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| GMC Eastern States Survey [message #231978] |
Mon, 02 December 2013 14:34  |
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Matt Colie
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If you are a member of GMC Eastern States, you should have gotten an e-mail that directs you to go to our website and get the newsletter. It is posted in the members area of the website. If you cannot access it, contact Byron or a board member and we will do something about it.
This newsletter contains a survey that I hope to use to guide the chapter in the direction that will have the most value to the membership.
Thank You
Matthew Colie
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Eastern States Survey [message #232187 is a reply to message #232185] |
Wed, 04 December 2013 08:21  |
rjw
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[quote title=Matt Colie wrote on Wed, 04 December 2013 08:48]| Kingsley Coach wrote on Tue, 03 December 2013 22:14 |
Matt
If you made the survey available to former/founding members who are no longer involved, you might discover that the direction GMCES has been taking to date is not where all thought it should be going.
Mike in NS
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Your point is well made and it was a thought, but we don't have ready access to an e-mail list of past members. Watch your inbox.
Matt
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I've been considering my response to the survey I just received in the mail from Eastern States when I came across this thread on the GMCnet.
I have already decided not to renew my membership in another GMC club due to its primary focus (in my opinion) as mainly a social club and not into technical support. I'm perhaps odd that I'm in clubs for the tech stuff to help me keep my GMC running and improved. The socializing that happens is however a very nice added benefit, but not why I'm in a club or go to rallies.
It does seem to me that Eastern States has gone away from its original reason for being as I recall. No one is to blame, except perhaps the rising price of gas and the general state of the economy for the past dozen years. I joined in December 2003 when the club started.
Maybe we should go to the already formed ES Google group and discuss (former, potential and current members included) to see what could be done to keep the club going.
I am also a charter member of ES.
Richard
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SE Michigan
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Eastern States Survey [message #232200 is a reply to message #232187] |
Wed, 04 December 2013 11:54 |
Ken Henderson
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Richard,
Thanks for the reminder. As is all too common for me these days, I'd
forgotten about https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/gmc-eastern-states --
and I'm the "Owner". It's hardly been used at all for the past few years.
There are 75 members shown there, NOT including some current members, I'm
sure. It could, indeed, be a way to reach some of those who are no longer
active -- and could be a forum for discussion of the situation. The survey
could even be posted.
Ken H.
On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 9:21 AM, RJW <mygmc@palmbeachgmc.com> wrote:
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> [quote title=Matt Colie wrote on Wed, 04 December 2013 08:48]Kingsley
> Coach wrote on Tue, 03 December 2013 22:14
> > Matt
> > If you made the survey available to former/founding members who are no
> longer involved, you might discover that the direction GMCES has been
> taking to date is not where all thought it should be going.
> > Mike in NS
> > --
> > Michael Beaton
> >
> > Your point is well made and it was a thought, but we don't have ready
> access to an e-mail list of past members. Watch your inbox.
> >
> > Matt
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> I've been considering my response to the survey I just received in the
> mail from Eastern States when I came across this thread on the GMCnet.
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> I have already decided not to renew my membership in another GMC club due
> to its primary focus (in my opinion) as mainly a social club and not into
> technical support. I'm perhaps odd that I'm in clubs for the tech stuff to
> help me keep my GMC running and improved. The socializing that happens is
> however a very nice added benefit, but not why I'm in a club or go to
> rallies.
>
> It does seem to me that Eastern States has gone away from its original
> reason for being as I recall. No one is to blame, except perhaps the rising
> price of gas and the general state of the economy for the past dozen years.
> I joined in December 2003 when the club started.
>
> Maybe we should go to the already formed ES Google group and discuss
> (former, potential and current members included) to see what could be done
> to keep the club going.
>
> I am also a charter member of ES.
> --
> Richard
> 76 Palm Beach
> SE Michigan
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Eastern States Survey [message #232301 is a reply to message #232200] |
Thu, 05 December 2013 13:25 |
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Matt Colie
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| Ken Henderson wrote on Wed, 04 December 2013 12:54 |
Richard,
Thanks for the reminder. As is all too common for me these days, I'd forgotten about https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/gmc-eastern-states -- and I'm the "Owner". It's hardly been used at all for the past few years.
