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Fri, 21 April 2017 07:12  |
Kingsley Coach
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Netters
Please do not throw rocks at me but the information I seek is so secret no
company will revel it for "liability" reasons.
*Bought a trailer hitch for said 2009 Dodge Grand Caravan with Sto n Go
but cannot find anywhere what to torque the bolts that hold it to the
frame to. Nothing came with the hitch by way of instructions.*
*If you guys can't help I'll just snug 'em up with my air gun to just over
100 ft/lbs??*
*Thanks guys. Remember I've asked more stupid stuff in the past *
*Mike in NS*
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1977 Eleganza II 26-3
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| Re: [GMCnet] Non GMC// Dodge Grand Caravan 2009 [message #316369 is a reply to message #316368] |
Fri, 21 April 2017 07:33  |
Dennis S
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You might be guided by a bolt torque table, see this link
https://www.boltdepot.com/fastener-information/bolts/US-Recommended-Torque.aspx
Dennis
Kingsley Coach wrote on Fri, 21 April 2017 07:12Netters
Please do not throw rocks at me but the information I seek is so secret no
company will revel it for "liability" reasons.
*Bought a trailer hitch for said 2009 Dodge Grand Caravan with Sto n Go
but cannot find anywhere what to torque the bolts that hold it to the
frame to. Nothing came with the hitch by way of instructions.*
*If you guys can't help I'll just snug 'em up with my air gun to just over
100 ft/lbs??*
*Thanks guys. Remember I've asked more stupid stuff in the past *
*Mike in NS*
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Michael Beaton
1977 Kingsley 26-11
1977 Eleganza II 26-3
Antigonish, NS
Life is too short to hold a grudge; slash some tires and call it even !
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| Re: [GMCnet] Non GMC// Dodge Grand Caravan 2009 [message #316370 is a reply to message #316368] |
Fri, 21 April 2017 07:42 |
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Matt Colie
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Kingsley Coach wrote on Fri, 21 April 2017 08:12Netters
Please do not throw rocks at me but the information I seek is so secret no company will revel it for "liability" reasons.
*Bought a trailer hitch for said 2009 Dodge Grand Caravan with Sto n Go but cannot find anywhere what to torque the bolts that hold it to the frame to. Nothing came with the hitch by way of instructions.*
*If you guys can't help I'll just snug 'em up with my air gun to just over 100 ft/lbs??*
*Thanks guys. Remember I've asked more stupid stuff in the past *
*Mike in NS*
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Michael Beaton
1977 Kingsley 26-11
1977 Eleganza II 26-3
Antigonish, NS
Life is too short to hold a grudge; slash some tires and call it even !
Mike,
In a case such as this, the tension (what you really are creating with the assembly torque) is really not important as it is an assembly that you are trying to make seal. The real reason for the tension is two fold. First is that adequate tension will prevent the fastener from loosening with load cycles. The second is that it gets you some free joint shear strength with the inter-element friction. OK??
Now, all that said, if you dig around on the web you can find tables for maximum torque for common fasteners by specification (size, pitch and grade). If you don't want to trust a good reef on a wench, use the table.
Me, I'd just pull on it till the lock washers go flat then a little more.
Matt - once a fastener engineer at an OE.
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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| Re: [GMCnet] Non GMC// Dodge Grand Caravan 2009 [message #316378 is a reply to message #316370] |
Fri, 21 April 2017 10:03 |
Kingsley Coach
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Thanks boys...what did people do before the GMC Net ??
Mike in NS
On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 9:42 AM, Matt Colie wrote:
> Kingsley Coach wrote on Fri, 21 April 2017 08:12
>> Netters
>> Please do not throw rocks at me but the information I seek is so secret
> no company will revel it for "liability" reasons.
>>
>> *Bought a trailer hitch for said 2009 Dodge Grand Caravan with Sto n Go
> but cannot find anywhere what to torque the bolts that hold it to the
>> frame to. Nothing came with the hitch by way of instructions.*
>>
>> *If you guys can't help I'll just snug 'em up with my air gun to just
> over 100 ft/lbs??*
>>
>> *Thanks guys. Remember I've asked more stupid stuff in the past *
>>
>> *Mike in NS*
>> --
>> Michael Beaton
>> 1977 Kingsley 26-11
>> 1977 Eleganza II 26-3
>> Antigonish, NS
>>
>> Life is too short to hold a grudge; slash some tires and call it even !
>
> Mike,
>
> In a case such as this, the tension (what you really are creating with the
> assembly torque) is really not important as it is an assembly that you are
> trying to make seal. The real reason for the tension is two fold. First
> is that adequate tension will prevent the fastener from loosening with load
> cycles. The second is that it gets you some free joint shear strength
> with the inter-element friction. OK??
>
> Now, all that said, if you dig around on the web you can find tables for
> maximum torque for common fasteners by specification (size, pitch and
> grade).
> If you don't want to trust a good reef on a wench, use the table.
>
> Me, I'd just pull on it till the lock washers go flat then a little more.
>
> Matt - once a fastener engineer at an OE.
