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Tue, 03 July 2018 13:54  |
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Hi Rick.
I generally agree with you here. My issue is to avoid the bad net actors reemerging time after time under different handles.
Jerry Work
Kerby, OR
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Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 09:56:11 -0800
From: Richard Denney
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Posting photos on the net
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We all need to remember that GMCnet spans generations, cultures,
backgrounds, nationalities, and beliefs. That means being careful about
projecting ours onto someone else, without at the same time undermining
integrity about our own beliefs.
We have people here who have proven themselves in life in ways many of us
have not, simply because we haven?t been faced with the same challenges.
Those experiences earn people the right to be a little curmudgeonly about
trials they see as less challenging. That discourages me from complaining,
though it doesn?t discourage me enough.
We also need to remember that it?s okay as we age to form conclusions based
on data, recognizing that everyone is working from a different set of data.
That means leaving room for others to have strongly held beliefs and
opinions, while recognizing that we also have them.
We will get over GMC2000 not giving his real name, and those who complained
about it (including me) have already moved on. I suggest we all do.
Rick ?respectfully submitted? Denney
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| Re: [GMCnet] Posting photos on the net [message #334518 is a reply to message #334514] |
Tue, 03 July 2018 14:29  |
jhbridges
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For someone to return, s/he need only make up a name and join. Gumphrey Mohunch comes to mind, ol' Gumphrey shows up in strange places now and again. It's a small thing.
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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| Re: [GMCnet] Posting photos on the net [message #334617 is a reply to message #334514] |
Wed, 04 July 2018 17:16 |
Ken Burton
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I have been wondering about that for a few days. It is also obvious that these people would not join the Black list to help others.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] Posting photos on the net [message #334974 is a reply to message #334514] |
Thu, 12 July 2018 01:06 |
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I waited to reply to this thread, which is another thread splited (twice actually) from here http://gmc.mybirdfeeder.net/GMCforum/index.php?t=msg&goto=334405&rid=5513#msg_334405 which was the first split from the original thread started here: http://gmc.mybirdfeeder.net/GMCforum/index.php?t=msg&th=41008&prevloaded=1&rid=5513&start=0
I waited because I wanted to see who else joined in as it went on. I had almost forgot about that but someone here is using multiple usernames and that reminded me of this.
what is a 'bad actor'? because it really doesnt make sense to me that someone who has a genuine interest in GMCs would come to a GMC related forum and act bad.
maybe its someone that y'all dont agree with? but why not just write that instead of insinuating they are a bad actor?
yeah, I think the GMC world needs a proper forum and have written this. so what? its obviously a mess here and some regulars insist on making it even more of a mess by splitting threads and using multiple usernames.
Ive even suggested the 'PTB' update this mess with something that will truly be for the 'greater GMC good' instead of someone else doing it, it really is in their best interest to do that although they may not see why (yet)
Im a guy that has a pretty serious interest in GMCs and my post history will reflect that. straight talker, no BS type but very keen to spot those who are not.
I might like to join the club when I get a GMC too but not if the officials want to label me as a bad actor and/or cant be trusted with private and confidential info before I even join, thats for sure. and if the only forum on the subject refuses progress that I know will help keep more GMCs on the road for a long time to come then someone else will have to do it.
it might be me? who knows? but I'd rather just be a regular member on a regular forum and help it grow into the future.
is writing my thoughts 'acting bad'? probably to some but not to All. I guess it just depends on who it is, or rather who they are acting as. can either of you point out with a hyperlink to one that y'all have considered or labeled as a "bad actor" otherwise I'll call BS. Ive been reading back, page by page on this forum for a while now and still do in my spare time and I really have not seen a poster here trying to cause trouble just for the sake of it. thats what a bad actor sounds like to me. I just havnt seen one here.
anyway, I hope we all can move forward together and for the greater GMC good. Im not here to challenge anyones governance or control. at least not directly. I do want to have a modern GMC internet to take GMCs into the future with the greatest of ease and prosperity, so thats why all this I guess. and whatever else that takes.
and last but not least, heres a good read in the sandbox and about the same subject the original thread this one was double split from. (please stop doing that) http://gmc.mybirdfeeder.net/GMCforum/index.php?t=msg&th=38930&start=0&rid=5513
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| Re: [GMCnet] Posting photos on the net [message #334980 is a reply to message #334514] |
Thu, 12 July 2018 07:41 |
jhbridges
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Well, if someone wants a formal forum with topic cops and strict adherence to rules, they're easy enough to start. P'raps you're the progenitor thereof? Go for it. As to multiple logins, I've not seen any here but I've not been looking... nor has anyone else. Anonymity is certain;y antone's right, but the accompanying pokes at anticipated paranoia come with it. You pays your money and you takes your choice as they say.
