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Tue, 11 October 2016 16:43  |
Richard Denney
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1. "The paint is ugly but I've kept up with the mechanics."
Uh, yeah. We went visiting on Thursday afternoon in Cleveland, and when
leaving after the visit, we started the engine and within five seconds
heard many thumps and whacks from under the hatch. Not too bad: The
alternator belt had let go, and the shards of it caused the other two belts
to jump their sheaves and end up in a big knot around the fan shaft. It
wasn't too bad because I had spares. What I had left at home was my large
pry bar. But full range of motion in my right hand is almost all the way
back after the 1" long-pattern wrench I was using slipped causing me to try
to punch a hole in the edge of the hatch opening.
2. "That big leak in the steering gearbox is no big deal--I'll just grab a
rebuilt from Dave Lenzi."
Until Dave told me that he would not sell it to me unless my core was the
proper core for the GMC. I understood completely--rebuilders MUST maintain
their stock of usable cores. That required wrestling the greased pig--the
center steering shaft--to expose the input shaft on the old box. After
determining that it was indeed original, then came the task of removing it.
I'm tempted to let Henderson tell this story, because he loves it so.
I have a 24" 3/4"-drive breaker bar, and I leaned on that pitman-arm
remover for all I was worth. I felt this point of elasticity in the system
at which things break and send shrapnel in all directions and gave up.
Then, the Old Man got under there and, simply, leaned on it a bit harder.
Don't mess with those colonels from Georgia. When the arm turned loose of
that tapered spline, it became apparent that we had forgotten to leave the
nut in place. The pitman arm, it's remover, the wrench, and whatever else
headed for the front tire, which contained it. Ken went in a different
direction.
But there was good news, too. Not only did I have the help of guys like
Ken, but also benefitted from Alex Ferrara's willingness to help me
reinstall the Greased Pig with proper alignment. He didn't need the
29/64ths drill bit for correct alignment of the lower clamp. He just knew
how it went together. He also helped me line up all the steering parts
with the correct center of the gear box, the way it's supposed to be done.
3. "No, that's not a miss"
With the engine idling after testing the new steering gear box, a fellow I
met for the first time at this rally suggest my engine was missing. How
could that be? When I returned the pitman-arm puller to Autozone in the
coach, I thought, well, maybe that engine really is missing--the idle
vibration was causing the exhaust pipe to back against the frame, which is
my sign that something is amiss. I glanced down at the vacuum gauge: Zero.
At Autozone, I reinstalled the vacuum hose that I must have pulled loose
while filling the power steering fluid, and then it wasn't missing any
more. Sheesh.
4. "Redhead, we will not spend a lot of money at the rally."
Then an announcement from Kim: "Folks, we've had a cancellation for
windshields." So, that afternoon, I watched Ken Burton's buddies install
new windshields. Afterwards, I met Elton Smith, who was slated for one of
those windshields and arrived late but hadn't actually thought he had
cancelled. I (and Ken and Kim) had to come clean with him that his
intentions had gotten confused and I actually had his windshields installed
in my coach, He accepted the situation with grace and humor, and then we
had a nice dinner with other old and new friends. He flew P-38's in the
Pacific Theater. He's 92 and drove his coach to the rally by himself, with
one brake circuit not working. It was worth forcing him to wait until
Shawnee for windshields just to get to meet him. He might not agree with
that. :)
5. "The brakes are fine."
No failures for me and the brakes did work fine, but Dave Lenzi asked the
simple question: How long has it been since you changed your brake fluid?
Well, let me think. Okay, how about 2003? Now, I'm worried that the
bleeders will be frozen in place, holding back what is mostly just water..
The main issue there was that the Redhead was curious about the brakes, and
made moreso by my general admiration for all things Lenzi, which motivated
her to sit in on that presentation. On the way home, she started to
complain if I left a gap less than half a mile to the vehicle in front of
us.
This was my first International rally since Harrington, Delaware, and once
again I leave it with a strange mixture of motivation to finish those
projects and utter intimidation from those who have already done so to a
higher standard than I will attain to. It's been almost as long since I was
able to be active on GMCnet, and I thought I would correct both those
lapses, at least for the moment.
It was great to catch up with old friends and make new ones. Gotta do this
more often.
Now, I need to fix the leak in the oil pressure gauge tubing that was
damaged by those flying belts. But first I winterized--it got down to 36
last night.
Rick "back to work" Denney
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Northern Virginia
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| Re: [GMCnet] Things I should not have said in Mansfield [message #308586 is a reply to message #308583] |
Tue, 11 October 2016 18:13  |
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It was great to put a face and handshake with you Rick.
