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Thu, 25 October 2012 06:07  |
Mr ERFisher
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I am not trying to create a controversy here
I am just showing some of the problems in saving 40 years of GMC technical
information.
I am going to use two of my friends for examples ( I hope they ok with this)
Bdub has the only site that has long-term life for GMC information.
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/
Over the last 10 years, other sites, have come and gone, and we have lost
the information stored there (about 1/2 of my links are broken).
- Photo sites, are there to sell you something, and when they wish, they go
away, or sell you back your own data
- you have no control of how they control your data
EX-1
Gary Berry has many fine contributions over the years
HIs videos were famous, but now Utube has decided they no longer support
some of the old links like this one for GMCWS rally's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqK6xa2Sf00
His current information, is in photo bucket, which is allowing viewing only
one picture a a time
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b304/fulsgld/1973%20CanyonLands%20Stretch%20GMC/Burned%20Floor/HoleintheFloor1.jpg
while a GMCphoto store, presentation allows "smart devices" like
(pads,pods,phones,tablets), allows them to be seen "forever"
with a single finger swipe using modern technology.
http://goo.gl/a8c7Q
EX2
Social Media sites let data go away at their own schedule
1 last year Google discontinued one form of presentation, leaving the
GMCefi group to scramble, and archive their own data and move to a new
format.
2 Some clubs / orgnizations decide (on their own) to capture freely
donated information, and 10 years later, decide to sell it back for
members-only
like this classic document, once free, now only available to 1/8 th of the
GMC community
http://www.gmcmi.com/mem-bers/TechHandouts/Powermaster.pdf
3 Pictures with their technical documentation are not welcome on the Forum,
and are difficult to link to (but thanks Eugene for all of your work)
4 I recently captured this picture from the FACEBOOK gmc site I liked the
picture, but have not determined how to id it for the future - afraid it
will go away
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/famous-locations-with-gmc/p46188-momo-driller.html
5 Utube, I do not know how to archive their information, for the future. It
looks like they throw it away after about 2 years.
6 One ,regional, club, last year redesigned their web site, I begged them
to bring back the technical files ( most were irreplaceable and not
archived)
EX3
1 GMCphoto site is THE archive for GMC information
- members come and pass away :>(, but their , data, pictures, and manuals
remain,
Example,J Harper (gone for 2 years), (notice the last link to a GB topic,
no longer works;>(
http://gmcmotorhome.info/toad.html#vw
2 GMCphoto site is ours (thanks Bdub)
3 it does not work real well on PPPT devices, but I think it will.
4 Send money to GMCphoto site
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/
5 where will we archive now that DVDs are too small? (Apple just got rid of
them)
JWID
Just some of my feelings,
off to bed now
gene
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| Re: [GMCnet] The risk of publishing GMC info on Social Media [message #188176 is a reply to message #188174] |
Thu, 25 October 2012 07:12  |
Kingsley Coach
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He's right !
Mike in NS
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 8:07 AM, gene Fisher <mr.erfisher@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am not trying to create a controversy here
> I am just showing some of the problems in saving 40 years of GMC technical
> information.
>
> I am going to use two of my friends for examples ( I hope they ok with
> this)
>
> Bdub has the only site that has long-term life for GMC information.
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/
>
> Over the last 10 years, other sites, have come and gone, and we have lost
> the information stored there (about 1/2 of my links are broken).
> - Photo sites, are there to sell you something, and when they wish, they go
> away, or sell you back your own data
> - you have no control of how they control your data
>
> EX-1
> Gary Berry has many fine contributions over the years
> HIs videos were famous, but now Utube has decided they no longer support
> some of the old links like this one for GMCWS rally's.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqK6xa2Sf00
>
> His current information, is in photo bucket, which is allowing viewing only
> one picture a a time
>
> http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b304/fulsgld/1973%20CanyonLands%20Stretch%20GMC/Burned%20Floor/HoleintheFloor1.jpg
>
> while a GMCphoto store, presentation allows "smart devices" like
> (pads,pods,phones,tablets), allows them to be seen "forever"
> with a single finger swipe using modern technology.
> http://goo.gl/a8c7Q
>
> EX2
> Social Media sites let data go away at their own schedule
> 1 last year Google discontinued one form of presentation, leaving the
> GMCefi group to scramble, and archive their own data and move to a new
> format.