Again, without rancor, in a volunteer operation such as this the 'why don't you...' can only be met with 'go for it.'
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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| Re: [GMCnet] Posting photos on the net [message #334983 is a reply to message #334981] |
Thu, 12 July 2018 08:51 |
James Hupy
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Tain't me either. I figure if I have balls enough to post comments here,
that the least I can do is sign my name to it.
I busted my knuckles making an income for myself, a wife, and 2
children. Many times working more than one job at a time. When my skills
were lacking, I went to community colleges, 4 year college specialty
courses, General Motors Training Centers, Apprenticeship centers,
VW/Porsche/Audi schools, Diesel School at Blue Mountain CC, etc.
I went into partnership with a very talented automotive machinist,
(who also happened to be an alcoholic, binge drinker, womanizer, liar, and
cheat) That mistake cost me all my personal savings making it right. Taught
me a whole lot about human behavior, though.
All this and I found time to build hot rods, and help raise my kids.
Finally, was recruited to become a Vocational Instructor in a Prison.
I worked there until my retirement at age 56. Then I went to work for my
wife at her flower shop. She said that I could work 1/2 time, I didn't know
that meant 12 hours a day. Sold that shop in 2010. Bought a GMC in 2007 as
a getaway vehicle. Been working on them for myself and others since then.
GM training came in very handy many times. Love these old coaches. Not the
smartest or the dumbest GMCer out there, but I value the collective wisdom
and helpful spirit of the GMC community.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
On Thu, Jul 12, 2018, 5:55 AM Matt Colie wrote:
> Fred,
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> No, you are not one of the bad actors.
>
> The only time we have a problem here is when we get one of those few
> people that comes along and:
> A - Believes he knows a lot more about TZE coaches then anyone else here.
> B - Has no civility and gets into name calling and generally being nasty.
>
> We just don't need either and we have a lot of important information to
> pass along.
>
> As to me in particular, I am a ship's engineer and came ashore to work 30+
> years in Detroit engine labs.
> I have only owned a GMC for about a dozen years and 70+k. (The engine is
> currently on my barn floor.) And that leaves me as one on those of lesser
> experience when compared to the seniors here.
>
> Many have remarked that I seem to know a lot. I may know more than many,
> but that is only because I have been lifted to the shoulders of many helpful
> and wonderful people that were eager to pass their knowledge along and so
> I feel I have a responsibility to do the same.
>
> I am trying.
> --
> Matt & Mary Colie - '73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
> Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan
> OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
> SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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| Re: [GMCnet] Posting photos on the net [message #334984 is a reply to message #334974] |
Thu, 12 July 2018 09:22 |
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USAussie
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G'day,
Re: "anyway, I hope we all can move forward together and for the greater GMC good. Im not here to challenge anyones governance or
control. at least not directly. I do want to have a modern GMC internet to take GMCs into the future with the greatest of ease and
prosperity, so thats why all this I guess. and whatever else that takes."
Can anyone tell me:
1) how much it would cost to create a "modern GMC internet?"
2) if they have the ability do that?
3) would be willing to do it?
4) how long it would take?
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
-----Original Message-----
From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of GMC2000
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 1:06 AM
To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Posting photos on the net
I waited to reply to this thread, which is another thread splited (twice actually) from here
http://gmc.mybirdfeeder.net/GMCforum/index.php?t=msg&goto=334405&rid=5513#msg_334405 which was the first split from the original
thread started here:
http://gmc.mybirdfeeder.net/GMCforum/index.php?t=msg&th=41008&prevloaded=1&rid=5513&start=0
I waited because I wanted to see who else joined in as it went on. I had almost forgot about that but someone here is using multiple
usernames and that reminded me of this.
what is a 'bad actor'? because it really doesnt make sense to me that someone who has a genuine interest in GMCs would come to a
GMC related forum and act bad.
maybe its someone that y'all dont agree with? but why not just write that instead of insinuating they are a bad actor?
yeah, I think the GMC world needs a proper forum and have written this. so what? its obviously a mess here and some regulars insist
on making it even more of a mess by splitting threads and using multiple usernames.
Ive even suggested the 'PTB' update this mess with something that will truly be for the 'greater GMC good' instead of someone else
doing it, it really is in their best interest to do that although they may not see why (yet)
Im a guy that has a pretty serious interest in GMCs and my post history will reflect that. straight talker, no BS type but very
keen to spot those who are not.
