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Re: [GMCnet] Interior Front Cap Headliner Removal? [message #314871] Sat, 18 March 2017 17:15 Go to next message
James Hupy is currently offline  James Hupy   United States
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Warm up your vocabulary. Check libation supplies. Start with rear view
mirror, proceed to sun visor of your choice. Proceed to unscrew the nut
that holds tension on the spring on central shaft. Swear, twist, swear,
twist, repeat until nut is free. Repeat on other side of coach. The rest is
self apparent. Remove speaker/light grills and remove hidden screws, unplug
harness connectors. Remove hidden screws in curtain tracks. Have someone
help lower the cap so it does not break. It will be quite brittle. Don't
think I left anything out. Oh, yeah, do not partake of libations until cap
is safely out. Then, relax with a cool one, or two.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 GMC ROYALE 403

On Mar 18, 2017 3:04 PM, "Bryan Hartman" wrote:

Started chasing a leak and I need to remove the front cabin plastic
headliner. I found a few threads on the restoration. I assume there is a
"How To"
somewhere but I couldn't find one.

Can someone post up a link? Or just let me know the best removal steps?

Thanks,
--Bryan
--
1977 Palm Beach

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Re: [GMCnet] Interior Front Cap Headliner Removal? [message #314872 is a reply to message #314871] Sat, 18 March 2017 17:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
bryhart is currently offline  bryhart   United States
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Thank you sir. Practicing my profanity now...Based on your location and your description, you might even go outside in an hour and see if you can hear me trying.

1977 Palm Beach
Re: [GMCnet] Interior Front Cap Headliner Removal? [message #314874 is a reply to message #314872] Sat, 18 March 2017 18:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ken Henderson is currently offline  Ken Henderson   United States
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Bryan,

Believe me, Jim's not kidding about those sun visor nuts. They will be
HARD to turn, right down to the very last degree. A hint:

1. Turn the wrench and the visor together in the desired direction
(Righty-Tighty/Lefty-Losey)
2. Hold what you've gained with the wrench while returning the visor to
where you started,
3. Move the wrench to match the visor.
4. Got to 1., preceding, MANY times.

Before you put it all back together, lubricate that spring, and wire brush
the threads. It will still be hard to assemble, but not as bad as during
removal.

Ken H.


On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 6:54 PM, Bryan Hartman wrote:

> Thank you sir. Practicing my profanity now...Based on your location and
> your description, you might even go outside in an hour and see if you can
> hear
> me trying.
> --
> 1977 Palm Beach
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76 X-Palm Beach
Re: [GMCnet] Interior Front Cap Headliner Removal? [message #314875 is a reply to message #314874] Sat, 18 March 2017 18:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mr ERFisher is currently offline  Mr ERFisher   United States
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Read here
http://gmcmotorhome.info/living.html#head


On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 4:06 PM Ken Henderson
wrote:

> Bryan,
>
> Believe me, Jim's not kidding about those sun visor nuts. They will be
> HARD to turn, right down to the very last degree. A hint:
>
> 1. Turn the wrench and the visor together in the desired direction
> (Righty-Tighty/Lefty-Losey)
> 2. Hold what you've gained with the wrench while returning the visor to
> where you started,
> 3. Move the wrench to match the visor.
> 4. Got to 1., preceding, MANY times.
>
> Before you put it all back together, lubricate that spring, and wire brush
> the threads. It will still be hard to assemble, but not as bad as during
> removal.
>
> Ken H.
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 6:54 PM, Bryan Hartman wrote:
>
>> Thank you sir. Practicing my profanity now...Based on your location and
>> your description, you might even go outside in an hour and see if you can
>> hear
>> me trying.
>> --
>> 1977 Palm Beach
>>
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Re: [GMCnet] Interior Front Cap Headliner Removal? [message #314907 is a reply to message #314871] Sun, 19 March 2017 14:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
bryhart is currently offline  bryhart   United States
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Visors are out. Speaker/light grills are out. 1/2 of the hidden nuts in the curtain rail are out.

the other 1/2 are just spinning in place. (see pic)

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s3/bryhart/GMC%20-%20Conroe%20TX%201977%20Palm%20Beach/71535790-12ca-43f1-a838-6017e52ef02f.jpg

Any tricks here or am I just going to have to drill them?