> 2 Some clubs / orgnizations decide (on their own) to capture freely
> donated information, and 10 years later, decide to sell it back for
> members-only
> like this classic document, once free, now only available to 1/8 th of the
> GMC community
> http://www.gmcmi.com/mem-bers/TechHandouts/Powermaster.pdf
> 3 Pictures with their technical documentation are not welcome on the Forum,
> and are difficult to link to (but thanks Eugene for all of your work)
> 4 I recently captured this picture from the FACEBOOK gmc site I liked the
> picture, but have not determined how to id it for the future - afraid it
> will go away
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/famous-locations-with-gmc/p46188-momo-driller.html
> 5 Utube, I do not know how to archive their information, for the future. It
> looks like they throw it away after about 2 years.
> 6 One ,regional, club, last year redesigned their web site, I begged them
> to bring back the technical files ( most were irreplaceable and not
> archived)
>
>
> EX3
> 1 GMCphoto site is THE archive for GMC information
> - members come and pass away :>(, but their , data, pictures, and manuals
> remain,
> Example,J Harper (gone for 2 years), (notice the last link to a GB topic,
> no longer works;>(
> http://gmcmotorhome.info/toad.html#vw
> 2 GMCphoto site is ours (thanks Bdub)
> 3 it does not work real well on PPPT devices, but I think it will.
> 4 Send money to GMCphoto site
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/
> 5 where will we archive now that DVDs are too small? (Apple just got rid of
> them)
>
>
> JWID
> Just some of my feelings,
> off to bed now
> gene
>
>
>
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> “Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today --- give him a URL and
> -------
> http://gmcmotorhome.info/
> Alternator Protection Cable
> http://gmcmotorhome.info/APC.html
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| Re: [GMCnet] The risk of publishing GMC info on Social Media [message #188179 is a reply to message #188174] |
Thu, 25 October 2012 07:38 |
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Gene and others,
See my diatribe listed as:
GMC Information (was GMCphotos website information)
I'm not trying to create to a controversy. That isn't the intention. The
intention is to get some thought out there.
While I support your points that are well-made, I do see one issue. That is,
what happens when Billy (who has the keys) is no longer able to keep BDUB
going? In the past I asked him if he had a plan just as I asked you. The
response? Nothing. Therefore, I assume there is no plan. We need a
supportable plan just as the distributor of any product needs a plan. The
plan also needs to include a small group of savvy people seriously
interested in the preservation and redistribution of great information.
Social media and individually maintained sites isn't going to do the job. Of
course, we need no plan if there is no interest.
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Byron Songer
Louisville, KY
http://www.gmceast.com
gene Fisher wrote:
> I am not trying to create a controversy here
> I am just showing some of the problems in saving 40 years of GMC technical
> information.
>
> I am going to use two of my friends for examples ( I hope they ok with this)
>
> Bdub has the only site that has long-term life for GMC information.
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/
>
> Over the last 10 years, other sites, have come and gone, and we have lost
> the information stored there (about 1/2 of my links are broken).
> - Photo sites, are there to sell you something, and when they wish, they go
> away, or sell you back your own data
> - you have no control of how they control your data
>
> EX-1
> Gary Berry has many fine contributions over the years
> HIs videos were famous, but now Utube has decided they no longer support
> some of the old links like this one for GMCWS rally's.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqK6xa2Sf00
>
> His current information, is in photo bucket, which is allowing viewing only
> one picture a a time
> http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b304/fulsgld/1973%20CanyonLands%20Stretch%20
> GMC/Burned%20Floor/HoleintheFloor1.jpg
>
> while a GMCphoto store, presentation allows "smart devices" like
> (pads,pods,phones,tablets), allows them to be seen "forever"
> with a single finger swipe using modern technology.
> http://goo.gl/a8c7Q
>
> EX2
> Social Media sites let data go away at their own schedule
> 1 last year Google discontinued one form of presentation, leaving the
> GMCefi group to scramble, and archive their own data and move to a new
> format.
> 2 Some clubs / orgnizations decide (on their own) to capture freely
> donated information, and 10 years later, decide to sell it back for
> members-only
> like this classic document, once free, now only available to 1/8 th of the
> GMC community
> http://www.gmcmi.com/mem-bers/TechHandouts/Powermaster.pdf
> 3 Pictures with their technical documentation are not welcome on the Forum,
> and are difficult to link to (but thanks Eugene for all of your work)
> 4 I recently captured this picture from the FACEBOOK gmc site I liked the
> picture, but have not determined how to id it for the future - afraid it
> will go away
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/famous-locations-with-gmc/p46188-momo-drille
> r.html
> 5 Utube, I do not know how to archive their information, for the future. It
> looks like they throw it away after about 2 years.
