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| Re: [GMCnet] GMCMI (International) rallies mapped out [message #313354 is a reply to message #313345] |
Thu, 16 February 2017 19:31   |
Ken Henderson
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Karen,
Out of curiosity, I duplicated your spreadsheet and extended it to show the
figures after the now-scheduled convention in Tucson. The percentages are
only slightly altered: West 22% vs 21%; Central 46% vs 47%; East 32%
unchanged.
Then to see what it would take to reach your ideal 30%/40%/30%, I started
adding conventions in the West: To reach 28%/43%/29% would require that
the 5 conventions following the the Fall 2018 one would also have to be
held in the West (through Spring 2021). So, I guess it could be said that
the West has been shortchanged over the years.
Bottom line, I don't think there's any possibility of ever "catching up" to
the parity of 3/4/3, so perhaps the objective should be basically what it
has been: We'd LIKE to have more conventions farther West, but...
Even with all this number crunching, an "equitable distribution" really
hasn't been calculated. Seems to me we'd have to plot every GMCMI member's
geographic coordinates, determine the center of those and then figure some
distribution around that central location. I'm not up to it. :-)
I don't know that this adds anything to the discussion, but it did satisfy
my curiosity, and convinced me that the GMCMI management over years of the
club's existence has done an amazingly good job of choosing locations.
Ken H.
On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 6:38 PM, KB wrote:
> I've updated the map to include GMCMI members per state, plus totals and
> percentages by region.
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> By my count, out of every 10 rallies, roughly 3 should be in the west, 4
> in the center, and 3 in the east.
>
> Nine percent of GMCMI members are in Canada, so there should in theory be
> some rallies there too, though I know
> having to get equipment across the border could be too difficult to be
> feasible.
>
> The updated map can be found here:
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/international/p62151-gmcmh
> i-rallynums.html
>
>
> Karen
> 1975 26'
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMCMI (International) rallies mapped out [message #313356 is a reply to message #313354] |
Thu, 16 February 2017 20:27 |
A Hamilto
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Ken Henderson wrote on Thu, 16 February 2017 19:31Karen,
Out of curiosity, I duplicated your spreadsheet and extended it to show the
figures after the now-scheduled convention in Tucson. The percentages are
only slightly altered: West 22% vs 21%; Central 46% vs 47%; East 32%
unchanged.
Then to see what it would take to reach your ideal 30%/40%/30%, I started
adding conventions in the West: To reach 28%/43%/29% would require that
the 5 conventions following the the Fall 2018 one would also have to be
held in the West (through Spring 2021). So, I guess it could be said that
the West has been shortchanged over the years.
Bottom line, I don't think there's any possibility of ever "catching up" to
the parity of 3/4/3, so perhaps the objective should be basically what it
has been: We'd LIKE to have more conventions farther West, but...
Even with all this number crunching, an "equitable distribution" really
hasn't been calculated. Seems to me we'd have to plot every GMCMI member's
geographic coordinates, determine the center of those and then figure some
distribution around that central location. I'm not up to it. 
I don't know that this adds anything to the discussion, but it did satisfy
my curiosity, and convinced me that the GMCMI management over years of the
club's existence has done an amazingly good job of choosing locations.
Ken H. When you factor in crossing the rockies, a convention in the west would require 70% of the people (east and central) to climb over them (or drive the desert southwest, almost as much fun). Then add the sierra nevadas for a California location. Whereas a convention in the center or east only 30% of the people (west) would have to climb them.
Attendance is the driver, and 70% of the people live east of the rockies, so is there any mystery why the west gets left out?
Scoff if you want, but the mountains are an obstacle (not to mention distance). I wouldn't expect the folks out west to be any more likely to want to make that drive east (and return) than the folks east and central want to make that drive west(and return). A meeting east of the rockies gets you an ROI of 70%, west gets you 30%.
I did the math for you.
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMCMI (International) rallies mapped out [message #313359 is a reply to message #313356] |
Thu, 16 February 2017 21:19 |
Carl S.
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I don't think "the Rockies" have anything to do with it. The big rallies are held where the population of GMC owners is the highest, including the multi club rally at Coos Bay. Simple as that. Those of us who live in the West don't mind climbing mountains. We do it all the time. If we didn't, our travels would be rather limited. The first GMCMI I was able to go to was in Pueblo, CO (on the east side of the Rockies) and was well attended. In fact, Western States had a joint rally with GMCMI.