I might like to join the club when I get a GMC too but not if the officials want to label me as a bad actor and/or cant be trusted
with private and confidential info before I even join, thats for sure. and if the only forum on the subject refuses progress that I
know will help keep more GMCs on the road for a long time to come then someone else will have to do it.
it might be me? who knows? but I'd rather just be a regular member on a regular forum and help it grow into the future.
is writing my thoughts 'acting bad'? probably to some but not to All. I guess it just depends on who it is, or rather who they are
acting as. Can either of you point out with a hyperlink to one that y'all have considered or labeled as a "bad actor" otherwise I'll
call BS. Ive been reading back, page by page on this forum for a while now and still do in my spare time and I really have not seen
a poster here trying to cause trouble just for the
sake of it. thats what a bad actor sounds like to me. I just havnt seen one here.
anyway, I hope we all can move forward together and for the greater GMC good. Im not here to challenge anyones governance or
control. at least not directly. I do want to have a modern GMC internet to take GMCs into the future with the greatest of ease and
prosperity, so thats why all this I
guess. and whatever else that takes.
and last but not least, heres a good read in the sandbox and about the same subject the original thread this one was double split
from. (please stop doing that)
http://gmc.mybirdfeeder.net/GMCforum/index.php?t=msg&th=38930&start=0&rid=5513
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Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] Posting photos on the net [message #334985 is a reply to message #334984] |
Thu, 12 July 2018 09:36 |
James Hupy
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Let's see, a bunch of old fogies, driving 40+ year old coaches, want a
"modern" internet forum??? What's wrong with this picture?
(Grin) We shouldn't even be buying green bananas.
Jim Hupy
On Thu, Jul 12, 2018, 7:23 AM Rob Mueller wrote:
> G'day,
>
> Re: "anyway, I hope we all can move forward together and for the greater
> GMC good. Im not here to challenge anyones governance or
> control. at least not directly. I do want to have a modern GMC internet to
> take GMCs into the future with the greatest of ease and
> prosperity, so thats why all this I guess. and whatever else that takes."
>
> Can anyone tell me:
>
> 1) how much it would cost to create a "modern GMC internet?"
> 2) if they have the ability do that?
> 3) would be willing to do it?
> 4) how long it would take?
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> The Pedantic Mechanic
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
> USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of
> GMC2000
> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 1:06 AM
> To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Posting photos on the net
>
> I waited to reply to this thread, which is another thread splited (twice
> actually) from here
>
> http://gmc.mybirdfeeder.net/GMCforum/index.php?t=msg&goto=334405&rid=5513#msg_334405
> which was the first split from the original
> thread started here:
>
> http://gmc.mybirdfeeder.net/GMCforum/index.php?t=msg&th=41008&prevloaded=1&rid=5513&start=0
>
> I waited because I wanted to see who else joined in as it went on. I had
> almost forgot about that but someone here is using multiple
> usernames and that reminded me of this.
>
> what is a 'bad actor'? because it really doesnt make sense to me that
> someone who has a genuine interest in GMCs would come to a
> GMC related forum and act bad.
>
> maybe its someone that y'all dont agree with? but why not just write that
> instead of insinuating they are a bad actor?
>
> yeah, I think the GMC world needs a proper forum and have written this. so
> what? its obviously a mess here and some regulars insist
> on making it even more of a mess by splitting threads and using multiple
> usernames.
>
> Ive even suggested the 'PTB' update this mess with something that will
> truly be for the 'greater GMC good' instead of someone else
> doing it, it really is in their best interest to do that although they may
> not see why (yet)
>
> Im a guy that has a pretty serious interest in GMCs and my post history
> will reflect that. straight talker, no BS type but very
> keen to spot those who are not.
>
> I might like to join the club when I get a GMC too but not if the
> officials want to label me as a bad actor and/or cant be trusted
> with private and confidential info before I even join, thats for sure. and
> if the only forum on the subject refuses progress that I
> know will help keep more GMCs on the road for a long time to come then
> someone else will have to do it.
>
> it might be me? who knows? but I'd rather just be a regular member on a
> regular forum and help it grow into the future.
>
> is writing my thoughts 'acting bad'? probably to some but not to All. I
> guess it just depends on who it is, or rather who they are
> acting as. Can either of you point out with a hyperlink to one that y'all
> have considered or labeled as a "bad actor" otherwise I'll
> call BS. Ive been reading back, page by page on this forum for a while now
> and still do in my spare time and I really have not seen
> a poster here trying to cause trouble just for the
> sake of it. thats what a bad actor sounds like to me. I just havnt seen
> one here.
>
> anyway, I hope we all can move forward together and for the greater GMC
> good. Im not here to challenge anyones governance or
> control. at least not directly. I do want to have a modern GMC internet to
> take GMCs into the future with the greatest of ease and
> prosperity, so thats why all this I
> guess. and whatever else that takes.