> 6 One ,regional, club, last year redesigned their web site, I begged them
> to bring back the technical files ( most were irreplaceable and not
> archived)
>
>
> EX3
> 1 GMCphoto site is THE archive for GMC information
> - members come and pass away :>(, but their , data, pictures, and manuals
> remain,
> Example,J Harper (gone for 2 years), (notice the last link to a GB topic,
> no longer works;>(
> http://gmcmotorhome.info/toad.html#vw
> 2 GMCphoto site is ours (thanks Bdub)
> 3 it does not work real well on PPPT devices, but I think it will.
> 4 Send money to GMCphoto site
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/
> 5 where will we archive now that DVDs are too small? (Apple just got rid of
> them)
>
>
> JWID
> Just some of my feelings,
> off to bed now
> gene
>
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] The risk of publishing GMC info on Social Media [message #188181 is a reply to message #188179] |
Thu, 25 October 2012 08:01 |
kerry pinkerton
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This is a post I just made in the GMC Sandbox on how to insert images inside your posts:
I'll copy the post here:
This is a tutorial of the photo posting capabilities of this forum. The photo must be on the internet somewhere accessible. It CANNOT be uploaded from your PC. In this case, the photo is on the GMC Photo site here:
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/6130/GILMOREOILTRUCK.jpg
Using the approach described below you can have your photos shown INSIDE your post like this:
This is not difficult. On our metalshaping site, we have folks from all over the world doing it. Anyone can master with little effort.
Using "OUR" photo site (http://www.gmcmhphotos.com) is preferred for many reasons, primarily because we have some control over the longevity and access of the photos.
Step 1 - To get the image to show up in your post you first need to locate the image you want, and RIGHT click on it. You will get a list of options, one of which is COPY IMAGE LOCATION. If you then press the CNTL key AND the "C" key at the same time, it will copy the location into your computers clipboard.
Step 2 - Now you have the photo address in your clipboard, you simply locate your cursor by positioning your mouse where you want the photo to be and left clicking.
Step 3 - Then select the insert photo icon. When you are in post creation or edit mode, you will see the formatting tools directly under the row of smilies  . The NINTH image over is "INSERT IMAGE". LEFT click on it and a box will open up that says "Image URL" There will be a box that has 'http:' highlighted. Simply hold down the CNTL and V keys and it will insert the photo code directly into your post. This is sometimes called 'copy and paste' and CNTL C is the shortcut for 'copy' and CNTL V is the shortcut for 'paste'.
Step 4 - Note that what you will see is not the photo but the photo address surrounded by some 'stuff'. Not to worry, just click on 'Preview Message' and you will see the message.
NOTE: This approach does NOT increase storage or bandwidth on the GMCNet server. It simply grabs the photo off the photo server and sends it to your PC at the same time it is sending your text.
Why bother when you can simply upload albums? Couple reasons:
1- Surrounding photos with your text makes them much, MUCH easier to understand. The photo site has limited ability to describe the photos.
2- Your posts will make much more sense and be much more valuable to the readers when you are describing what folks are seeing AT THE SAME TIME. Yes, it is a little more work but if you are going to take the time to post photos, why not make sure that folks understand what they are all about.
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
Had 5 over the years. Currently have a '06 Fleetwood Discovery 39L
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| Re: [GMCnet] The risk of publishing GMC info on Social Media [message #188183 is a reply to message #188174] |
Thu, 25 October 2012 08:16 |
kerry pinkerton
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All very good thoughts. As a 'new guy' here, I'm a little hesitant to insert my opinions but here goes.
Myself and a couple other guys own and operate a not-for-profit, no advertizing metal shaping site: http://allmetalshaping.com We've had numerous discussions between the three of us regarding what happens if one or more of us gets hit by the proverbial 'beer truck', or decides to move on, or whatever....stuff happens.
The gist of it is this:
- Our ISP (Internet Service Provider) does daily backups.
- All three of us have the passwords although I am the primary admin.
- Periodically, every week or so, I perform a backup and copy it to my home PC.
- Regularity, I test the backup by doing a restore into a offline forum. Backups that have not been tested can be a disaster. Another metalshaping site lost THREE YEARS of posts and content because they did not verify their backups were good. Think what loosing three years worth of posts and photos would mean to the GMC world?
- While I am the primary admin, all of us have enough knowledge and access to hire someone to restore the site in the case something 'bad' happens.
So what happens when we all three are gone? We have an agreement that the folks who are left have control over the site, they can sell it, give it away, close it down, whatever. We have an intellectual property statement that says that the original poster OWNS his own content. They can edit, remove, etc as they desire.
If we decide to turn the site over, we would give everyone notice and allow folks to remove any content they wish. Once new management takes it, all bets are off.