> --
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> Still Loving OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
> SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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| Re: [GMCnet] Non GMC// Dodge Grand Caravan 2009 [message #316388 is a reply to message #316386] |
Fri, 21 April 2017 11:51 |
James Hupy
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Any Draw Tite, Blue Ox, Towmaster, etc hitch and tow bar equipment that I
have ever installed ALWAYS INCLUDED very specific torque specs for the
install. Be sure to read the installing instructions very carefully. But,
if it was a used hitch off of eBay or Craigslist, you might not have gotten
them. Check the websites for the manufacturer. Lacking that, use SAE torque
charts for the size and grade of fasteners that you are using. "Just a snug
pull on the wrench" don't get it done here.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 GMC ROYALE 403
On Apr 21, 2017 9:28 AM, "Christopher Brewer" wrote:
> ETrailer.com has many of the installation instructions listed with the
> application.
> Worth a look.
> Close to the bottom of the page for
> the specific hitch.
> C.
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> Chattanooga Tn
> 1975 Palm Beach
> Still mostly original
> EV-6010 Norcold 962 Sully's Wireless Air Mach 15k
> Gettin better, $1 at a time...
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| Re: [GMCnet] Non GMC// Dodge Grand Caravan 2009 [message #316415 is a reply to message #316388] |
Fri, 21 April 2017 17:21 |
Kingsley Coach
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Jim
Hard to believe but the Scotsman bought something new!
It was free shipping and when Fex Ex delivered the end was out of the box.
If there ever was some paper in there , it was long gone.
I'll use a torque chart and a little more..
I brought home 7 sheets of plywood with the seats Stowed and door closed.
This thing is almost as good as a VW minivan :)
Mike....in NS
On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 1:51 PM, James Hupy wrote:
> Any Draw Tite, Blue Ox, Towmaster, etc hitch and tow bar equipment that I
> have ever installed ALWAYS INCLUDED very specific torque specs for the
> install. Be sure to read the installing instructions very carefully. But,
> if it was a used hitch off of eBay or Craigslist, you might not have gotten
> them. Check the websites for the manufacturer. Lacking that, use SAE torque
> charts for the size and grade of fasteners that you are using. "Just a snug
> pull on the wrench" don't get it done here.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, Or
> 78 GMC ROYALE 403
>
> On Apr 21, 2017 9:28 AM, "Christopher Brewer" wrote:
>
>> ETrailer.com has many of the installation instructions listed with the
>> application.
>> Worth a look.
>> Close to the bottom of the page for
>> the specific hitch.
>> C.
>> --
>> Christopher Brewer
>> Chattanooga Tn
>> 1975 Palm Beach
>> Still mostly original
>> EV-6010 Norcold 962 Sully's Wireless Air Mach 15k
>> Gettin better, $1 at a time...
>>
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1977 Eleganza II 26-3
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| Re: [GMCnet] Non GMC// Dodge Grand Caravan 2009 [message #316417 is a reply to message #316368] |
Fri, 21 April 2017 18:27 |
James Hupy
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Mike, I had a VW Kombi Double Cab w/the Conestoga option. Handy for hauling
stuff. Looks like the stow away mid and rear seat option on the mini vans
would be great, too. I know you will properly secure the fasteners on the
hitch, but my msg was kinda for the neophytes among us.
Jim Hupy
On Apr 21, 2017 3:22 PM, "Kingsley Coach" wrote:
Jim
Hard to believe but the Scotsman bought something new!
It was free shipping and when Fex Ex delivered the end was out of the box.
If there ever was some paper in there , it was long gone.
I'll use a torque chart and a little more..
I brought home 7 sheets of plywood with the seats Stowed and door closed.
This thing is almost as good as a VW minivan :)
Mike....in NS
On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 1:51 PM, James Hupy wrote:
> Any Draw Tite, Blue Ox, Towmaster, etc hitch and tow bar equipment that I
> have ever installed ALWAYS INCLUDED very specific torque specs for the
> install. Be sure to read the installing instructions very carefully. But,
> if it was a used hitch off of eBay or Craigslist, you might not have
gotten
> them. Check the websites for the manufacturer. Lacking that, use SAE
torque
> charts for the size and grade of fasteners that you are using. "Just a
snug
> pull on the wrench" don't get it done here.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, Or
> 78 GMC ROYALE 403
>
> On Apr 21, 2017 9:28 AM, "Christopher Brewer" wrote:
>
>> ETrailer.com has many of the installation instructions listed with the
>> application.
>> Worth a look.
>> Close to the bottom of the page for
>> the specific hitch.
>> C.
>> --
>> Christopher Brewer
>> Chattanooga Tn
>> 1975 Palm Beach
>> Still mostly original
>> EV-6010 Norcold 962 Sully's Wireless Air Mach 15k
>> Gettin better, $1 at a time...
>>
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1977 Eleganza II 26-3
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| Re: [GMCnet] Non GMC// Dodge Grand Caravan 2009 [message #316421 is a reply to message #316417] |
Fri, 21 April 2017 19:27 |
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And wouldn't the Double Cab make a nice toad today !