>
> and last but not least, heres a good read in the sandbox and about the
> same subject the original thread this one was double split
> from. (please stop doing that)
>
>
> http://gmc.mybirdfeeder.net/GMCforum/index.php?t=msg&th=38930&start=0&rid=5513
>
>
>
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Posting photos on the net [message #334986 is a reply to message #334985] |
Thu, 12 July 2018 09:40 |
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Jim,
Well in my opinion if we want the GMC to "live on" after us old fogies are gone GMC2000 is right.
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
-----Original Message-----
From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of James Hupy
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 9:36 AM
To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Posting photos on the net
Let's see, a bunch of old fogies, driving 40+ year old coaches, want a "modern" internet forum??? What's wrong with this picture?
(Grin) We shouldn't even be buying green bananas.
Jim Hupy
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The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] Posting photos on the net [message #334988 is a reply to message #334986] |
Thu, 12 July 2018 10:01 |
James Hupy
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I oftentimes wish for the ability to post photos on the gmcnet. I fully
understand why we can't. Bandwidth and cost. I do not participate on the
forum, because of the format. Can't find crap. Facebook is more of a
chatroom than anything else. Handy for some things, but doesn't lend itself
well to technical stuff.
A GMCer owns the photo site. And the net. That means a whole bunch
when it comes to longevity and finding stuff when it is needed.
Much non GMC information through the years has evaporated into
nothing, never to be found again. That shouldn't happen.
What makes this net great and unique is it's permanent nature, quirks
and all. Worth a few bucks once in a while to me. But Patrick and Billy
both should have someone standing in the wings, as understudies. Sounds
like a job for 2000.
Jim Hupy
On Thu, Jul 12, 2018, 7:41 AM Rob Mueller wrote:
> Jim,
>
> Well in my opinion if we want the GMC to "live on" after us old fogies are
> gone GMC2000 is right.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> The Pedantic Mechanic
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
> USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of James
> Hupy
> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 9:36 AM
> To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Posting photos on the net
>
> Let's see, a bunch of old fogies, driving 40+ year old coaches, want a
> "modern" internet forum??? What's wrong with this picture?
> (Grin) We shouldn't even be buying green bananas.
>
> Jim Hupy
>
>
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Posting photos on the net [message #334989 is a reply to message #334984] |
Thu, 12 July 2018 10:13 |
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Regarding multiple usernames,
I am quilty. You may know me as one of the following:
GMC.LES
Burtco99
Les Burt
Why do I have multiple usernames? Well it has something to do with having to register with the forum and the e-mail list. I originally signed up using Burtco99, and somehow shortly after signing up on the mail list, I forgot what password I used. I initially just re-registered as
GMC.LES as it was quicker than trying to contact 2 different admins on 2 different systems. I have since sorted out my password issues with the original accounts. Cancelling the least used accounts is more effort than its worth.
These days I mostly post my GMC messages from my iPhone. This is where my name Les Burt started to show up. I have several e-mail accounts on my phone, including a specific G-mail acct(GMC.LES) for my TZE communications. If I accidentally create a GMCLIST message from the another email account on my phone, it somehow eventually gets through, and that account then appears to become registered in the GMCLIST system.
Another issue I’ve noticed is that a message viewed as an e-mail on my iPhone may not show the same name as when viewing the same message on the forum. I believe it has to do with the iPhone comparing the incoming message with my contacts list. If it finds a match, the phone assigns the name in the contacts list to the message.
I read the GMC messages on multiple different platforms. My iPhone, my laptop, my notepad, my home desktop, and on my work computer. They all use different methods to access the messages, either by email or forum. Due to all the variables, I believe this can make some GMCLIST members appear as though they are using multiple usernames when many are not.
I don’t have a problem with any of this, but I do see how it can be confusing.
Les Burt
Montreal
'75 Eleganza 26'
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| Re: [GMCnet] Posting photos on the net [message #334991 is a reply to message #334986] |
Thu, 12 July 2018 10:28 |
Carl S.
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2-K,
I personally don't give a rip whether you use a real name or not. The reason it is important to some of our members is that it is nice to know who we are dealing with and when we eventually meet them in person we have a little better feel for who they are.
There HAVE been 'bad actors' show up here from time to time and they have either quietly gone away, or been banished by the moderator, or have gone off in a flurry of name calling and telling the rest of us where to go. One of them is big on Facebook now. The problem with them is that they have succeeded in running off some of the really good resources we have had over the years. My solution to dealing with them has always been to just ignore them and let them fend for themselves. Otherwise, I try to help to the extent that my limited ability and experience allows.
Personally, I am also satisfied with the forum the way it is, even though the split and/or hijacked threads can be annoying and sometimes makes it hard to find the post I am trying to respond to. At 62 years of age, I am probably way behind the curve on high tech, but this works for me. I have been using this forum and/or the email digest for about nine years now and I guess I'm just used to it. That makes it easy for me to use.