The cost of running our site, which is pretty large, is about $500 a year. We are not compensated for our time but do it to provide a resource for folks to talk about Metal Shaping. We have a similar level of passion for metal shaping as GMC folks have about GMCs.
Just a few thoughts.
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
Had 5 over the years. Currently have a '06 Fleetwood Discovery 39L
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| Re: [GMCnet] The risk of publishing GMC info on Social Media [message #188189 is a reply to message #188174] |
Thu, 25 October 2012 09:12 |
armandminnie
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It seems to me there are two basic problems:
1. The sites that do exist - maintained by Gene Fisher, Patrick and Bdub - have no backup support. If any of these people is hit by the proverbial beer truck then they and their web sites are gone or soon will be. These people should give the keys to their sites to someone else along with whatever they need to know to keep them up or move them somewhere else - another hosting company - for when that beer truck arrives.
2. The photo site had the potential to be much more valuable than it is but without descriptions or tags the photos are very difficult to find. Even user names on the photo site (in most cases) are useless because they are different than the names people use on the net so there is no connection. This is what makes Gene's site so valuable - he maintains the info from the net and the photo sites in a useable format.
I think that problem number one above is the sharing of the keys to each of the sites. I have done a redesign of the gmcws site over the past year or so but, since Bdub is the holder of the keys and has an admin id, there is effectively a backup person for it. The site uses very standard software (wordpress) that is easy enough to use that any computer-literate volunteer could pretty quickly pick up the reins. The pre-redesign stuff that Bdub did is still there and linked to on the new site.
Problem number two above - making the existing net and photo sites better as has been suggested is much more difficult because it involves the people who submit the info and photos. I would advocate the use of the forum and allow photos and PDFs to be embedded in the posts along with a discussion of what they are but that involves moving past email and into the late 1990s technologically and there is resistance to that.
Armand Minnie
Marana, AZ
'76 Eleganza II TZE166V103202
visit my gmc blog
click here to visit gmcws.org
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| Re: [GMCnet] The risk of publishing GMC info on Social Media [message #188214 is a reply to message #188189] |
Thu, 25 October 2012 12:07 |
jayrabe
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I've been in the community for almost 4 years now. The learning curve has been significant, but I've pretty much figured out how to find stuff that I need. That said, the process is convoluted and inefficient, and every newbie that comes along faces the same learning process. I would like it to be easier. If you're thinking about re-configuring things, here's my 2c:
Two things: 1) Searching the forum is tough. a) Regardless that many of us have complained about it, thread hijacking continues as the norm, so searches take forever and result in pages of posts to filter through to find what you want, if you can find it at all. b) Lots of posts are social rather than informational. No way to stop that. It's a valid and valuable and enjoyable use for the forum. But it does make searches for information harder. c) is there any way to do this better?
2) Searching tech articles is tough. a) Gene has put hours into summarizing and presenting nuggets of wisdom on a given topic to save everyone from searching through dozens if not hundreds of pages of forum posts to find 2 paragraphs of crystallized gold. This is INVALUABLE but so time consuming for him, and we're still left with relying on Gene to be monitoring the forum and responding with his characteristic, "Did you look here <link>?" to point people in the right direction. b) Another 1/2 dozen or so websites are out there with highly valuable tech info, but there's no single index/search site to look at them all. That's what I think we need.
3) The GMCWS site I believe from the look of it uses Drupal open-source content-management programming. I'm not a programmer, but I learned enough Drupal to create a site that I manage for a Portland dance community. It's user-friendly, easy to index and search, looks good, etc. And the HostGator host I use also has SQL that can be used for real database organization, though I'm not enough of a programmer to even understand what the options are.
I agree COMPLETELY with the thrust of previous posts, that the community needs backup administrators/owners for our precious and irreplaceable information resources. But while we're at it, we should make it more accessible. Having it stashed in someone's secure and backed-up site does nothing if you can't find it.
My 2c
Jay Rabe 76 PB Portland, OR
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> From: armand@minniebiz.com
> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 09:12:33 -0500
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] The risk of publishing GMC info on Social Media
>
>
>
> It seems to me there are two basic problems:
> 1. The sites that do exist - maintained by Gene Fisher, Patrick and Bdub - have no backup support. If any of these people is hit by the proverbial beer truck then they and their web sites are gone or soon will be. These people should give the keys to their sites to someone else along with whatever they need to know to keep them up or move them somewhere else - another hosting company - for when that beer truck arrives.
>
> 2. The photo site had the potential to be much more valuable than it is but without descriptions or tags the photos are very difficult to find. Even user names on the photo site (in most cases) are useless because they are different than the names people use on the net so there is no connection. This is what makes Gene's site so valuable - he maintains the info from the net and the photo sites in a useable format.