There are 75 members shown there, NOT including some current members, I'm sure. It could, indeed, be a way to reach some of those who are no longer active -- and could be a forum for discussion of the situation. The survey could even be posted.
Ken H.
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Ken and Richard,
This is not the first time I have heard of this group, but locating always eluded all my efforts. I had launched numerous searches in of Googleland to locate it and failing. Yes, you can come up with lots of stuff, but no hint of a Google Group. I even got so to consider starting a starting to work with Google Hangout to possible use that for tele-tech sessions.
I still don't do Facebook and am not even sure I should.
Matt
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
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SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Eastern States Survey [message #232416 is a reply to message #232390] |
Fri, 06 December 2013 07:53 |
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A couple days ago Matt Colie, president of GMC Eastern States, began this
post stating that the most recent newsletter was available in the Members
Only area and that it had a survey for members to return. To that were a
couple posts from former members.
Well, everyone has access to the survey now. If you're a current member,
former member, prospective member, or a commoner you can take the survey.
One word of caution -- your name and email address must be used for the
survey mechanism to work correctly. This is to keep the general riffraff
and web crawlers from inadvertently submitting a response. Since no one on
here fits that description, don't worry about it.
So, if you're seriously interested in helping GMCES by providing some
guidance, go to the following URL and have at it. Unlike the printed
survey in the newsletter, this one has a text area in which you can leave
a comment.
http://www.gmceast.com/survey/survey.php
By the way, after hitting Submit you'll get a note back at the top of the
survey page saying whether your submission was successful or not. It
doesn't really go to a completely different page that says something like
"success." Once you've submitted your response and get that text you can
close the window and go on to doing something productive.
Byron Songer
Louisville, KY
Webeditor for GMCES
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Eastern States Survey [message #232464 is a reply to message #232416] |
Fri, 06 December 2013 15:31 |
Ken Burton
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Byron,
I took the survey but did not get the message that it had been sent. It just sent me back to the blank survey page again. Maybe it flashed on the screen too fast for me to see it.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Eastern States Survey [message #232495 is a reply to message #232464] |
Fri, 06 December 2013 18:41 |
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Ken,
You probably did what I did the first time and push the left button which is the reset and give you a blank survey and you start over.
JR Wright
On Dec 6, 2013, at 4:31 PM, Ken Burton <n9cv@comcast.net> wrote:
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> Byron,
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> I took the survey but did not get the message that it had been sent. It just sent me back to the blank survey page again. Maybe it flashed on the screen too fast for me to see it.
> --
> Ken Burton - N9KB
> 76 Palm Beach
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Eastern States Survey [message #232498 is a reply to message #232495] |
Fri, 06 December 2013 18:47 |
Ken Burton
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| powerjon wrote on Fri, 06 December 2013 18:41 |
Ken,
You probably did what I did the first time and push the left button which is the reset and give you a blank survey and you start over.
JR Wright
On Dec 6, 2013, at 4:31 PM, Ken Burton
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Well I guess I can try again.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Eastern States Survey [message #232500 is a reply to message #232498] |
Fri, 06 December 2013 18:53 |
Ken Burton
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| Ken Burton wrote on Fri, 06 December 2013 18:47 |
| powerjon wrote on Fri, 06 December 2013 18:41 |
Ken,
You probably did what I did the first time and push the left button which is the reset and give you a blank survey and you start over.
JR Wright
On Dec 6, 2013, at 4:31 PM, Ken Burton
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Well I guess I can try again.
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Well I tried again and got the same response. I definitely pressed "submit".
Well I an either in there two times or not at all.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Eastern States Survey [message #232503 is a reply to message #232500] |
Fri, 06 December 2013 19:07 |
powerjon
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I just redid it and it worked just find and it said “Thank you, your survey has been submitted.”
JR Wright
On Dec 6, 2013, at 7:53 PM, Ken Burton <n9cv@comcast.net> wrote:
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> Ken Burton wrote on Fri, 06 December 2013 18:47
>> powerjon wrote on Fri, 06 December 2013 18:41
>>> Ken,
>>> You probably did what I did the first time and push the left button which is the reset and give you a blank survey and you start over.
>>> JR Wright
>>> On Dec 6, 2013, at 4:31 PM, Ken Burton
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>> Well I guess I can try again.