Please stick around a while.
after all these years
bdub
On Oct 11, 2016 4:43 PM, "Richard Denney" wrote:
> 1. "The paint is ugly but I've kept up with the mechanics."
>
> Uh, yeah. We went visiting on Thursday afternoon in Cleveland, and when
> leaving after the visit, we started the engine and within five seconds
> heard many thumps and whacks from under the hatch. Not too bad: The
> alternator belt had let go, and the shards of it caused the other two belts
> to jump their sheaves and end up in a big knot around the fan shaft. It
> wasn't too bad because I had spares. What I had left at home was my large
> pry bar. But full range of motion in my right hand is almost all the way
> back after the 1" long-pattern wrench I was using slipped causing me to try
> to punch a hole in the edge of the hatch opening.
>
> 2. "That big leak in the steering gearbox is no big deal--I'll just grab a
> rebuilt from Dave Lenzi."
>
> Until Dave told me that he would not sell it to me unless my core was the
> proper core for the GMC. I understood completely--rebuilders MUST maintain
> their stock of usable cores. That required wrestling the greased pig--the
> center steering shaft--to expose the input shaft on the old box. After
> determining that it was indeed original, then came the task of removing it.
>
> I'm tempted to let Henderson tell this story, because he loves it so.
>
> I have a 24" 3/4"-drive breaker bar, and I leaned on that pitman-arm
> remover for all I was worth. I felt this point of elasticity in the system
> at which things break and send shrapnel in all directions and gave up.
> Then, the Old Man got under there and, simply, leaned on it a bit harder.
> Don't mess with those colonels from Georgia. When the arm turned loose of
> that tapered spline, it became apparent that we had forgotten to leave the
> nut in place. The pitman arm, it's remover, the wrench, and whatever else
> headed for the front tire, which contained it. Ken went in a different
> direction.
>
> But there was good news, too. Not only did I have the help of guys like
> Ken, but also benefitted from Alex Ferrara's willingness to help me
> reinstall the Greased Pig with proper alignment. He didn't need the
> 29/64ths drill bit for correct alignment of the lower clamp. He just knew
> how it went together. He also helped me line up all the steering parts
> with the correct center of the gear box, the way it's supposed to be done.
>
> 3. "No, that's not a miss"
>
> With the engine idling after testing the new steering gear box, a fellow I
> met for the first time at this rally suggest my engine was missing. How
> could that be? When I returned the pitman-arm puller to Autozone in the
> coach, I thought, well, maybe that engine really is missing--the idle
> vibration was causing the exhaust pipe to back against the frame, which is
> my sign that something is amiss. I glanced down at the vacuum gauge: Zero.
> At Autozone, I reinstalled the vacuum hose that I must have pulled loose
> while filling the power steering fluid, and then it wasn't missing any
> more. Sheesh.
>
> 4. "Redhead, we will not spend a lot of money at the rally."
>
> Then an announcement from Kim: "Folks, we've had a cancellation for
> windshields." So, that afternoon, I watched Ken Burton's buddies install
> new windshields. Afterwards, I met Elton Smith, who was slated for one of
> those windshields and arrived late but hadn't actually thought he had
> cancelled. I (and Ken and Kim) had to come clean with him that his
> intentions had gotten confused and I actually had his windshields installed
> in my coach, He accepted the situation with grace and humor, and then we
> had a nice dinner with other old and new friends. He flew P-38's in the
> Pacific Theater. He's 92 and drove his coach to the rally by himself, with
> one brake circuit not working. It was worth forcing him to wait until
> Shawnee for windshields just to get to meet him. He might not agree with
> that. :)
>
> 5. "The brakes are fine."
>
> No failures for me and the brakes did work fine, but Dave Lenzi asked the
> simple question: How long has it been since you changed your brake fluid?
> Well, let me think. Okay, how about 2003? Now, I'm worried that the
> bleeders will be frozen in place, holding back what is mostly just water..
> The main issue there was that the Redhead was curious about the brakes, and
> made moreso by my general admiration for all things Lenzi, which motivated
> her to sit in on that presentation. On the way home, she started to
> complain if I left a gap less than half a mile to the vehicle in front of
> us.
>
> This was my first International rally since Harrington, Delaware, and once
> again I leave it with a strange mixture of motivation to finish those
> projects and utter intimidation from those who have already done so to a
> higher standard than I will attain to. It's been almost as long since I was
> able to be active on GMCnet, and I thought I would correct both those
> lapses, at least for the moment.