Mike
On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 8:27 PM, James Hupy wrote:
> Mike, I had a VW Kombi Double Cab w/the Conestoga option. Handy for hauling
> stuff. Looks like the stow away mid and rear seat option on the mini vans
> would be great, too. I know you will properly secure the fasteners on the
> hitch, but my msg was kinda for the neophytes among us.
> Jim Hupy
>
> On Apr 21, 2017 3:22 PM, "Kingsley Coach" wrote:
>
> Jim
>
> Hard to believe but the Scotsman bought something new!
> It was free shipping and when Fex Ex delivered the end was out of the box.
> If there ever was some paper in there , it was long gone.
> I'll use a torque chart and a little more..
>
> I brought home 7 sheets of plywood with the seats Stowed and door closed.
> This thing is almost as good as a VW minivan :)
>
> Mike....in NS
>
> On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 1:51 PM, James Hupy wrote:
>
>> Any Draw Tite, Blue Ox, Towmaster, etc hitch and tow bar equipment that I
>> have ever installed ALWAYS INCLUDED very specific torque specs for the
>> install. Be sure to read the installing instructions very carefully. But,
>> if it was a used hitch off of eBay or Craigslist, you might not have
> gotten
>> them. Check the websites for the manufacturer. Lacking that, use SAE
> torque
>> charts for the size and grade of fasteners that you are using. "Just a
> snug
>> pull on the wrench" don't get it done here.
>> Jim Hupy
>> Salem, Or
>> 78 GMC ROYALE 403
>>
>> On Apr 21, 2017 9:28 AM, "Christopher Brewer"
> wrote:
>>
>>> ETrailer.com has many of the installation instructions listed with the
>>> application.
>>> Worth a look.
>>> Close to the bottom of the page for
>>> the specific hitch.
>>> C.
>>> --
>>> Christopher Brewer
>>> Chattanooga Tn
>>> 1975 Palm Beach
>>> Still mostly original
>>> EV-6010 Norcold 962 Sully's Wireless Air Mach 15k
>>> Gettin better, $1 at a time...
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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> 1977 Kingsley 26-11
> 1977 Eleganza II 26-3
> Antigonish, NS
>
> Life is too short to hold a grudge; slash some tires and call it even !
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| Re: [GMCnet] Non GMC// Dodge Grand Caravan 2009 [message #316422 is a reply to message #316421] |
Fri, 21 April 2017 19:29 |
James Hupy
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Yes, probably make a great one.
Jim Hupy
On Apr 21, 2017 5:27 PM, "Kingsley Coach" wrote:
> And wouldn't the Double Cab make a nice toad today !
>
> Mike
>
> On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 8:27 PM, James Hupy wrote:
>
>> Mike, I had a VW Kombi Double Cab w/the Conestoga option. Handy for
> hauling
>> stuff. Looks like the stow away mid and rear seat option on the mini vans
>> would be great, too. I know you will properly secure the fasteners on the
>> hitch, but my msg was kinda for the neophytes among us.
>> Jim Hupy
>>
>> On Apr 21, 2017 3:22 PM, "Kingsley Coach" wrote:
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> Hard to believe but the Scotsman bought something new!
>> It was free shipping and when Fex Ex delivered the end was out of the
> box.
>> If there ever was some paper in there , it was long gone.
>> I'll use a torque chart and a little more..
>>
>> I brought home 7 sheets of plywood with the seats Stowed and door
> closed.
>> This thing is almost as good as a VW minivan :)
>>
>> Mike....in NS
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 1:51 PM, James Hupy
> wrote:
>>
>>> Any Draw Tite, Blue Ox, Towmaster, etc hitch and tow bar equipment
> that I
>>> have ever installed ALWAYS INCLUDED very specific torque specs for the
>>> install. Be sure to read the installing instructions very carefully.
> But,
>>> if it was a used hitch off of eBay or Craigslist, you might not have
>> gotten
>>> them. Check the websites for the manufacturer. Lacking that, use SAE
>> torque
>>> charts for the size and grade of fasteners that you are using. "Just a
>> snug
>>> pull on the wrench" don't get it done here.
>>> Jim Hupy
>>> Salem, Or
>>> 78 GMC ROYALE 403
>>>
>>> On Apr 21, 2017 9:28 AM, "Christopher Brewer"
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> ETrailer.com has many of the installation instructions listed with
> the
>>>> application.
>>>> Worth a look.
>>>> Close to the bottom of the page for
>>>> the specific hitch.
>>>> C.
>>>> --
>>>> Christopher Brewer
>>>> Chattanooga Tn
>>>> 1975 Palm Beach
>>>> Still mostly original
>>>> EV-6010 Norcold 962 Sully's Wireless Air Mach 15k
>>>> Gettin better, $1 at a time...
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> GMCnet mailing list
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Michael Beaton
>> 1977 Kingsley 26-11
>> 1977 Eleganza II 26-3
>> Antigonish, NS
>>
>> Life is too short to hold a grudge; slash some tires and call it even !
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> 1977 Kingsley 26-11
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> Life is too short to hold a grudge; slash some tires and call it even !
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