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Posting photos on the net [message #334992 is a reply to message #334988] |
Thu, 12 July 2018 10:26 |
GMC.LES
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What I find a bit funny is how we praise the GMCNET and the photosite for being reliable and permanent places to store our TZE related info.
We then go on to complain about how it can be difficult at times to search those places for the info we are looking for.
To make things worse, we have GMCNET, the photo site, Genes list of valuable info, etc. These are all strewn across the web in multiple different locations, only tied together by links to each others websites.
GMC2000(Fred) is correct. We need a more modern and user friendly place to keep this info IN ONE LOCATION.
If that happens, then we will have genuine reason for praise!
Les Burt
Montreal
'75 Eleganza 26'
> On Jul 12, 2018, at 11:01 AM, James Hupy wrote:
>
> I oftentimes wish for the ability to post photos on the gmcnet. I fully
> understand why we can't. Bandwidth and cost. I do not participate on the
> forum, because of the format. Can't find crap. Facebook is more of a
> chatroom than anything else. Handy for some things, but doesn't lend itself
> well to technical stuff.
> A GMCer owns the photo site. And the net. That means a whole bunch
> when it comes to longevity and finding stuff when it is needed.
> Much non GMC information through the years has evaporated into
> nothing, never to be found again. That shouldn't happen.
> What makes this net great and unique is it's permanent nature, quirks
> and all. Worth a few bucks once in a while to me. But Patrick and Billy
> both should have someone standing in the wings, as understudies. Sounds
> like a job for 2000.
> Jim Hupy
>
>> On Thu, Jul 12, 2018, 7:41 AM Rob Mueller wrote:
>>
>> Jim,
>>
>> Well in my opinion if we want the GMC to "live on" after us old fogies are
>> gone GMC2000 is right.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Rob M.
>> The Pedantic Mechanic
>> Sydney, Australia
>> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
>> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>> USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of James
>> Hupy
>> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 9:36 AM
>> To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Posting photos on the net
>>
>> Let's see, a bunch of old fogies, driving 40+ year old coaches, want a
>> "modern" internet forum??? What's wrong with this picture?
>> (Grin) We shouldn't even be buying green bananas.
>>
>> Jim Hupy
>>
>>
>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Posting photos on the net [message #334994 is a reply to message #334992] |
Thu, 12 July 2018 10:57 |
Will Albers
Messages: 183
Registered: November 2017
Location: Detroit MI (Belleville)
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Many of us are members of other automotive message forums that may provide
the modern functionality requested. Does anyone have an example that they
would like to share? Something that demonstrates the newer features this
medium lacks?
-Persistent image storage?
-Active administration?
-Topic archival and search capabilities?
FWIW, i'm a longstanding member of a Pinzgauer forum that uses *free *phpBB
as its foundation. phpBB started in 2000, but recent versions integrate
with Tapatalk... allows for wonderful functionality on a cell phone. The
interface should seem familiar. Are you looking for something more advanced
than phpBB?
-Will
On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 11:26 AM Les Burt wrote:
> What I find a bit funny is how we praise the GMCNET and the photosite for
> being reliable and permanent places to store our TZE related info.
>
> We then go on to complain about how it can be difficult at times to search
> those places for the info we are looking for.
>
> To make things worse, we have GMCNET, the photo site, Genes list of
> valuable info, etc. These are all strewn across the web in multiple
> different locations, only tied together by links to each others websites.
>
> GMC2000(Fred) is correct. We need a more modern and user friendly place to
> keep this info IN ONE LOCATION.
>
> If that happens, then we will have genuine reason for praise!
>
> Les Burt
> Montreal
> '75 Eleganza 26'
>
>
>> On Jul 12, 2018, at 11:01 AM, James Hupy wrote:
>>
>> I oftentimes wish for the ability to post photos on the gmcnet. I fully
>> understand why we can't. Bandwidth and cost. I do not participate on the
>> forum, because of the format. Can't find crap. Facebook is more of a
>> chatroom than anything else. Handy for some things, but doesn't lend
> itself
>> well to technical stuff.
>> A GMCer owns the photo site. And the net. That means a whole bunch
>> when it comes to longevity and finding stuff when it is needed.
>> Much non GMC information through the years has evaporated into
>> nothing, never to be found again. That shouldn't happen.
>> What makes this net great and unique is it's permanent nature, quirks
>> and all. Worth a few bucks once in a while to me. But Patrick and Billy
>> both should have someone standing in the wings, as understudies. Sounds
>> like a job for 2000.
>> Jim Hupy
>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 12, 2018, 7:41 AM Rob Mueller
> wrote:
>>>
>>> Jim,
>>>
>>> Well in my opinion if we want the GMC to "live on" after us old fogies
> are
>>> gone GMC2000 is right.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Rob M.