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> Well I tried again and got the same response. I definitely pressed "submit".
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> Well I an either in there two times or not at all.
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> Ken Burton - N9KB
> 76 Palm Beach
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Eastern States Survey [message #232511 is a reply to message #232500] |
Fri, 06 December 2013 19:57 |
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It came through twice.
Of course, not all browsers are created equal.
Byron
ATTENTION: This reply is in reference to what is provided belowŠ
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>Ken Burton wrote on Fri, 06 December 2013 18:47
>> powerjon wrote on Fri, 06 December 2013 18:41
>> > Ken,
>> > You probably did what I did the first time and push the left button
>>which is the reset and give you a blank survey and you start over.
>> > JR Wright
>> > On Dec 6, 2013, at 4:31 PM, Ken Burton
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>>
>>
>> Well I guess I can try again.
>
>Well I tried again and got the same response. I definitely pressed
>"submit".
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>Well I an either in there two times or not at all.
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Eastern States Survey [message #232521 is a reply to message #232511] |
Fri, 06 December 2013 23:23 |
Ken Burton
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Thanks Byron. I kind of figured that is what happened.
| Byron Songer wrote on Fri, 06 December 2013 19:57 |
It came through twice.
Of course, not all browsers are created equal.
Byron
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>Ken Burton wrote on Fri, 06 December 2013 18:47
>> powerjon wrote on Fri, 06 December 2013 18:41
>> > Ken,
>> > You probably did what I did the first time and push the left button
>>which is the reset and give you a blank survey and you start over.
>> > JR Wright
>> > On Dec 6, 2013, at 4:31 PM, Ken Burton
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>>
>>
>> Well I guess I can try again.
>
>Well I tried again and got the same response. I definitely pressed
>"submit".
>
>Well I an either in there two times or not at all.
>
>
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>Ken Burton - N9KB
>76 Palm Beach
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| Re: GMC Eastern States Survey [message #232564 is a reply to message #231978] |
Sat, 07 December 2013 13:49 |
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I guess I don't understand the purpose of the survey? I'm still relatively new remember.
I'm a prospective member and intended to join for next GMCES year. Now I'm confused.
I missed the Eastern states meeting at Branson because I didn't know that Dixielanders were invited.
What is the backstory behind the questions? I don't understand what is meant by 'exclusively technical group' and what the alternative is.
I THOUGHT, but perhaps am wrong, is that GMCES is kind of a super umbrella group covering the various more restricted regional groups like DixieLanders, Sunshine Statesmen, Crabs, Midwest Classics, etc??? As such, I assumed (and we all know what that means) that in addition to hosting combined rallies across the EASTERN STATES, GMCES was the repository for technical 'stuff' from GMCES members and member clubs. Right, wrong, none of the above???
I will say this...slightly off topic perhaps. Eastern States Technical documents were invaluable to me as a new member and continue to be. Further, if the technical content was not available to non-members (ala GMCMI), it's safe to say that I would not be involved with the GMC community. After I bought the coach that will become a car hauler, what led me to buy our Eleganza and start participating was the availability and sharing of information that I found. Hiding our lights under a basket is not going to promote the GMC world to the heathen masses and I THINK that is the reason most of this stuff is done in the first place based on the presenters I've talked to. IMO, going private is the best way to strangle the marque.
I guess what I'm saying is regardless of what does or does not happen to GMCES, I hope that the technical information remains in a open environment.
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
Had 5 over the years. Currently have a '06 Fleetwood Discovery 39L
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Eastern States Survey [message #232577 is a reply to message #232564] |
Sat, 07 December 2013 16:55 |
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Kerry,
Fools rush in where angels fear to tread. So, here goes and might as well
make some truth known.
First, there are "technical clubs" and "social clubs". GMC Eastern States,
Western States, and Motorhomes International are in the technical
grouping. That means that the object of their rallies/conventions is to
hold seminars. The rest of the clubs are primarily social in nature. They
don¹t cover a large, geographical area and don't plan rallies with
presentations as the main agenda. Of course, discussion on all things GMC
goes on regardless.