>
> It was great to catch up with old friends and make new ones. Gotta do this
> more often.
>
> Now, I need to fix the leak in the oil pressure gauge tubing that was
> damaged by those flying belts. But first I winterized--it got down to 36
> last night.
>
> Rick "back to work" Denney
>
> --
> '73 230 "Jaws"
> Northern Virginia
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| Re: [GMCnet] Things I should not have said in Mansfield [message #308599 is a reply to message #308583] |
Wed, 12 October 2016 00:01 |
sgltrac
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Great read mr Denney. Well written fo sho!
Sully
77 eleganza 2
Seattle
On Tuesday, October 11, 2016, Richard Denney wrote:
> 1. "The paint is ugly but I've kept up with the mechanics."
>
> Uh, yeah. We went visiting on Thursday afternoon in Cleveland, and when
> leaving after the visit, we started the engine and within five seconds
> heard many thumps and whacks from under the hatch. Not too bad: The
> alternator belt had let go, and the shards of it caused the other two belts
> to jump their sheaves and end up in a big knot around the fan shaft. It
> wasn't too bad because I had spares. What I had left at home was my large
> pry bar. But full range of motion in my right hand is almost all the way
> back after the 1" long-pattern wrench I was using slipped causing me to try
> to punch a hole in the edge of the hatch opening.
>
> 2. "That big leak in the steering gearbox is no big deal--I'll just grab a
> rebuilt from Dave Lenzi."
>
> Until Dave told me that he would not sell it to me unless my core was the
> proper core for the GMC. I understood completely--rebuilders MUST maintain
> their stock of usable cores. That required wrestling the greased pig--the
> center steering shaft--to expose the input shaft on the old box. After
> determining that it was indeed original, then came the task of removing it.
>
> I'm tempted to let Henderson tell this story, because he loves it so.
>
> I have a 24" 3/4"-drive breaker bar, and I leaned on that pitman-arm
> remover for all I was worth. I felt this point of elasticity in the system
> at which things break and send shrapnel in all directions and gave up.
> Then, the Old Man got under there and, simply, leaned on it a bit harder.
> Don't mess with those colonels from Georgia. When the arm turned loose of
> that tapered spline, it became apparent that we had forgotten to leave the
> nut in place. The pitman arm, it's remover, the wrench, and whatever else
> headed for the front tire, which contained it. Ken went in a different
> direction.
>
> But there was good news, too. Not only did I have the help of guys like
> Ken, but also benefitted from Alex Ferrara's willingness to help me
> reinstall the Greased Pig with proper alignment. He didn't need the
> 29/64ths drill bit for correct alignment of the lower clamp. He just knew
> how it went together. He also helped me line up all the steering parts
> with the correct center of the gear box, the way it's supposed to be done.
>
> 3. "No, that's not a miss"
>
> With the engine idling after testing the new steering gear box, a fellow I
> met for the first time at this rally suggest my engine was missing. How
> could that be? When I returned the pitman-arm puller to Autozone in the
> coach, I thought, well, maybe that engine really is missing--the idle
> vibration was causing the exhaust pipe to back against the frame, which is
> my sign that something is amiss. I glanced down at the vacuum gauge: Zero.
> At Autozone, I reinstalled the vacuum hose that I must have pulled loose
> while filling the power steering fluid, and then it wasn't missing any
> more. Sheesh.
>
> 4. "Redhead, we will not spend a lot of money at the rally."
>
> Then an announcement from Kim: "Folks, we've had a cancellation for
> windshields." So, that afternoon, I watched Ken Burton's buddies install
> new windshields. Afterwards, I met Elton Smith, who was slated for one of
> those windshields and arrived late but hadn't actually thought he had
> cancelled. I (and Ken and Kim) had to come clean with him that his
> intentions had gotten confused and I actually had his windshields installed
> in my coach, He accepted the situation with grace and humor, and then we
> had a nice dinner with other old and new friends. He flew P-38's in the
> Pacific Theater. He's 92 and drove his coach to the rally by himself, with
> one brake circuit not working. It was worth forcing him to wait until
> Shawnee for windshields just to get to meet him. He might not agree with
> that. :)
>
> 5. "The brakes are fine."
>
> No failures for me and the brakes did work fine, but Dave Lenzi asked the
> simple question: How long has it been since you changed your brake fluid?
> Well, let me think. Okay, how about 2003? Now, I'm worried that the
> bleeders will be frozen in place, holding back what is mostly just water..