>>> The Pedantic Mechanic
>>> Sydney, Australia
>>> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
>>> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>>> USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of
> James
>>> Hupy
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 9:36 AM
>>> To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Posting photos on the net
>>>
>>> Let's see, a bunch of old fogies, driving 40+ year old coaches, want a
>>> "modern" internet forum??? What's wrong with this picture?
>>> (Grin) We shouldn't even be buying green bananas.
>>>
>>> Jim Hupy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> GMCnet mailing list
>>> Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
>>> http://list.gmcnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gmclist_list.gmcnet.org
>>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Posting photos on the net [message #334995 is a reply to message #334994] |
Thu, 12 July 2018 10:57 |
Will Albers
Messages: 183
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my apologies - http://real4x4forums.com/PinzgauerBBS/index.php
On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 11:57 AM Will wrote:
> Many of us are members of other automotive message forums that may provide
> the modern functionality requested. Does anyone have an example that they
> would like to share? Something that demonstrates the newer features this
> medium lacks?
>
> -Persistent image storage?
> -Active administration?
> -Topic archival and search capabilities?
>
> FWIW, i'm a longstanding member of a Pinzgauer forum that uses *free *phpBB
> as its foundation. phpBB started in 2000, but recent versions integrate
> with Tapatalk... allows for wonderful functionality on a cell phone. The
> interface should seem familiar. Are you looking for something more advanced
> than phpBB?
>
> -Will
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 11:26 AM Les Burt wrote:
>
>> What I find a bit funny is how we praise the GMCNET and the photosite for
>> being reliable and permanent places to store our TZE related info.
>>
>> We then go on to complain about how it can be difficult at times to
>> search those places for the info we are looking for.
>>
>> To make things worse, we have GMCNET, the photo site, Genes list of
>> valuable info, etc. These are all strewn across the web in multiple
>> different locations, only tied together by links to each others websites.
>>
>> GMC2000(Fred) is correct. We need a more modern and user friendly place
>> to keep this info IN ONE LOCATION.
>>
>> If that happens, then we will have genuine reason for praise!
>>
>> Les Burt
>> Montreal
>> '75 Eleganza 26'
>>
>>
>>> On Jul 12, 2018, at 11:01 AM, James Hupy wrote:
>>>
>>> I oftentimes wish for the ability to post photos on the gmcnet. I fully
>>> understand why we can't. Bandwidth and cost. I do not participate on the
>>> forum, because of the format. Can't find crap. Facebook is more of a
>>> chatroom than anything else. Handy for some things, but doesn't lend
>> itself
>>> well to technical stuff.
>>> A GMCer owns the photo site. And the net. That means a whole bunch
>>> when it comes to longevity and finding stuff when it is needed.
>>> Much non GMC information through the years has evaporated into
>>> nothing, never to be found again. That shouldn't happen.
>>> What makes this net great and unique is it's permanent nature,
>> quirks
>>> and all. Worth a few bucks once in a while to me. But Patrick and Billy
>>> both should have someone standing in the wings, as understudies. Sounds
>>> like a job for 2000.
>>> Jim Hupy
>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jul 12, 2018, 7:41 AM Rob Mueller
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Jim,
>>>>
>>>> Well in my opinion if we want the GMC to "live on" after us old fogies
>> are
>>>> gone GMC2000 is right.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Rob M.
>>>> The Pedantic Mechanic
>>>> Sydney, Australia
>>>> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
>>>> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>>>> USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> James
>>>> Hupy
>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 9:36 AM
>>>> To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Posting photos on the net
>>>>
>>>> Let's see, a bunch of old fogies, driving 40+ year old coaches, want a
>>>> "modern" internet forum??? What's wrong with this picture?
>>>> (Grin) We shouldn't even be buying green bananas.
>>>>
>>>> Jim Hupy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> GMCnet mailing list
>>>> Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
>>>> http://list.gmcnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gmclist_list.gmcnet.org
>>>>
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>>> Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
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| Re: [GMCnet] Posting photos on the net [message #334996 is a reply to message #334995] |
Thu, 12 July 2018 11:08 |
Kingsley Coach
Messages: 2691
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English, Will...English please ! lol
On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 12:57 PM, Will wrote:
> my apologies - http://real4x4forums.com/PinzgauerBBS/index.php
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 11:57 AM Will wrote:
>
>> Many of us are members of other automotive message forums that may
> provide
>> the modern functionality requested. Does anyone have an example that they
>> would like to share? Something that demonstrates the newer features this
>> medium lacks?
>>
>> -Persistent image storage?
>> -Active administration?
>> -Topic archival and search capabilities?
