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Re: [GMCnet] Ken. Can we have new windshields installed in Amana Iowa in September. [message #328516] Mon, 22 January 2018 19:21 Go to next message
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We are extremely lucky that these windshields are even available anymore. Think about the fact that there will be a point that they aren't made anymore. Is that next year? These guys have to have a company over seas make some up. Make an extensive crate to get them here in one piece. Then the fact that Ken B is kind enough to set this up for us. Then their are those very few that make this a pain in Ken's ass. I think the main savings is in the shipping of multiples. The main point is that these guys have put in a very large number of these in. That meant a lot to me. ( The. We can do that doesn't fly well with me. ) Ken makes up a schedule with very specific times for each GMC. My windshields were just starting to fog at the very edge. You really had to look close to see it. So I got them replaced right after we bought our GMC. As when is the end of availability.THANK YOU so much Ken for how you help us. Bob Dunahugh
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Re: [GMCnet] Ken. Can we have new windshields installed in Amana Iowa in September. [message #328525 is a reply to message #328516] Tue, 23 January 2018 02:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ken Burton is currently offline  Ken Burton   United States
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I am also worried about how long these will still be available. All North American manufacturers quit making them a few years back.

As a result, the distributor of these went and got their own DOT number and took over having them made. They are being made off-shore and shipped in by air. So we still have them available. Every year it becomes a little harder to get them in the quantities we need. There are 4 stockage locations in the US all owned by the same manufacturing company. Those in turn supply all other wholesale suppliers in the US. We ended up getting the ones we needed from the warehouse farthest away and then not getting as many as we wanted. That was with a four month early pre-order.

We did find 6 left side ones (no right sides) NOS in a secondary warehouse. They wanted double the price and been stored there for several years. They were from a different manufacturer. That was not much help because most people want both sides. Even if we found matching rights elsewhere we did not want two different manufacturers product in the same coach due to possible tint differences.

We are just lucky that we even have them available for a 40 year old coach that only had a total production run of 12,000 vehicles.

I have thought about buying a pair or more and storing them in my basement for future use. For long term storage I was told that they need to be edge sealed and vacuum packed. That would one very large air tight container that I would have to build or find. I'm not sure how I would do that. I pictured something like a 55 gallon drum only 2.5 times the diameter. Then I thought about some like a 50 cal ammo can only 10 times larger. I gave up on the idea.


Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
Re: [GMCnet] Ken. Can we have new windshields installed in Amana Iowa in September. [message #328526 is a reply to message #328525] Tue, 23 January 2018 05:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ken,

I was told that the fogging around the edges was caused by dirt getting into the rubber seal, migrating to the bottom of the seal
and retain moisture which caused the fogging. That's why Ken and his crew apply black silicone between the seal and the glass.

He will also seal the edge with a sealant that keeps the moisture out of the plastic center which is what he did on Double Trouble.

Did Coach Glass tell you they had to be vacuum packed and sealed? I agree a large container would be impossible because of the size
it would have to have VERY thick walls considering the TONS of pressure on it at 14.7 pounds per square inch!

You could double bag and evacuate them, that's the way parts were packaged for Project Apollo.

Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808


-----Original Message-----
From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Ken Burton
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 7:27 PM
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Ken. Can we have new windshields installed in Amana Iowa in September.

I am also worried about how long these will still be available. All North American manufacturers quit making them a few years back.


As a result, the distributor of these went and got their own DOT number and took over having them made. They are being made
off-shore and shipped in by air. So we still have them available. Every year it becomes a little harder to get them in the
quantities we need. There are 4 stockage locations in the US all owned by the same manufacturing company. Those in turn supply all
other wholesale suppliers in the US. We ended up getting
the ones we needed from the warehouse farthest away and then not getting as many as we wanted. That was with a four month early
pre-order.

We did find 6 left side ones (no right sides) NOS in a secondary warehouse. They wanted double the price and been stored there for
several years. They were from a different manufacturer. That was not much help because most people want both sides. Even if we
found matching rights elsewhere we did not want two different manufacturers product in the same coach due to possible tint
differences.