***edit - I assume the curtain rail comes off with the cap, correct? And if so, I am going to have to drill the rivets to remove it anyway.


1977 Palm Beach

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Re: [GMCnet] Interior Front Cap Headliner Removal? [message #314910 is a reply to message #314907] Sun, 19 March 2017 14:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
James Hupy is currently offline  James Hupy   United States
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Drexel tool with cut off wheel, or carbide burr. Be careful here. Work
slowly and precisely. Tedious work, but possible.
Jim Hupy

On Mar 19, 2017 12:29 PM, "Bryan Hartman" wrote:

> Visors are out. Speaker/light grills are out. 1/2 of the hidden nuts in
> the curtain rail are out.
>
> the other 1/2 are just spinning in place. (see pic)
>
> http://s148.photobucket.com/user/bryhart/media/GMC%20-%
> 20Conroe%20TX%201977%20Palm%20Beach/71535790-12ca-43f1-
> a838-6017e52ef02f.jpg.html
>
> Any tricks here or am I just going to have to drill them?
> --
> 1977 Palm Beach
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Re: [GMCnet] Interior Front Cap Headliner Removal? [message #314917 is a reply to message #314907] Sun, 19 March 2017 15:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ken Henderson is currently offline  Ken Henderson   United States
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Bryan,

If you plan to install Guske cockpit blinds, now is the time to do it
because they use an different curtain rail. No use putting the original
back in only to take it back down for replacement.

Ken H.


On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 3:28 PM, Bryan Hartman wrote:

> Visors are out. Speaker/light grills are out. 1/2 of the hidden nuts in
> the curtain rail are out.
>
> the other 1/2 are just spinning in place. (see pic)
>
> http://s148.photobucket.com/user/bryhart/media/GMC%20-%
> 20Conroe%20TX%201977%20Palm%20Beach/71535790-12ca-43f1-
> a838-6017e52ef02f.jpg.html
>
> Any tricks here or am I just going to have to drill them?
> --
> 1977 Palm Beach
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Re: [GMCnet] Interior Front Cap Headliner Removal? [message #314929 is a reply to message #314871] Sun, 19 March 2017 18:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
bryhart is currently offline  bryhart   United States
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She's Out! Thanks everyone. Now to wait for rain to help find leaks. Luckily I am in Oregon so I won't have to wait long.

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s3/bryhart/GMC%20-%20Conroe%20TX%201977%20Palm%20Beach/B8A3DBE2-4E9D-41C4-9B62-D402C762EB7D.jpg

Next Question...on each back corner of the headliner it looked notched. The back lip of the headliner was tucked on top of the roof support while the piece that came down the side was outside the support. Is that factory or did someone do this as part of a previous reinstall?

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s3/bryhart/GMC%20-%20Conroe%20TX%201977%20Palm%20Beach/4f60d7ec-cb31-45bb-bd2e-c6295b7d121c.jpg


1977 Palm Beach
Re: [GMCnet] Interior Front Cap Headliner Removal? [message #314932 is a reply to message #314929] Sun, 19 March 2017 19:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
James Hupy is currently offline  James Hupy   United States
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Bryan, if that notch has the appearance of a factory cut, then it MIGHT be.
If you have a Royale or a Birchaven, they left the factory without any
interior except the front and rear caps. Upfitters did the headliners.
Someone like Jim Bounds might know more.
Jim Hupy

On Mar 19, 2017 4:30 PM, "Bryan Hartman" wrote:

> She's Out! Thanks everyone. Now to wait for rain to help find leaks.
> Luckily I am in Oregon so I won't have to wait long.
>
> http://s148.photobucket.com/user/bryhart/media/GMC%20-%
> 20Conroe%20TX%201977%20Palm%20Beach/B8A3DBE2-4E9D-41C4-
> 9B62-D402C762EB7D.jpg.html
>
> Next Question...on each back corner of the headliner it looked notched.
> The back lip of the headliner was tucked on top of the roof support while
> the
> piece that came down the side was outside the support. Is that factory or
> did someone do this as part of a previous reinstall?
>
> http://s148.photobucket.com/user/bryhart/media/GMC%20-%
> 20Conroe%20TX%201977%20Palm%20Beach/4f60d7ec-cb31-45bb-
> bd2e-c6295b7d121c.jpg.html
> --
> 1977 Palm Beach
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Re: [GMCnet] Interior Front Cap Headliner Removal? [message #314947 is a reply to message #314932] Mon, 20 March 2017 09:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Bryan,
If you are interested in the front windshield cockpit pleated blinds let me know.
We have recently acquired the Guske shade business.
Three years ago we purchased their GMC coach. Now they have passed the shade business on to us.
Great people!


Gary Coaster
1977 GMC Eleganza ll
GMC RV Day Night Shade Sales
GMCShades@gmail.com


> On Mar 19, 2017, at 5:23 PM, James Hupy wrote:
>
> Bryan, if that notch has the appearance of a factory cut, then it MIGHT be.
> If you have a Royale or a Birchaven, they left the factory without any
> interior except the front and rear caps. Upfitters did the headliners.
> Someone like Jim Bounds might know more.
> Jim Hupy
>
>> On Mar 19, 2017 4:30 PM, "Bryan Hartman" wrote:
>>
>> She's Out! Thanks everyone. Now to wait for rain to help find leaks.
>> Luckily I am in Oregon so I won't have to wait long.
>>
>> http://s148.photobucket.com/user/bryhart/media/GMC%20-%
>> 20Conroe%20TX%201977%20Palm%20Beach/B8A3DBE2-4E9D-41C4-
>> 9B62-D402C762EB7D.jpg.html
>>
>> Next Question...on each back corner of the headliner it looked notched.
>> The back lip of the headliner was tucked on top of the roof support while
>> the
>> piece that came down the side was outside the support. Is that factory or
>> did someone do this as part of a previous reinstall?
>>
>> http://s148.photobucket.com/user/bryhart/media/GMC%20-%
>> 20Conroe%20TX%201977%20Palm%20Beach/4f60d7ec-cb31-45bb-
>> bd2e-c6295b7d121c.jpg.html
>> --
>> 1977 Palm Beach
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Re: [GMCnet] Interior Front Cap Headliner Removal? [message #314964 is a reply to message #314871] Mon, 20 March 2017 15:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Dont know if yours has it or not, but when I pulled my headliner down There were autographs on the underside from Vickie and Ida Dated 03-21-77. Yup thats 40 years ago tomorrow.......

I signed my name and date last year next to theirs when I put it back up. Maybe in another 40 years Ill check it again.

I thought that was the BEST part of taking my headliner down for fresh paint.



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Re: [GMCnet] Interior Front Cap Headliner Removal? [message #315781 is a reply to message #314871] Mon, 10 April 2017 00:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Curious why you aren't pressurizing the coach and then using soapy water to find the leaks?

Re: [GMCnet] Interior Front Cap Headliner Removal? [message #315787 is a reply to message #314964] Mon, 10 April 2017 09:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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77Royale wrote on Mon, 20 March 2017 15:41
Dont know if yours has it or not, but when I pulled my headliner down There were autographs on the underside from Vickie and Ida Dated 03-21-77. Yup thats 40 years ago tomorrow.......


Same on mine but a couple months earlier:
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/new-cabinets-2finterior-mods/p55848-painting-interior-front-cap.html
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/6502/IMG_20140902_115603_497.jpg

That makes me wonder if the front and rear caps were supplied by GMC to the upfitters. Mine is an Eleganza II and yours was built by Coachman.


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Re: [GMCnet] Interior Front Cap Headliner Removal? [message #315823 is a reply to message #314929] Mon, 10 April 2017 23:31 Go to previous message
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Bryan,

Hope U intend to insulate the roof areas after the leaks are found. It will feel warmer/cooler depending on the season.
Suggest to foam glue (and make measured notes) 1 or 2 wood blocks for the purpose of holding up
up the capon center area. Over time they do tend to sag a bit.
When reinstalling cap use SS screws.



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