>>
>> FWIW, i'm a longstanding member of a Pinzgauer forum that uses *free
> *phpBB
>> as its foundation. phpBB started in 2000, but recent versions integrate
>> with Tapatalk... allows for wonderful functionality on a cell phone. The
>> interface should seem familiar. Are you looking for something more
> advanced
>> than phpBB?
>>
>> -Will
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 11:26 AM Les Burt wrote:
>>
>>> What I find a bit funny is how we praise the GMCNET and the photosite
> for
>>> being reliable and permanent places to store our TZE related info.
>>>
>>> We then go on to complain about how it can be difficult at times to
>>> search those places for the info we are looking for.
>>>
>>> To make things worse, we have GMCNET, the photo site, Genes list of
>>> valuable info, etc. These are all strewn across the web in multiple
>>> different locations, only tied together by links to each others
> websites.
>>>
>>> GMC2000(Fred) is correct. We need a more modern and user friendly place
>>> to keep this info IN ONE LOCATION.
>>>
>>> If that happens, then we will have genuine reason for praise!
>>>
>>> Les Burt
>>> Montreal
>>> '75 Eleganza 26'
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jul 12, 2018, at 11:01 AM, James Hupy
> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I oftentimes wish for the ability to post photos on the gmcnet. I
> fully
>>>> understand why we can't. Bandwidth and cost. I do not participate on
> the
>>>> forum, because of the format. Can't find crap. Facebook is more of a
>>>> chatroom than anything else. Handy for some things, but doesn't lend
>>> itself
>>>> well to technical stuff.
>>>> A GMCer owns the photo site. And the net. That means a whole bunch
>>>> when it comes to longevity and finding stuff when it is needed.
>>>> Much non GMC information through the years has evaporated into
>>>> nothing, never to be found again. That shouldn't happen.
>>>> What makes this net great and unique is it's permanent nature,
>>> quirks
>>>> and all. Worth a few bucks once in a while to me. But Patrick and
> Billy
>>>> both should have someone standing in the wings, as understudies.
> Sounds
>>>> like a job for 2000.
>>>> Jim Hupy
>>>>
>>>> > On Thu, Jul 12, 2018, 7:41 AM Rob Mueller
>>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Jim,
>>>> >
>>>> > Well in my opinion if we want the GMC to "live on" after us old
> fogies
>>> are
>>>> > gone GMC2000 is right.
>>>> >
>>>> > Regards,
>>>> > Rob M.
>>>> > The Pedantic Mechanic
>>>> > Sydney, Australia
>>>> > AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
>>>> > USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>>>> > USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>> > From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>> James
>>>> > Hupy
>>>> > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 9:36 AM
>>>> > To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
>>>> > Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Posting photos on the net
>>>> >
>>>> > Let's see, a bunch of old fogies, driving 40+ year old coaches, want
> a
>>>> > "modern" internet forum??? What's wrong with this picture?
>>>> > (Grin) We shouldn't even be buying green bananas.
>>>> >
>>>> > Jim Hupy
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>> > GMCnet mailing list
>>>> > Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
>>>> > http://list.gmcnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gmclist_list.gmcnet.org
>>>> >
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1977 Eleganza II 26-3
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| Re: [GMCnet] Posting photos on the net [message #334997 is a reply to message #334995] |
Thu, 12 July 2018 11:16 |
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Les
Having all those sites you mention on one site may sound good to you but it is never going to happen.
First there are several individuals putting time into collecting information and maintaining their site. Would you expect that they would all continue to do this if it’s on someone else’s site?
Also, what happens if the site goes down as often happens on the Internet? That would mean that all information is cut off. With it on more than one site much would still be available even if one source goes down for a while.
Also, this could get expensive and also require a lot of knowledge of one person to maintain it all. It could take several hours of time a week for someone to do it on a volunteer basis. Much more than the individuals managing separate sites do now.
The present set of systems is working well. It might have some quirks and imperfections but so would a new system that might take months or years to develop
As someone said before “are you volunteering to do it?” If so, you’d better start soon if you want it done in your remaining lifetime and don’t plan on doing much else with your spare time.
Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Frederick, CO
>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 11:26 AM Les Burt wrote:
>>>
>>> What I find a bit funny is how we praise the GMCNET and the photosite for
>>> being reliable and permanent places to store our TZE related info.
>>>
>>> We then go on to complain about how it can be difficult at times to
>>> search those places for the info we are looking for.
>>>
>>> To make things worse, we have GMCNET, the photo site, Genes list of
>>> valuable info, etc. These are all strewn across the web in multiple
>>> different locations, only tied together by links to each others websites.
>>>
>>> GMC2000(Fred) is correct. We need a more modern and user friendly place
>>> to keep this info IN ONE LOCATION.
>>>
>>> If that happens, then we will have genuine reason for praise!