Now, about GMCES in particular. GMCES was begun in 2003 by an enthusiastic
group of GMCers that had become disgruntled with the way GMCMI was
operating then. GMC Western States was already in existence. For a few
years the enthusiasm was carrying the group, membership was in excess of
140, and there were volunteers willing to supply leadership.
Then, a respected individual took over as the convention manager for GMCMI
and turned that organization around. Within a couple of years leadership
of GMCES was getting tired and no knew leaders were stepping forward. By
October 2007 a move was made to disband GMCES. That decision was presented
a bit hastily and failed.
Two years later things looked a bit discouraging and a more formal
procedure was implemented to bring about a merger of GMCES to GMCMI. (At
this point GMCES had a large treasury as well as other physical assets
that were deemed to be of some value; sound system, video projector,
coffee urns, etc.). The Spring 2009 rally was where the discussion was
held. Again, the membership voted to keep going and a new leadership team
took over. Also, at this point membership had dropped to nearly 75 but,
within 18 months, is was back up to 100.
Since that point attendance at semiannual rallies has decreased. Finding
leadership is, again, an issue. And, as far as I'm concerned, commitment
is waning. Enthusiasm is there but enthusiasm doesn't conduct seminars,
plan events, and produce technical material. Heck, it doesn't take an
office, either. Enthusiasm just creates a lot of noise. Of course, couple
this with sympathy and good memories and the interest in keeping the club
up and going remains.
I served as president for two years and have been the newsletter/web
editor since October of 2007. I've given of my time and energy so I feel I
have a right to make the observation just provided. Of course, there are
others who have given an equal amount of time and attention to providing
leadership to GMCES but, in reality, we humans get tired and feel it's
only fair that others take their turn.
At the membership meeting in Branson (not that Dixielanders were invited
to attend) the question was raised asking if it was time to put the horse
out of it's misery. The survey is the result of that meeting.
As I see it, it's time to make the hard decision and move on. The
technical information can roll over to another organization that'll keep
them open and available. By all members east of the Rockies having one
technical club to support GMCMI stands to benefit.
However, as I see it, GMCES has a chance if it morphs into something
different. That could involve having a summer rally or something else not
being done by any other group. If the social clubs would get behind this
effort (summer rally) and work cooperatively with Eastern States I'd
predict the venture could be highly successful and give a new lease on
life to GMCES. But, to continue down the same path will mean the perpetual
issue of questioning a reason for existence.
Byron Songer
Louisville, KY
ATTENTION: This reply is in reference to what is provided belowŠ
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>I guess I don't understand the purpose of the survey? I'm still
>relatively new remember.
>
>I'm a prospective member and intended to join for next GMCES year. Now
>I'm confused.
>
>I missed the Eastern states meeting at Branson because I didn't know that
>Dixielanders were invited.
>
>What is the backstory behind the questions? I don't understand what is
>meant by 'exclusively technical group' and what the alternative is.
>
>I THOUGHT, but perhaps am wrong, is that GMCES is kind of a super
>umbrella group covering the various more restricted regional groups like
>DixieLanders, Sunshine Statesmen, Crabs, Midwest Classics, etc??? As
>such, I assumed (and we all know what that means) that in addition to
>hosting combined rallies across the EASTERN STATES, GMCES was the
>repository for technical 'stuff' from GMCES members and member clubs.
>Right, wrong, none of the above???
>
>I will say this...slightly off topic perhaps. Eastern States Technical
>documents were invaluable to me as a new member and continue to be.
>Further, if the technical content was not available to non-members (ala
>GMCMI), it's safe to say that I would not be involved with the GMC
>community. After I bought the coach that will become a car hauler, what
>led me to buy our Eleganza and start participating was the availability
>and sharing of information that I found. Hiding our lights under a
>basket is not going to promote the GMC world to the heathen masses and I
>THINK that is the reason most of this stuff is done in the first place
>based on the presenters I've talked to. IMO, going private is the best
>way to strangle the marque.
>
>I guess what I'm saying is regardless of what does or does not happen to
>GMCES, I hope that the technical information remains in a open
>environment.
>--
>Kerry Pinkerton
>
>North Alabama, near Huntsville,
>
>77 Eleganza II, "The Lady", 403CI, also a 76 Eleganza being re-bodied as
>an Art Deco car hauler
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