 |
Randy Hecht
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Thank all of you for your advise and experience. The beads and good tires it is for me.
Chaplain Randy Hecht
Roswell, GA
Chaplains are ready to Listen when you're ready to talk.
1974 Canyon Lakes GMC the Unicorn Express
80mm Front Disc and a work in progress
> On Mar 3, 2020, at 13:19, John Wright via Gmclist wrote:
>
> One more item, the Centramatic wheel balance rings run right at $200 +/- ,
> a good tire is cheaper.
>
> J.R. Wright
> GMC Great Laker
> GMCGL Tech Editor
> GMC Eastern States
> GMCMHI
> TZE Zone Restorations
> 78 Buskirk Custom 29.5' Stretch
> 75 Avion (Under going Frame up Restoration)
>
>
>
>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 11:15 AM John Wright wrote:
>>
>> To All,
>> We bought our first GMC in August of 1998. It came Goodyear G169 225 75R
>> 16.5 LRE tires on steel rims. Those were all steel tires and along with
>> the steel rims it was not a good ride or steer. First change was to a set
>> of Alcoa Classic rims and put a set of Firestone RTS 225 75R 16 LRE tires.
>> Tire construction was a steel tread with poly side walls which most
>> including myself consider the best combination to run and I have run every
>> possible tire combination out there, all steel, poly in front and steel in
>> back and all poly tires. That coach-tire combination was a dream to
>> drive. The one thing that I have never had was a problem was balancing
>> tires on the coach.
>>
>> Now this is a "personal opinion" or as most would say IMHO! I only have
>> purchased tires such as Firestone, Goodyear, BF Goodrich and Michelin (All
>> LRE range tires, your fooling yourself in buying LRD tires). I only buy
>> tires that have a similar build date and are fresh from the manufacturer.
>> The last few sets have been purchased from Discount Tire. Up until last
>> year I was driving 10K+ miles each year for the past 10 years. Before 2007
>> we were a 3K +/- mile a year. The drop is because we stopped driving the
>> coach FL till 2009 and out to AZ and back each winter.
>>
>> Over the years I have seen on this site the large number of brands of
>> tires that you out there have purchased and used. Now most of you are low
>> mileage per year users of your coach and your tires age out before the
>> tread does. I can see that SOB tires serve you well for the miles that you
>> drive and some have gotten excellent service for greater miles. Everyone
>> has their personal choice or price range!
>>
>> Let's get to tire balance. All of the national tire selling chains have
>> the correct balancer to correctly do the tire and the tech may be less
>> talented. Smaller tire shops are at times not as well equiped with the
>> newer stuff. The balancing beads works well in most applications and 4 OZ
>> of beads seems to work best. The Walmart sold Airsoft
>> beads seems to work as well as the high dollar beads sold at the tire
>> stores. The bottom line here is iif the tire shop can't balance the tire
>> correctly then ask for a new tire or go someplace that will sell you the
>> tire of your choice balanced correctly.
>>
>> Again that is IMHO on tires and yours could or may vary!
>>
>> J.R. Wright
>> GMC Great Laker
>> GMCGL Tech Editor
>> GMC Eastern States
>> GMCMHI
>> TZE Zone Restorations
>> 78 Buskirk Custom 29.5' Stretch
>> 75 Avion (Under going Frame up Restoration)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 6:44 AM Bruce Hislop via Gmclist > gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Seems like Randy's emails to the list are not posting. Here is his
>>> followup which he emailed to me as well.
>>>
>>> Sorry folks, my first email didn't post.
>>> I was asking what any thought of these dynamic wheel balancers and did
>>> anyone have experience with them. I like simple solutions that work across
>>> things that have to be changed now and then. I understand these are
>>> priced up there, I think this set is about $200 for two wheels, making it
>>> about
>>> $600 for all six wheels. Which if getting tires balanced correctly is a
>>> issue, these may do the job when when the tires are balanced as best some
>>> places can. I'm not sure is why I am reaching out.
>>> Thanks, all of your input is well appreciated as I work to get my coach
>>> up and traveling this year.