We are just lucky that we even have them available for a 40 year old coach that only had a total production run of 12,000 vehicles.


I have thought about buying a pair or more and storing them in my basement for future use. For long term storage I was told that
they need to be edge sealed and vacuum packed. That would one very large air tight container that I would have to build or find.
I'm not sure how I would do that. I pictured something like a 55 gallon drum only 2.5 times the diameter. Then I thought about
some like a 50 cal ammo can only 10 times larger. I gave up on the idea.
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Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana



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Re: [GMCnet] Ken. Can we have new windshields installed in Amana Iowa in September. [message #328533 is a reply to message #328526] Tue, 23 January 2018 09:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'd think you could just bag them, and pump the air out, that should be
easy enough. Now, getting packaging that won't leak over decades... Re pump
every so often? add something that will absorb the air? Is it air, or
oxygen or water, those can be dealt with fairly easily.

Mine are kinda foggy, I was thinking I could live with it for 5 or 10 year,
but perhaps I should move that up a bit.

On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 3:28 AM, Rob Mueller
wrote:

> Ken,
>
> I was told that the fogging around the edges was caused by dirt getting
> into the rubber seal, migrating to the bottom of the seal
> and retain moisture which caused the fogging. That's why Ken and his crew
> apply black silicone between the seal and the glass.
>
> He will also seal the edge with a sealant that keeps the moisture out of
> the plastic center which is what he did on Double Trouble.
>
> Did Coach Glass tell you they had to be vacuum packed and sealed? I agree
> a large container would be impossible because of the size
> it would have to have VERY thick walls considering the TONS of pressure on
> it at 14.7 pounds per square inch!
>
> You could double bag and evacuate them, that's the way parts were packaged
> for Project Apollo.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> The Pedantic Mechanic
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
> USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Ken
> Burton
> Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 7:27 PM
> To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Ken. Can we have new windshields installed in Amana
> Iowa in September.
>
> I am also worried about how long these will still be available. All North
> American manufacturers quit making them a few years back.
>
>
> As a result, the distributor of these went and got their own DOT number
> and took over having them made. They are being made
> off-shore and shipped in by air. So we still have them available. Every
> year it becomes a little harder to get them in the
> quantities we need. There are 4 stockage locations in the US all owned by
> the same manufacturing company. Those in turn supply all
> other wholesale suppliers in the US. We ended up getting
> the ones we needed from the warehouse farthest away and then not getting
> as many as we wanted. That was with a four month early
> pre-order.
>
> We did find 6 left side ones (no right sides) NOS in a secondary
> warehouse. They wanted double the price and been stored there for
> several years. They were from a different manufacturer. That was not much
> help because most people want both sides. Even if we
> found matching rights elsewhere we did not want two different
> manufacturers product in the same coach due to possible tint
> differences.
>
> We are just lucky that we even have them available for a 40 year old coach
> that only had a total production run of 12,000 vehicles.
>
>
> I have thought about buying a pair or more and storing them in my basement
> for future use. For long term storage I was told that
> they need to be edge sealed and vacuum packed. That would one very large
> air tight container that I would have to build or find.
> I'm not sure how I would do that. I pictured something like a 55 gallon
> drum only 2.5 times the diameter. Then I thought about
> some like a 50 cal ammo can only 10 times larger. I gave up on the idea.
> --
> Ken Burton - N9KB
> 76 Palm Beach
> Hebron, Indiana
>
>
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Ken. Can we have new windshields installed in Amana Iowa in September. [message #328534 is a reply to message #328533] Tue, 23 January 2018 09:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
James Hupy is currently offline  James Hupy   United States
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There are some bags that are used to store quilts, blankets, wedding
dresses, etc in. My wife (Mary) not Judy, used them for storage of stuff.
The vacuum was provided by a home vacuum cleaner or a shop vac. They worked
well. Might Google them and see what pops up.
Jim Hupy