> The main issue there was that the Redhead was curious about the brakes, and
> made moreso by my general admiration for all things Lenzi, which motivated
> her to sit in on that presentation. On the way home, she started to
> complain if I left a gap less than half a mile to the vehicle in front of
> us.
>
> This was my first International rally since Harrington, Delaware, and once
> again I leave it with a strange mixture of motivation to finish those
> projects and utter intimidation from those who have already done so to a
> higher standard than I will attain to. It's been almost as long since I was
> able to be active on GMCnet, and I thought I would correct both those
> lapses, at least for the moment.
>
> It was great to catch up with old friends and make new ones. Gotta do this
> more often.
>
> Now, I need to fix the leak in the oil pressure gauge tubing that was
> damaged by those flying belts. But first I winterized--it got down to 36
> last night.
>
> Rick "back to work" Denney
>
> --
> '73 230 "Jaws"
> Northern Virginia
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77 Royale basket case.
Future motorhome land speed record holder(bucket list)
Seattle, Wa.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Things I should not have said in Mansfield [message #308600 is a reply to message #308583] |
Wed, 12 October 2016 01:08 |
Ken Burton
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You could not have found any better help than Colonel Ken and Alex. I stopped by several times and watched you guys. I did not offer to help since you and the Colonel had it well in hand. Both of you knew much more than I did about the project and there was not room for another person below that coach.
I still remember both of you helping to change my radiator at Harrington, so I still owe you both for that one.
I busted a fan belt on my way home from Dothan this spring. Fortunately I have a double alternator belt pulley. So when it happened on a 5 lane wide interstate, I stopped briefly on the shoulder, removed the broken one, and continued on my way. I replaced the broken belt the next morning and 150 miles down the road.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] Things I should not have said in Mansfield [message #308609 is a reply to message #308607] |
Wed, 12 October 2016 09:01 |
Kimberlea Weeks
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In reference to Elton Smith. His engine is blown and his coach is still
sitting in Mansfield at the fairgrounds. He did get home and the coach will
be picked up by a trailer in about two weeks.
Kimberlea Weeks
VP Administration and Convention Manager
612.501.4600 | f.866.519.0047 | www.gmcmi.com
GMC Motorhomes International
1402 So. Cage Blvd | Unit 273 | Pharr | TX 78577-6288
We invite you to join us at all of our events!
"A Celebration of Vintage Pre-1980 Motorhomes"
Friday, March 24 to Thursday, March 30, 2017
Heart of Oklahoma Exposition Center, Shawnee, Oklahoma
On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 8:10 AM, Matt Colie wrote:
> I was telling Mary that we have known each other for a while and just now
> met.
> She recounted to me that you had told Carla (the redhead - now I know her
> name) that we had know each other for ten years and just met.
> We need to do this more often.
>
> Matt
> --
> Matt & Mary Colie - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
> '73 Glacier 23 - Still Loving OE Rear Drum Brake with Applied Control Arms
> Now with both true Keyless and remote entry
> SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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| Re: [GMCnet] Things I should not have said in Mansfield [message #308615 is a reply to message #308609] |
Wed, 12 October 2016 09:34 |
emerystora
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Sorry to hear that.
I too had an engine problem on the way home. We had just entered the NE corner of Colorado when my vacuum dropped to almost zero and it started to misfire.
I pulled over to check for a bad vacuum line and when I restarted it I had loud noises from the top right side of the motor and it Barry ran. I am guessing either a blown head gasket, a broken valve or pushrod or hopefully not, a hole in the piston.
We were towed 170 miles home. I called my insurance company and they told me to call a local toe company and send them the bill. I was a little shocked at the cost. They charged me $250 per hour for a 7 hour round trip. $1750. Sure hope the insurance company reimburses me.
Emery
> On Oct 12, 2016, at 8:01 AM, Kimberlea Weeks wrote:
>
> In reference to Elton Smith. His engine is blown and his coach is still
> sitting in Mansfield at the fairgrounds. He did get home and the coach will
> be picked up by a trailer in about two weeks.
>
> Kimberlea Weeks
> VP Administration and Convention Manager
> 612.501.4600 | f.866.519.0047 | www.gmcmi.com
>
> GMC Motorhomes International
> 1402 So. Cage Blvd | Unit 273 | Pharr | TX 78577-6288
>
> We invite you to join us at all of our events!
>
> "A Celebration of Vintage Pre-1980 Motorhomes"
> Friday, March 24 to Thursday, March 30, 2017
> Heart of Oklahoma Exposition Center, Shawnee, Oklahoma
>
>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 8:10 AM, Matt Colie wrote:
>>
>> I was telling Mary that we have known each other for a while and just now
>> met.