Arizona, California, Nevada, Utah, Oregon, Washington, Idaho, etc, and even Colorado are a long drive from most GMCMI members. That's the bottom line. It's the same reason my wife and I, as a working couple, have never made it any further east then Shawnee, OK for a rally, or any other reason, for that matter. Those longer trips will have to wait until we retire.
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
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| Re: GMCMI (International) rallies mapped out [message #313366 is a reply to message #313223] |
Fri, 17 February 2017 00:07 |
Ken Burton
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Here is another factor that you need to consider. When you plan a rally, you need to draw a circle around that site at various distances and guess how many will make the drive to attend. As an example you will get a certain percentage within a 200 mile radius circle, and then a lesser percentage at 500 miles. There will be an even lesser percentage at 1000 or 2000 miles. So when you plan a rally the on one of the borders, east, west, and south, the radius of the circles remain the same, but close 1/2 of area within the circles has no GMC population. This is because a good portion of the area is in an ocean or in Mexico.
So planning rallies farther away from those USA boundaries and more centrally located makes sense. I personally limit my travel to about 800 to 1000 miles for a rally. I'll go farther if there is some draw in the area to make us want to go there. As an example, quite a few years ago GMCMI and Western States planned their rallies back to back in Rapid City and Estes Park. The draw there was two rallies back to back on the same trip in an area that I would like to visit again. Eastern States had one scheduled for the same time in Pennsylvania that was much closer, but the draw for us was Rapid City and Estes Park scheduled back to back.
One other damper on attendance is holding rallies repeatedly at the same sites. As an example the current one is in Oklahoma at the same site that we used a few years back. Laurie and I decided today that we will not be attending because of the same site selection (no draw for us) and the distance. I feel the same about Elkhart this fall but it is so close to us that we will go to it.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMCMI (International) rallies mapped out [message #313378 is a reply to message #313366] |
Fri, 17 February 2017 09:56 |
James Hupy
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I am frequently involved in the planning and execution of rallies here on
the west coast. With GMC Western States, they are frequently at least 2
days drive for us in Oregon, the Canadians, and Washington Staters, and
sometimes 3 days one way travel. Always over mountain passes over 5000 feet
elevation. So, when you add to and from and rally days together, it is a
chunk of time that working folks have to plan well in advance for. Our
joint club rallies have had 100 plus coaches in attendance, and quite a few
hotel/motel guests as well. Vendor attendance is frequently an issue, we
never see Frank Jenkins, or Dave Lenzi, or Cinnebar out west, AND WE DO
UNDERSTAND WHY. Same reason I don't travel to Tennessee and points east of
there. But Jim K. always shows up, because it is close for him to do so.
Food service, tech seminars, etc. are the same no matter which coast you
are on. Kim does a big big job. I know, I have been involved in it for
years. Rob Muller and Jim Bounds have no problem hopping on a jet and
flying out, Dick Paterson either. We will always arrange ground transport
for anyone that needs it. Then, there is the old adage, "Well, we have
always done it that way" that I hear from members. At this point, I have
more questions than answers.
Jim Hupy, President, GMC CASCADERS
Salem, Or
78 GMC ROYALE 403
On Feb 16, 2017 10:08 PM, "Ken Burton" wrote:
> Here is another factor that you need to consider. When you plan a rally,
> you need to draw a circle around that site at various distances and guess
> how many will make the drive to attend. As an example you will get a
> certain percentage within a 200 mile radius circle, and then a lesser
> percentage at 500 miles. There will be an even lesser percentage at 1000
> or 2000 miles. So when you plan a rally the on one of the borders, east,
> west, and south, the radius of the circles remain the same, but close 1/2
> of area within the circles has no GMC population. This is because a good
> portion of the area is in an ocean or in Mexico.
>
> So planning rallies farther away from those USA boundaries and more
> centrally located makes sense. I personally limit my travel to about 800
> to 1000
> miles for a rally. I'll go farther if there is some draw in the area to
> make us want to go there. As an example, quite a few years ago GMCMI and
> Western States planned their rallies back to back in Rapid City and Estes
> Park. The draw there was two rallies back to back on the same trip in an
> area that I would like to visit again. Eastern States had one scheduled
> for the same time in Pennsylvania that was much closer, but the draw for us
> was Rapid City and Estes Park scheduled back to back.