On Jan 23, 2018 7:09 AM, "Ronald Pottol" wrote:

> I'd think you could just bag them, and pump the air out, that should be
> easy enough. Now, getting packaging that won't leak over decades... Re pump
> every so often? add something that will absorb the air? Is it air, or
> oxygen or water, those can be dealt with fairly easily.
>
> Mine are kinda foggy, I was thinking I could live with it for 5 or 10 year,
> but perhaps I should move that up a bit.
>
> On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 3:28 AM, Rob Mueller
> wrote:
>
>> Ken,
>>
>> I was told that the fogging around the edges was caused by dirt getting
>> into the rubber seal, migrating to the bottom of the seal
>> and retain moisture which caused the fogging. That's why Ken and his crew
>> apply black silicone between the seal and the glass.
>>
>> He will also seal the edge with a sealant that keeps the moisture out of
>> the plastic center which is what he did on Double Trouble.
>>
>> Did Coach Glass tell you they had to be vacuum packed and sealed? I agree
>> a large container would be impossible because of the size
>> it would have to have VERY thick walls considering the TONS of pressure
> on
>> it at 14.7 pounds per square inch!
>>
>> You could double bag and evacuate them, that's the way parts were
> packaged
>> for Project Apollo.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Rob M.
>> The Pedantic Mechanic
>> Sydney, Australia
>> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
>> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>> USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Ken
>> Burton
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 7:27 PM
>> To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Ken. Can we have new windshields installed in Amana
>> Iowa in September.
>>
>> I am also worried about how long these will still be available. All
> North
>> American manufacturers quit making them a few years back.
>>
>>
>> As a result, the distributor of these went and got their own DOT number
>> and took over having them made. They are being made
>> off-shore and shipped in by air. So we still have them available. Every
>> year it becomes a little harder to get them in the
>> quantities we need. There are 4 stockage locations in the US all owned
> by
>> the same manufacturing company. Those in turn supply all
>> other wholesale suppliers in the US. We ended up getting
>> the ones we needed from the warehouse farthest away and then not getting
>> as many as we wanted. That was with a four month early
>> pre-order.
>>
>> We did find 6 left side ones (no right sides) NOS in a secondary
>> warehouse. They wanted double the price and been stored there for
>> several years. They were from a different manufacturer. That was not
> much
>> help because most people want both sides. Even if we
>> found matching rights elsewhere we did not want two different
>> manufacturers product in the same coach due to possible tint
>> differences.
>>
>> We are just lucky that we even have them available for a 40 year old
> coach
>> that only had a total production run of 12,000 vehicles.
>>
>>
>> I have thought about buying a pair or more and storing them in my
> basement
>> for future use. For long term storage I was told that
>> they need to be edge sealed and vacuum packed. That would one very large
>> air tight container that I would have to build or find.
>> I'm not sure how I would do that. I pictured something like a 55 gallon
>> drum only 2.5 times the diameter. Then I thought about
>> some like a 50 cal ammo can only 10 times larger. I gave up on the idea.
>> --
>> Ken Burton - N9KB
>> 76 Palm Beach
>> Hebron, Indiana
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [GMCnet] Ken. Can we have new windshields installed in Amana Iowa in September. [message #328535 is a reply to message #328533] Tue, 23 January 2018 09:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Dave Stragand is currently offline  Dave Stragand   United States
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If anyone can save me a pair of castoff foggy but uncracked windshields
within 250 miles or so of Pittsburgh, I will gladly pay you for them!

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Ronald Pottol
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 10:09 AM
To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Ken. Can we have new windshields installed in
Amana Iowa in September.

I'd think you could just bag them, and pump the air out, that should be
easy enough. Now, getting packaging that won't leak over decades... Re
pump every so often? add something that will absorb the air? Is it air,
or oxygen or water, those can be dealt with fairly easily.

Mine are kinda foggy, I was thinking I could live with it for 5 or 10
year, but perhaps I should move that up a bit.