>
> I think that problem number one above is the sharing of the keys to each of the sites. I have done a redesign of the gmcws site over the past year or so but, since Bdub is the holder of the keys and has an admin id, there is effectively a backup person for it. The site uses very standard software (wordpress) that is easy enough to use that any computer-literate volunteer could pretty quickly pick up the reins. The pre-redesign stuff that Bdub did is still there and linked to on the new site.
>
> Problem number two above - making the existing net and photo sites better as has been suggested is much more difficult because it involves the people who submit the info and photos. I would advocate the use of the forum and allow photos and PDFs to be embedded in the posts along with a discussion of what they are but that involves moving past email and into the late 1990s technologically and there is resistance to that.
> --
> Armand Minnie
> Marana, AZ
> '76 Eleganza II TZE166V103202
> http://www.minniebiz.com/gmcmotorhome
> http://www.gmcws.org
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| Re: [GMCnet] The risk of publishing GMC info on Social Media [message #188218 is a reply to message #188214] |
Thu, 25 October 2012 12:34 |
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Just addressing one point...
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Jay Rabe <jayrabe@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 2) Searching tech articles is tough. a) Gene has put hours into summarizing and presenting nuggets of wisdom on a given topic to save everyone from searching through dozens if not hundreds of pages of forum posts to find 2 paragraphs of crystallized gold. This is INVALUABLE but so time consuming for him, and we're still left with relying on Gene to be monitoring the forum and responding with his characteristic, "Did you look here <link>?" to point people in the right direction. b) Another 1/2 dozen or so websites are out there with highly valuable tech info, but there's no single index/search site to look at them all. That's what I think we need.
I set up a custom search engine for this purpose: http://goo.gl/xd8PK
http://temp.gmcnet.org/pipermail/gmclist/
http://gmcmotorhome.info/
http://www.gmccoop.com/
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/
http://www.bdub.net/
http://gmcmotorhome.tripod.com/
If there are other sites that you feel should be indexed, let me know
and I'll add them.
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| Re: [GMCnet] The risk of publishing GMC info on Social Media [message #188221 is a reply to message #188181] |
Thu, 25 October 2012 13:20 |
Ken Henderson
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Kerry,
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but your photo-inclusion efforts are
for naught for many GMCNeters. That is, those of us who use email only,
never the Phorum. Our messages are pure text -- NO attachments nor higher
order ASCII characters or graphics allowed. For example, I got only a
couple of blank lines after your "Using the approach described below you
can have your photos shown INSIDE your post like this:"
Since we are such a large proportion, perhaps even a majority, of those
monitoring and posting, links to GMCMHPhotos continues to be the best
option. And it's not likely most of us will ever be converted to the
Phorum, at least in its present form, despite considerable harassment by a
few individuals... :-)
Ken H.
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Kerry Pinkerton <Pinkertonk@mchsi.com>wrote:
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>
> This is a post I just made in the GMC Sandbox on how to insert images
> inside your posts:
>
>
> http://gmc.mybirdfeeder.net/GMCforum/index.php?t=msg&th=23921&start=0&rid=2555
> ...
> I'll copy the post here:
>
> This is a tutorial of the photo posting capabilities of this forum. The
> photo must be on the internet somewhere accessible. It CANNOT be uploaded
> from your PC. In this case, the photo is on the GMC Photo site here:
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/6130/GILMOREOILTRUCK.jpg
>
> Using the approach described below you can have your photos shown INSIDE
> your post like this:
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>
>
> This is not difficult. On our metalshaping site, we have folks from all
> over the world doing it. Anyone can master with little effort.
>
> Using "OUR" photo site (http://www.gmcmhphotos.com) is preferred for many
> reasons, primarily because we have some control over the longevity and
> access of the photos.
>
> Step 1 - To get the image to show up in your post you first need to locate
> the image you want, and RIGHT click on it. You will get a list of options,
> one of which is COPY IMAGE LOCATION. If you then press the CNTL key AND
> the "C" key at the same time, it will copy the location into your computers
> clipboard.
>
> Step 2 - Now you have the photo address in your clipboard, you simply
> locate your cursor by positioning your mouse where you want the photo to be
> and left clicking.
>
> Step 3 - Then select the insert photo icon. When you are in post creation
> or edit mode, you will see the formatting tools directly under the row of
> smilies . The NINTH image over is "INSERT IMAGE". LEFT click on it and a
> box will open up that says "Image URL" There will be a box that has
> 'http:' highlighted. Simply hold down the CNTL and V keys and it will
> insert the photo code directly into your post. This is sometimes called
> 'copy and paste' and CNTL C is the shortcut for 'copy' and CNTL V is the
> shortcut for 'paste'.