>>>
>>> Les Burt
>>> Montreal
>>> '75 Eleganza 26'
>>>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Posting photos on the net [message #334998 is a reply to message #334996] |
Thu, 12 July 2018 11:20 |
Will Albers
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ha! OK, lets see how i can do this....
There are costs to host a website (blank slate), and costs for the storage
and software used on that site (what you see when you go to a website).
phpBB is the forum software that runs on
http://real4x4forums.com/PinzgauerBBS/index.php. Its the look and feel and
functionality... Post, add pictures, search, register, etc.
Its free to use. I'm curious if that is the type of forum that folks have
in mind when they say something "more modern". If not, could someone show
the site that they consider more modern? I can give an idea of cost
On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 12:09 PM Kingsley Coach
wrote:
> English, Will...English please ! lol
>
> On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 12:57 PM, Will wrote:
>
>> my apologies - http://real4x4forums.com/PinzgauerBBS/index.php
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 11:57 AM Will wrote:
>>
>>> Many of us are members of other automotive message forums that may
>> provide
>>> the modern functionality requested. Does anyone have an example that
> they
>>> would like to share? Something that demonstrates the newer features
> this
>>> medium lacks?
>>>
>>> -Persistent image storage?
>>> -Active administration?
>>> -Topic archival and search capabilities?
>>>
>>> FWIW, i'm a longstanding member of a Pinzgauer forum that uses *free
>> *phpBB
>>> as its foundation. phpBB started in 2000, but recent versions integrate
>>> with Tapatalk... allows for wonderful functionality on a cell phone.
> The
>>> interface should seem familiar. Are you looking for something more
>> advanced
>>> than phpBB?
>>>
>>> -Will
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 11:26 AM Les Burt wrote:
>>>
>>>> What I find a bit funny is how we praise the GMCNET and the photosite
>> for
>>>> being reliable and permanent places to store our TZE related info.
>>>>
>>>> We then go on to complain about how it can be difficult at times to
>>>> search those places for the info we are looking for.
>>>>
>>>> To make things worse, we have GMCNET, the photo site, Genes list of
>>>> valuable info, etc. These are all strewn across the web in multiple
>>>> different locations, only tied together by links to each others
>> websites.
>>>>
>>>> GMC2000(Fred) is correct. We need a more modern and user friendly
> place
>>>> to keep this info IN ONE LOCATION.
>>>>
>>>> If that happens, then we will have genuine reason for praise!
>>>>
>>>> Les Burt
>>>> Montreal
>>>> '75 Eleganza 26'
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > On Jul 12, 2018, at 11:01 AM, James Hupy
>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > I oftentimes wish for the ability to post photos on the gmcnet. I
>> fully
>>>> > understand why we can't. Bandwidth and cost. I do not participate on
>> the
>>>> > forum, because of the format. Can't find crap. Facebook is more of a
>>>> > chatroom than anything else. Handy for some things, but doesn't lend
>>>> itself
>>>> > well to technical stuff.
>>>> > A GMCer owns the photo site. And the net. That means a whole
> bunch
>>>> > when it comes to longevity and finding stuff when it is needed.
>>>> > Much non GMC information through the years has evaporated into
>>>> > nothing, never to be found again. That shouldn't happen.
>>>> > What makes this net great and unique is it's permanent nature,
>>>> quirks
>>>> > and all. Worth a few bucks once in a while to me. But Patrick and
>> Billy
>>>> > both should have someone standing in the wings, as understudies.
>> Sounds
>>>> > like a job for 2000.
>>>> > Jim Hupy
>>>> >
>>>> >> On Thu, Jul 12, 2018, 7:41 AM Rob Mueller >
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Jim,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Well in my opinion if we want the GMC to "live on" after us old
>> fogies
>>>> are
>>>> >> gone GMC2000 is right.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Regards,
>>>> >> Rob M.
>>>> >> The Pedantic Mechanic
>>>> >> Sydney, Australia
>>>> >> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
>>>> >> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>>>> >> USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>>> >> From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf
> Of
>>>> James
>>>> >> Hupy
>>>> >> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 9:36 AM
>>>> >> To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
>>>> >> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Posting photos on the net
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Let's see, a bunch of old fogies, driving 40+ year old coaches,
> want
>> a
>>>> >> "modern" internet forum??? What's wrong with this picture?
>>>> >> (Grin) We shouldn't even be buying green bananas.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Jim Hupy
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>>> >> GMCnet mailing list
>>>> >> Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
>>>> >> http://list.gmcnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gmclist_list.gmcnet.org
>>>> >>
>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>> > GMCnet mailing list
>>>> > Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
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>
>
> --
> Michael Beaton
> 1977 Kingsley 26-11
> 1977 Eleganza II 26-3
> Antigonish, NS
>
> Life is too short to hold a grudge; slash some tires and call it even !
> _______________________________________________
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