>>> Randy
>>>
>>> Randy, Here is the thread I started last August on the subject. They
>>> seem to work, but the consensus on the Forum is to us 4 Oz of Airsoft
>>> plastic BB
>>> balls in each tire. A bottle of them is under 10.00 at Walmart. Except
>>> for a bit of vibration while accelerating through 35-40mph they work great
>>> for me.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://gmc.mybirdfeeder.net/GMCforum/index.php?t=msg&th=42729&goto=346224&rid=1480#msg_346224
>>>
>>> My followup post with airsoft BB's
>>>
>>> http://gmc.mybirdfeeder.net/GMCforum/index.php?t=msg&th=42759&goto=346457&rid=1480#msg_346457
>>> --
>>> Bruce Hislop
>>> ON Canada
>>> 77PB, 455 Dick P. rebuilt, DynamicEFI EBL EFI & ESC.1 ton front end
>>> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=29001
>>> My Staff says I never listen to them, or something like that
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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| Re: [GMCnet] Dynamic wheel balancers [message #352553 is a reply to message #352523] |
Tue, 03 March 2020 19:48 |
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So here is my wheel balancing story.
When I got the coach in 2008 I put on new Michelin tires and had them balanced. I kept having balancing issues and I'd always find stones or mud on the inner side of the wheel. Cleaning out the wheels would get things back to normal, but it was a pain looking for the cause of the problem all the time. I also lost weights, both stick-on and clamp-on. A club member introduced me to balancing beads and this solved alot of the issues since they dynamically balance the tire to compensate to stones or mud.
In 2013 I had a blowout so I replaced the Michelins with Toyo tires and had them put in beads at the tire store (not sure what brand). By 2018 I noticed I would need to hit a few railway tracks or rough road to get them to balance out. I suspected the beads were clumping with moisture in the tires. So I took it to a local tire dealer (Franchise) and had them remove the beads and balance the tires. After I got it back it was not a good balance... above 55mph was bad. I went back and they said it was because RV's sit and get a flat spot and I should have taken out for a run to warm up the tires before bringing it in for balancing. I thought it was a bit of a story because I set the rear on blocks when it is parked at home and when sitting for a couple of weeks or more I take most of weight off the front tires as well.
One night over the winter I woke up with an idea! I have a TPS (Tire Pressure Monitoring System) and I bet they didn't balance the tires with the TPS sensor installed. Next spring (2019) I went back and inquired if they would have installed the sensors before balancing (I saw they guy installing one sensor after balancing the last wheel when I came to pick up the coach). They stated it would make no difference (the sensor weighs 0.7oz) So I paid to have one wheel checked on the balancer and guess what, it need about 1oz opposite the tire valve.
Long story short I paid a slightly discounted rate to have the tires rebalanced with the sensors installed and told them not to use the clip-on weights on my aluminum wheels. Well I got the coach back and there were several wheels with clip-on weights. We were leaving for a trip to the Maritimes in a day or two so off we went... and so the did the clip-on weights within a couple hundred miles. So the balance of our trip was rattling dishes... not fun. I started looking into beads again or something better while on the trip. That's where I cam across Centramatic.
So when we got back, I looked into Centramatic and turned out we had driven right by their Canadian warehouse. They would have match a set up for my coach and let me taken it on a test drive to be sure it worked. But that was 500 miles away now and the cost was a bit more than I was wanting to pay.
So I decided to try the Ken's (KenB & KenH) Airsoft beads. I had the tire beads broken at a garage that had a tire machine. I got the Airsoft beads myself and measured out 4oz and put them in each tire. WOW SMOOTH! Didn't have anymore issues for the balance of the camping season.
This spring will be 7 years for the Toyo tires so I will replace them and put new Airsoft beads in the new tires. Not sure what brand, but they will be name brand tires again.
Just my experience with tire balancing.
Bruce Hislop
ON Canada
77PB, 455 Dick P. rebuilt, DynamicEFI EBL EFI & ESC.
1 ton front end
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=29001
My Staff says I never listen to them, or something like that
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