>
> Step 4 - Note that what you will see is not the photo but the photo
> address surrounded by some 'stuff'. Not to worry, just click on 'Preview
> Message' and you will see the message.
>
> NOTE: This approach does NOT increase storage or bandwidth on the GMCNet
> server. It simply grabs the photo off the photo server and sends it to
> your PC at the same time it is sending your text.
>
> Why bother when you can simply upload albums? Couple reasons:
>
> 1- Surrounding photos with your text makes them much, MUCH easier to
> understand. The photo site has limited ability to describe the photos.
>
> 2- Your posts will make much more sense and be much more valuable to the
> readers when you are describing what folks are seeing AT THE SAME TIME.
> Yes, it is a little more work but if you are going to take the time to
> post photos, why not make sure that folks understand what they are all
> about.
> --
> Kerry Pinkerton
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> North Alabama, near Huntsville,
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| Re: [GMCnet] The risk of publishing GMC info on Social Media [message #188226 is a reply to message #188221] |
Thu, 25 October 2012 14:47 |
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| Ken Henderson wrote on Thu, 25 October 2012 13:20 |
Kerry,
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but your photo-inclusion efforts are for naught for many GMCNeters. That is, those of us who use email only, never the Phorum. Our messages are pure text -- NO attachments nor higher order ASCII characters or graphics allowed. For example, I got only a couple of blank lines after your "Using the approach described below you can have your photos shown INSIDE your post like this:"
Since we are such a large proportion, perhaps even a majority, of those monitoring and posting, links to GMCMHPhotos continues to be the best option. And it's not likely most of us will ever be converted to the Phorum, at least in its present form, despite considerable harassment by a few individuals... 
Ken H.
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Ken,
I think Kerry is proposing a method that will work for BOTH email users and forum users. Forum users get a picture imbedded in the post, and email users don't get something they don't want.
Here's a test of what I am talking about. If it works, forum users will see a picture of my proposed floor plan from the photo site accompanied by a URL, and email users will see the URL. Email users can do whatever they normally do on the URL to view the picture, forum users can ignore the URL and just view the photo.
 http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/6131/medium/Floor_Plan_Proposed.jpg
If you can see the URL, and can open it, let us know and we can declare this a win-win.
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| Re: [GMCnet] The risk of publishing GMC info on Social Media [message #188228 is a reply to message #188226] |
Thu, 25 October 2012 14:56 |
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I see and can open (email user)
Sully
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On Oct 25, 2012, at 12:47 PM, A. <markbb1@netzero.com> wrote:
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> Ken Henderson wrote on Thu, 25 October 2012 13:20
>> Kerry,
>>
>> Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but your photo-inclusion efforts are for naught for many GMCNeters. That is, those of us who use email only, never the Phorum. Our messages are pure text -- NO attachments nor higher order ASCII characters or graphics allowed. For example, I got only a couple of blank lines after your "Using the approach described below you can have your photos shown INSIDE your post like this:"
>>
>> Since we are such a large proportion, perhaps even a majority, of those monitoring and posting, links to GMCMHPhotos continues to be the best option. And it's not likely most of us will ever be converted to the Phorum, at least in its present form, despite considerable harassment by a few individuals... :)
>>
>> Ken H.
> Ken,
>
> I think Kerry is proposing a method that will work for BOTH email users and forum users. Forum users get a picture imbedded in the post, and email users don't get something they don't want.
>
> Here's a test of what I am talking about. If it works, forum users will see a picture of my proposed floor plan from the photo site accompanied by a URL, and email users will see the URL. Email users can do whatever they normally do on the URL to view the picture, forum users can ignore the URL and just view the photo.
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/6131/medium/Floor_Plan_Proposed.jpg
>
> If you can see the URL, and can open it, let us know and we can declare this a win-win.
> --
> '73 23' Sequoia
> UA (Upper Alabama)
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| Re: [GMCnet] The risk of publishing GMC info on Social Media [message #188230 is a reply to message #188218] |
Thu, 25 October 2012 15:08 |
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Very cool. Thanks. Definitely will save That link...
:-)
> From: wsfulmer@gmail.com
> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 11:34:36 -0600
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] The risk of publishing GMC info on Social Media
>
> Just addressing one point...
>
> On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Jay Rabe <jayrabe@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > 2) Searching tech articles is tough. a) Gene has put hours into summarizing and presenting nuggets of wisdom on a given topic to save everyone from searching through dozens if not hundreds of pages of forum posts to find 2 paragraphs of crystallized gold. This is INVALUABLE but so time consuming for him, and we're still left with relying on Gene to be monitoring the forum and responding with his characteristic, "Did you look here <link>?" to point people in the right direction. b) Another 1/2 dozen or so websites are out there with highly valuable tech info, but there's no single index/search site to look at them all. That's what I think we need.