On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 3:28 AM, Rob Mueller
wrote:

> Ken,
>
> I was told that the fogging around the edges was caused by dirt
> getting into the rubber seal, migrating to the bottom of the seal and
> retain moisture which caused the fogging. That's why Ken and his crew
> apply black silicone between the seal and the glass.
>
> He will also seal the edge with a sealant that keeps the moisture out
> of the plastic center which is what he did on Double Trouble.
>
> Did Coach Glass tell you they had to be vacuum packed and sealed? I
> agree a large container would be impossible because of the size it
> would have to have VERY thick walls considering the TONS of pressure
> on it at 14.7 pounds per square inch!
>
> You could double bag and evacuate them, that's the way parts were
> packaged for Project Apollo.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> The Pedantic Mechanic
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428 USA '75 Avion - Double
> Trouble TZE365V100426 USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Ken Burton
> Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 7:27 PM
> To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Ken. Can we have new windshields installed in
> Amana Iowa in September.
>
> I am also worried about how long these will still be available. All
> North American manufacturers quit making them a few years back.
>
>
> As a result, the distributor of these went and got their own DOT
> number and took over having them made. They are being made off-shore
> and shipped in by air. So we still have them available. Every year
> it becomes a little harder to get them in the quantities we need.
> There are 4 stockage locations in the US all owned by the same
> manufacturing company. Those in turn supply all other wholesale
> suppliers in the US. We ended up getting the ones we needed from the
> warehouse farthest away and then not getting as many as we wanted.
> That was with a four month early pre-order.
>
> We did find 6 left side ones (no right sides) NOS in a secondary
> warehouse. They wanted double the price and been stored there for
> several years. They were from a different manufacturer. That was not
> much help because most people want both sides. Even if we found
> matching rights elsewhere we did not want two different manufacturers
> product in the same coach due to possible tint differences.
>
> We are just lucky that we even have them available for a 40 year old
> coach that only had a total production run of 12,000 vehicles.
>
>
> I have thought about buying a pair or more and storing them in my
> basement for future use. For long term storage I was told that they
> need to be edge sealed and vacuum packed. That would one very large
> air tight container that I would have to build or find.
> I'm not sure how I would do that. I pictured something like a 55
> gallon drum only 2.5 times the diameter. Then I thought about some
> like a 50 cal ammo can only 10 times larger. I gave up on the idea.
> --
> Ken Burton - N9KB
> 76 Palm Beach
> Hebron, Indiana
>
>
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Ken. Can we have new windshields installed in Amana Iowa in September. [message #328536 is a reply to message #328533] Tue, 23 January 2018 09:52 Go to previous message
Ken Burton is currently offline  Ken Burton   United States
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Fogged windshields are a cosmetic thing. You can get by with them as long as it does not bother you. Most of them replaced are for fogging. I can not tell you if the replacement ones will last any longer than the original ones before they start to fog again. All you can do is try to seal them up around the edges before and after they are installed and hope for the best.

These guys have something black in a can with a dauber that they paint around the edges prior to installing them. Then after they are installed but before the lock bead is inserted they also put some polyurethane? sealant in between the rubber gasket and the glass. How much good it does over time, I do not know. They did mine about 14 years ago and they have not started to show any fogging yet. I'm not sure what causes the fogging. Is it Air or moisture or? I remember when I was young seeing all of the old cars in the junk yard with badly fogged windshields. I do not see that in the junk yards today. Maybe now the cars are crushed and recycled before they get that old. I was told by someone at Coach Glass years ago that storing them in a vacuum would prevent the fogging. I do not know anything more than that.

I have a 1978 Eleganza currently in my hangar. It spent it's last 19 years sitting inside a nice cement floor pole barn unused. I have not noticed any fogging but I also was not specifically looking it. Maybe those did not fog because it was not out in the sun fo at least 1/2 of it's life. .

I'm sorry I do not have the answers. I have never installed a windshield in my life. I have just organized the installs and watched others do it.


Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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