>> She recounted to me that you had told Carla (the redhead - now I know her
>> name) that we had know each other for ten years and just met.
>> We need to do this more often.
>>
>> Matt
>> --
>> Matt & Mary Colie - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
>> '73 Glacier 23 - Still Loving OE Rear Drum Brake with Applied Control Arms
>> Now with both true Keyless and remote entry
>> SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Things I should not have said in Mansfield [message #308618 is a reply to message #308615] |
Wed, 12 October 2016 10:04 |
Richard Denney
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Emery, well, that's much worse than a thrown alternator belt! I hope the
damage is not too bad, but loud noises are never good.
Rick "who has 102k miles and knows the engine is moving into a higher-risk
zone" Denney
On Wednesday, October 12, 2016, Emery Stora wrote:
> Sorry to hear that.
>
> I too had an engine problem on the way home. We had just entered the NE
> corner of Colorado when my vacuum dropped to almost zero and it started to
> misfire.
>
> I pulled over to check for a bad vacuum line and when I restarted it I had
> loud noises from the top right side of the motor and it Barry ran. I am
> guessing either a blown head gasket, a broken valve or pushrod or hopefully
> not, a hole in the piston.
>
> We were towed 170 miles home. I called my insurance company and they told
> me to call a local toe company and send them the bill. I was a little
> shocked at the cost. They charged me $250 per hour for a 7 hour round trip.
> $1750. Sure hope the insurance company reimburses me.
>
> Emery
>
>> On Oct 12, 2016, at 8:01 AM, Kimberlea Weeks > wrote:
>>
>> In reference to Elton Smith. His engine is blown and his coach is still
>> sitting in Mansfield at the fairgrounds. He did get home and the coach
> will
>> be picked up by a trailer in about two weeks.
>>
>> Kimberlea Weeks
>> VP Administration and Convention Manager
>> 612.501.4600 | f.866.519.0047 | www.gmcmi.com
>>
>> GMC Motorhomes International
>> 1402 So. Cage Blvd | Unit 273 | Pharr | TX 78577-6288
>>
>> We invite you to join us at all of our events!
>>
>> "A Celebration of Vintage Pre-1980 Motorhomes"
>> Friday, March 24 to Thursday, March 30, 2017
>> Heart of Oklahoma Exposition Center, Shawnee, Oklahoma
>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 8:10 AM, Matt Colie > wrote:
>>>
>>> I was telling Mary that we have known each other for a while and just
> now
>>> met.
>>> She recounted to me that you had told Carla (the redhead - now I know
> her
>>> name) that we had know each other for ten years and just met.
>>> We need to do this more often.
>>>
>>> Matt
>>> --
>>> Matt & Mary Colie - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
>>> '73 Glacier 23 - Still Loving OE Rear Drum Brake with Applied Control
> Arms
>>> Now with both true Keyless and remote entry
>>> SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> GMCnet mailing list
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>>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Things I should not have said in Mansfield [message #308619 is a reply to message #308609] |
Wed, 12 October 2016 10:07 |
Richard Denney
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I'm sorry to hear that, but I'm glad he got home safely.
Rick "glad he didn't try to drive it with only one brake circuit" Denney
On Wednesday, October 12, 2016, Kimberlea Weeks
wrote:
> In reference to Elton Smith. His engine is blown and his coach is still
> sitting in Mansfield at the fairgrounds. He did get home and the coach will
> be picked up by a trailer in about two weeks.
>
> Kimberlea Weeks
> VP Administration and Convention Manager
> 612.501.4600 | f.866.519.0047 | www.gmcmi.com
>
> GMC Motorhomes International
> 1402 So. Cage Blvd | Unit 273 | Pharr | TX 78577-6288
>
> We invite you to join us at all of our events!
>
> "A Celebration of Vintage Pre-1980 Motorhomes"
> Friday, March 24 to Thursday, March 30, 2017
> Heart of Oklahoma Exposition Center, Shawnee, Oklahoma
>
> On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 8:10 AM, Matt Colie > wrote:
>
>> I was telling Mary that we have known each other for a while and just now
>> met.
>> She recounted to me that you had told Carla (the redhead - now I know her
>> name) that we had know each other for ten years and just met.
>> We need to do this more often.
>>
>> Matt
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>> '73 Glacier 23 - Still Loving OE Rear Drum Brake with Applied Control
> Arms
>> Now with both true Keyless and remote entry
>> SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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