>
> I set up a custom search engine for this purpose: http://goo.gl/xd8PK
>
> http://temp.gmcnet.org/pipermail/gmclist/
> http://gmcmotorhome.info/
> http://www.gmccoop.com/
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/
> http://www.bdub.net/
> http://gmcmotorhome.tripod.com/
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> If there are other sites that you feel should be indexed, let me know
> and I'll add them.
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> 1973 260 Painted Desert
> Luna County, NM
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| Re: [GMCnet] The risk of publishing GMC info on Social Media [message #188236 is a reply to message #188226] |
Thu, 25 October 2012 16:13 |
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That works for me via email.
Ron
On Oct 25, 2012 12:48 PM, "A." <markbb1@netzero.com> wrote:
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> Ken Henderson wrote on Thu, 25 October 2012 13:20
> > Kerry,
> >
> > Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but your photo-inclusion efforts are
> for naught for many GMCNeters. That is, those of us who use email only,
> never the Phorum. Our messages are pure text -- NO attachments nor higher
> order ASCII characters or graphics allowed. For example, I got only a
> couple of blank lines after your "Using the approach described below you
> can have your photos shown INSIDE your post like this:"
> >
> > Since we are such a large proportion, perhaps even a majority, of those
> monitoring and posting, links to GMCMHPhotos continues to be the best
> option. And it's not likely most of us will ever be converted to the
> Phorum, at least in its present form, despite considerable harassment by a
> few individuals... :)
> >
> > Ken H.
> Ken,
>
> I think Kerry is proposing a method that will work for BOTH email users
> and forum users. Forum users get a picture imbedded in the post, and email
> users don't get something they don't want.
>
> Here's a test of what I am talking about. If it works, forum users will
> see a picture of my proposed floor plan from the photo site accompanied by
> a URL, and email users will see the URL. Email users can do whatever they
> normally do on the URL to view the picture, forum users can ignore the URL
> and just view the photo.
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/6131/medium/Floor_Plan_Proposed.jpg
>
> If you can see the URL, and can open it, let us know and we can declare
> this a win-win.
> --
> '73 23' Sequoia
> UA (Upper Alabama)
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| Re: [GMCnet] The risk of publishing GMC info on Social Media [message #188240 is a reply to message #188226] |
Thu, 25 October 2012 17:22 |
Ken Henderson
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Yep, I can just click on the URL. I guess I don't understand how that's
different than cutting and pasting the URL. I'll study the procedure
again, but at first blush the steps don't sound compatible with my editor
-- and the only way I'll be able to check whether I'm doing it right is to
log into the Phorum.
Ken H.
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 3:47 PM, A. <markbb1@netzero.com> wrote:
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> ...
> Ken,
>
> I think Kerry is proposing a method that will work for BOTH email users
> and forum users. Forum users get a picture imbedded in the post, and email
> users don't get something they don't want.
>
> Here's a test of what I am talking about. If it works, forum users will
> see a picture of my proposed floor plan from the photo site accompanied by
> a URL, and email users will see the URL. Email users can do whatever they
> normally do on the URL to view the picture, forum users can ignore the URL
> and just view the photo.
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/6131/medium/Floor_Plan_Proposed.jpg
>
> If you can see the URL, and can open it, let us know and we can declare
> this a win-win.
> --
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| Re: [GMCnet] The risk of publishing GMC info on Social Media [message #188242 is a reply to message #188226] |
Thu, 25 October 2012 17:37 |
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OK, here's a test of Kerry's procedure, using GMail's editor (the Insert
Graphic procedure is trivially different: Select the "mountain range" in
the formatting toolbar just above the edit field):
[image: Inline image 1]
That probably WILL work on the Phorum.
Thanks, Kerry. I'll try to remember to use that method for the sake of the
sado-masochists who insist on using the Phorum instead of GMail -- wouldn't
want to be accused of not being PC by discriminating against them. :-)
Please let me know if it works.
Ken H.
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 3:47 PM, A. <markbb1@netzero.com> wrote:
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> I think Kerry is proposing a method that will work for BOTH email users
> and forum users. Forum users get a picture imbedded in the post, and email
> users don't get something they don't want.