>
> One other damper on attendance is holding rallies repeatedly at the same
> sites. As an example the current one is in Oklahoma at the same site that
> we
> used a few years back. Laurie and I decided today that we will not be
> attending because of the same site selection (no draw for us) and the
> distance.
> I feel the same about Elkhart this fall but it is so close to us that we
> will go to it.
> --
> Ken Burton - N9KB
> 76 Palm Beach
> Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMCMI (International) rallies mapped out [message #313379 is a reply to message #313366] |
Fri, 17 February 2017 10:07 |
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Here is another factor that you need to consider. When you plan a rally, you need to draw a circle around that site at various distances and guess
how many will make the drive to attend. As an example you will get a certain percentage within a 200 mile radius circle, and then a lesser
percentage at 500 miles. There will be an even lesser percentage at 1000 or 2000 miles. So when you plan a rally the on one of the borders, east,
west, and south, the radius of the circles remain the same, but close 1/2 of area within the circles has no GMC population. This is because a good
portion of the area is in an ocean or in Mexico.
So planning rallies farther away from those USA boundaries and more centrally located makes sense. I personally limit my travel to about 800 to 1000
miles for a rally. I'll go farther if there is some draw in the area to make us want to go there. As an example, quite a few years ago GMCMI and
Western States planned their rallies back to back in Rapid City and Estes Park. The draw there was two rallies back to back on the same trip in an
area that I would like to visit again. Eastern States had one scheduled for the same time in Pennsylvania that was much closer, but the draw for us
was Rapid City and Estes Park scheduled back to back.
One other damper on attendance is holding rallies repeatedly at the same sites. As an example the current one is in Oklahoma at the same site that we
used a few years back. Laurie and I decided today that we will not be attending because of the same site selection (no draw for us) and the distance.
I feel the same about Elkhart this fall but it is so close to us that we will go to it.
--
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMCMI (International) rallies mapped out [message #313380 is a reply to message #313378] |
Fri, 17 February 2017 10:13 |
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James Hupy wrote on Fri, 17 February 2017 10:56Vendor attendance is frequently an issue, we
never see Frank Jenkins, or Dave Lenzi, or Cinnebar out west, AND WE DO
UNDERSTAND WHY.
To be fair, I'm not sure any of us have seen Cinnabar at a rally in the almost 10 years I've owned my coach.
Thanks,
Jeremy Knezek
1976 Glenbrook
Birmingham, AL
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| Re: GMCMI (International) rallies mapped out [message #313387 is a reply to message #313223] |
Fri, 17 February 2017 12:37 |
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What is being discussed here is a lot like what we went through with Eastern States. I ran an survey and the most important thing to come out of it was the drive time verses rally time issue. For this reason, Mary carefully plotted the locations of all the members (by zipcode) and then we looked in the middle of that profusion. It still didn't work as well as we hoped. People just do not want to drive two days for a two day rally.
No, I don't have any answers or solutions.
What I was really hoping to do was put a number of the seminar session available on line real time. Then we could have people at home base and some at mini-telerallies all participating in the discussions and hearing the answers. There are packages to do this, but they were outside my budget limits. That was years ago and I don't know about now.
We are planning on Shawnee, were there before and we are doing it is four days this time when we did it two the last, but Mary is retired now. You know, if you don't have to burn vacation time for it, a slower run is the same cost as faster when you don't buy crampgrounds. The fuel cost is the same (maybe less) and we eat the same on the road as we do at home.
Matt - looking forward to the SEMNO lunch tomorrow
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMCMI (International) rallies mapped out [message #313408 is a reply to message #313356] |
Sat, 18 February 2017 02:08 |
KB
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A Hamilto wrote on Thu, 16 February 2017 18:27When you factor in crossing the rockies, a convention in the west would require 70% of the people (east and central) to climb over them (or drive the desert southwest, almost as much fun). Then add the sierra nevadas for a California location. Whereas a convention in the center or east only 30% of the people (west) would have to climb them.
Attendance is the driver, and 70% of the people live east of the rockies, so is there any mystery why the west gets left out?
Scoff if you want, but the mountains are an obstacle (not to mention distance). I wouldn't expect the folks out west to be any more likely to want to make that drive east (and return) than the folks east and central want to make that drive west(and return). A meeting east of the rockies gets you an ROI of 70%, west gets you 30%.