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] The risk of publishing GMC info on Social Media [message #188243 is a reply to message #188242] |
Thu, 25 October 2012 17:45 |
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On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Ken Henderson <hend4800@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> OK, here's a test of Kerry's procedure, using GMail's editor (the Insert
> Graphic procedure is trivially different: Select the "mountain range" in
> the formatting toolbar just above the edit field):
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
> That probably WILL work on the Phorum.
>
> Thanks, Kerry. I'll try to remember to use that method for the sake of the
> sado-masochists who insist on using the Phorum instead of GMail -- wouldn't
> want to be accused of not being PC by discriminating against them. :-)
>
> Please let me know if it works.
What I see in Gmail is what you see in the quoted message above:
"[image: Inline image 1]".
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| [GMCnet] Onan oil spill [message #188244 is a reply to message #188242] |
Thu, 25 October 2012 17:48 |
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I fired up the Onan today for the first time since getting help from Ken B to get it running. (Thanks again Ken!)
I fired it up from inside the coach and everything was running great. I walked outside to the generator compartment (it had been running for about 2-3 minutes) when I saw oil spewing out of the bottom of the generator compartment. I ran into the coach and hit the shutoff switch and then opened the compartment to see what had happened. Apparently the oil dipstick cover had rattled loose and oil was bubbling up over the entire generator. So now I've got an Onan absolutely covered in oil. (and there is some older oil there as well which leads me to believe this had been a problem in the past)...
What's the best way to get the Onan cleaned up without damaging anything or ruining the paint?
Thanks!
Jared
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| Re: [GMCnet] The risk of publishing GMC info on Social Media [message #188249 is a reply to message #188242] |
Thu, 25 October 2012 18:25 |
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| Ken Henderson wrote on Thu, 25 October 2012 17:37 |
OK, here's a test of Kerry's procedure, using GMail's editor (the Insert Graphic procedure is trivially different: Select the "mountain range" in the formatting toolbar just above the edit field): [image: Inline image 1]
That probably WILL work on the Phorum.
Thanks, Kerry. I'll try to remember to use that method for the sake of the sado-masochists who insist on using the Phorum instead of GMail -- wouldn't want to be accused of not being PC by discriminating against them.
Please let me know if it works.
Ken H.
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Ken,
I don't think anybody expects the email users to do anything different than they have in the past. Kerry just provided a way for forum users to imbed the link to a picture within the post, and forum users to see it. In order for email users to access the picture, I demonstrated a way of including the URL seperately, and in addition to, the link to the photo (the photo link part will be stripped off somewhere between the forum and the mail server, no biggie).
I don't know what character sequences email clients and servers remove from email notes, but all Kerry's procedure does is encase the URL of the picture with "img" tags. That is an open square bracket "[" the sequence "img" a close square bracket "]" URL open square bracket "[" slash "/" "img" close square bracket "]". Obviously the data tagged that way is removed somewhere going between the forum server to the email server, or the email server to the client(s). Don't know what would happen between the email client and the email server, or the email server and the forum server, so I wouldn't have expected anyone to jump through any hoops to try to duplicate the behavior via email.
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| Re: [GMCnet] The risk of publishing GMC info on Social Media [message #188281 is a reply to message #188174] |
Thu, 25 October 2012 20:53 |
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To be honest, I had not considered the email folks. I whined about moving to forums about 10 years back but after about 10 minutes, I saw the light. Praise the Lord! Hallelujah!
Anyway, I THINK that Al came up with a simple solution, that is to post the LINK and the PHOTO.
Like this. This is the link which was a simple paste into the thread of the same URL as the photo image (right click on the photo of choice, select copy image location, and copy to clipboard by pressing CNTL and C at the same time)
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/6130/Gilmoreoil_truck2.jpg
and this is the Photo image which was the same URL pasted into the image box
Simple enough solution it seems to me. Email users get the text and if they want to see the corresponding photo, they can click on it. Forum users see the photos inline with the descriptions.
I need to stress that the photos HAVE to be on the internet and hosting your GMC photos anywhere but the GMC albums is just a huge risk. EVERY photo hosting site I've known of sooner or later puts restrictions, fees, or deletes photos. The only way to ensure the info remains available to the community is to put them where WE can control it. That is, the GMC site. http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/
Folks who looked at this post last night might notice that the images are not the same. I just grabbed a photo and didn't realize it was a Craigslist photo that will go away in a couple weeks. Mike Miller caught that and I changed the photo to one that is on the site and will be here long term.
Would an email user verify that you see the link and it is clickable?
As far as bandwidth goes, the read request pulls the text from the forum software and parses out the image requests which results in a read request to the image server. The image is sent back and placed in the appropriate date stream to the requestor. The GMCNet sees NO additional bandwidth. However, the photo site has to respond to the image requests every time the post is requested (read).
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
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