I did the math for you.
By that logic, there would NEVER be a western rally.
Proximity matters. A LOT. The time and expense rapidly becomes prohibitive as the distance grows, even without mountains.
If you always picked the one most central site, you'd basically be in Indiana for every rally east of the Rockies, and it'd
still be too far for a lot of folks. Looking at the numbers, most members DON'T attend any single rally, no matter where it's held.
Either GMCMI serves the west, or it doesn't. Personally, I'd be pretty happy if we could just get
to a 3/4/3 model going forward, never mind the past.
I'd imagine after a solid 10 years of virtually nothing but eastern rallies, some folks might welcome a chance to go west.
It's beautiful out here, the weather's often lovely, and there's a lot of really cool stuff. Not to mention a whole
bunch of really nice GMCers.
And as others have opined, you don't always have to bring you coach (if you can afford it).
Planes fly west as well as east.
Karen
1975 26'
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| Re: GMCMI (International) rallies mapped out [message #313410 is a reply to message #313223] |
Sat, 18 February 2017 03:37 |
Handyman
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We are both, Marjon and myself, looking forward to to attend our first GMC Rally, this spring in Pahrump, the GMCWS Springrally from 20-24 april!
Flying from Amsterdam to Las Vegas, arriving Sunday the 16 April and getting our rental at Cruise America on Monday.
All routeplanning and alternatives, are done, but we are flexible so alternations will be always possible.
Have to return to the Netherlands on Friday the 12 May ...
Daniel
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMCMI (International) rallies mapped out [message #313413 is a reply to message #313410] |
Sat, 18 February 2017 07:22 |
Ken Henderson
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That sort of illustrates the location quandary: I'd sort of like to go to
that rally also, but look at the mileages:
Americus to Shawnee: 900 mi -- a comfortable 3-day drive.
Americus to Pahrump: 2100 mi -- 7 DAYS each way!
San Francisco to Pahrump: 560 mi -- 2 Days -- or doable in one long day.
Similarly, I've wanted badly to join the Coos Bay rallies -- but at 2836
miles, it's just too far to fit into my doctor, dentist, and family
appointments schedule, long re-retired though I am. Not to mention the
$0.50 per mile I use to estimate expenses. A $3000+ rally's just a bit too
rich for my kid's inheritance plans to tolerate.
And there are MANY GMCers located 500+ miles farther away from the W. Coast
than we are. :-(
Unfortunately, it works both ways, too. Now if the US were the size of
England... :-)
Ken H.
On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 4:38 AM, Daniel Jacobs wrote:
> We are both, Marjon and myself, looking forward to to attend our first GMC
> Rally, this spring in Pahrump, the GMCWS Springrally from 20-24 april!
> Flying from Amsterdam to Las Vegas, arriving Sunday the 16 April and
> getting our rental at Cruise America on Monday.
>
> All routeplanning and alternatives, are done, but we are flexible so
> alternations will be always possible.
> Have to return to the Netherlands on Friday the 12 May ...
>
> Daniel
> --
> Daniel Jacobs, No GMC, but an admirer of them .... We'll see what the
> future brings ....
>
> Always remember, the world is full of nice people!
> So, if you can't find one, be one!
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMCMI (International) rallies mapped out [message #313416 is a reply to message #313413] |
Sat, 18 February 2017 08:11 |
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Ken Henderson wrote on Sat, 18 February 2017 14:22Unfortunately, it works both ways, too. Now if the US were the size of
England...
Ken H. Or the Netherlands, Ken 
But I can imaging, as you point out, not only the time, but also the cost-factor is of importance. The long drive and the rally-costs.
As our dutch MH group the NKC (the biggest of Europe!!) did do their big convention last year, several 100 MHs did attend:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHKKBmRhdBE
We even have our own promotional movies 
https://youtu.be/3WHaSc4KZmU
And for the most it was a short drive, even coming from the almost south (the town of Landgraaf) of the Netherlands, to Zandvoort, 250 km ...
Even when we drive from the outmost south to the north of the country, as an example, Vaals to Eemshaven, not quite 400 km ... about 248.54 miles
In a big country as yours it will be always finding a compromise to satisfy all members.
Our distance to attend will be some further ... more then 5500 miles ...
Daniel
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