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Refrigerator compartment panels missing [message #163879] Thu, 22 March 2012 16:02 Go to next message
PETEinLongBeach is currently offline  PETEinLongBeach   United States
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I was vacuuming out the outside refrigerator compartment yesterday and noticed indications that there were some wood panels missing from the compartment. One appears to have been horizontal and the other above it appears to have slanted down at an angle. They are depicted here:

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=19164&cat=4252

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=19163&cat=4252

Obviously, they were removed to enhance inspection / access to the back of the refrigerator. Do they provide a critical shielding function, or can they be left out? If they are important to have in-place, are there any salvage coaches out there with these panels still present?


Pete Smay
Long Beach, CA
1977 Kingsley
Re: [GMCnet] Refrigerator compartment panels missing [message #163889 is a reply to message #163879] Thu, 22 March 2012 17:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Is your fridge propane? If so it's possible that the original fridge was 110 VAC / 12 VDC and the baffles were removed for ventilation.

Larry Davick
1976(ish) Palm Beach

On Mar 22, 2012, at 2:02 PM, Pete <peteinlb@aol.com> wrote:

>
>
> I was vacuuming out the outside refrigerator compartment yesterday and noticed indications that there were some wood panels missing from the compartment. One appears to have been horizontal and the other above it appears to have slanted down at an angle. They are depicted here:
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=19164&cat=4252
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=19163&cat=4252
>
> Obviously, they were removed to enhance inspection / access to the back of the refrigerator. Do they provide a critical shielding function, or can they be left out? If they are important to have in-place, are there any salvage coaches out there with these panels still present?
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> Long Beach, CA
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Re: Refrigerator compartment panels missing [message #163900 is a reply to message #163879] Thu, 22 March 2012 20:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
JohnL455 is currently offline  JohnL455   United States
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That "chimney" is necessary from what I understand in an absorbtion type unit application. Mine was missing and Cinnabar reconstructed it upon putting in the new 3 way. BUT, from the picture it look intact to me????or I'm not looking at picture right???

John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
Re: Refrigerator compartment panels missing [message #163944 is a reply to message #163879] Fri, 23 March 2012 09:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Here is a link for Norcold refrigerator vent requirements.

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=43274&title=epson002&cat=5293


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Re: [GMCnet] Refrigerator compartment panels missing [message #163961 is a reply to message #163889] Fri, 23 March 2012 11:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
PETEinLongBeach is currently offline  PETEinLongBeach   United States
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ljdavick wrote on Thu, 22 March 2012 15:44

Is your fridge propane? If so it's possible that the original fridge was 110 VAC / 12 VDC and the baffles were removed for ventilation.

Larry Davick
1976(ish) Palm Beach



Yes, the original refrigerator was the 110/12 model. The 3-way fridge was installed in the early 1980s. I'm guessing the baffle panels were removed at that time. I'm curious to know whether these panels should be there to help deflect the elements from outside or moderate air flow in some way. I'm concerned about water entering the compartment when the coach is being washed.

(I should clarify, the picture links I posted above are not of my coach, but to depict the panels I'm referring to).


Pete Smay
Long Beach, CA
1977 Kingsley
Re: Refrigerator compartment panels missing [message #163978 is a reply to message #163879] Fri, 23 March 2012 15:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
JohnL455 is currently offline  JohnL455   United States
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AH HA. That's why I thought they were there. They were! I think for optimum cooling they need to be there to duct the heat up to the roof vent and cause cool replacement air to come in the side vent.

John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
Re: [GMCnet] Refrigerator compartment panels missing [message #164038 is a reply to message #163961] Sat, 24 March 2012 09:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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PETEinLongBeach wrote on Fri, 23 March 2012 12:31

ljdavick wrote on Thu, 22 March 2012 15:44

Is your fridge propane? If so it's possible that the original fridge was 110 VAC / 12 VDC and the baffles were removed for ventilation.

Larry Davick
1976(ish) Palm Beach



Yes, the original refrigerator was the 110/12 model. The 3-way fridge was installed in the early 1980s. I'm guessing the baffle panels were removed at that time. I'm curious to know whether these panels should be there to help deflect the elements from outside or moderate air flow in some way. I'm concerned about water entering the compartment when the coach is being washed.

(I should clarify, the picture links I posted above are not of my coach, but to depict the panels I'm referring to).

From the research I did, many coaches fit with electric refrigeration were shipped without roof or side vents. The reefer was vented above and below to the living spaces. If the coach lived someplace that it got too hot and the owner complained, a dealer would cut and fit the side and top vent. This is why so many side vents don't match the strips. Problem: On many coaches (like mine) they cut in the vents but did not close of the ventilation to the living space. We discovered this during the first 20°F night of our first excursion....

Matt


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Re: Refrigerator compartment panels missing [message #164045 is a reply to message #163879] Sat, 24 March 2012 10:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
JohnL455 is currently offline  JohnL455   United States
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We call that "make up air"
Makes your propane use go way up.


John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
Re: Refrigerator compartment panels missing [message #164129 is a reply to message #163879] Sun, 25 March 2012 08:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
PETEinLongBeach is currently offline  PETEinLongBeach   United States
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So, it seems like the baffle panels were there for the 110/12 compressor refrigerators. It looks like they would be in the way for service access and maybe airflow in the propane/ammonia refrigerators, and deleted in such installations. If any of you out there has a coach with the original propane refrigerator installation, can you verify whether you have these baffle panels?

Also, what is the consensus regarding water intrusion through the access/vent door (mostly when washing the coach), and any effects it might have to this compartment? I'm wondering if any water might seep down into the vacuum/storage compartment below the refrigerator. I guess I'll keep an eye on these areas after the next washing.


Pete Smay
Long Beach, CA
1977 Kingsley

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Re: [GMCnet] Refrigerator compartment panels missing [message #164134 is a reply to message #164129] Sun, 25 March 2012 09:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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i have the baffles and my fridge is 3 way, it could be that in lpg mode it vented out the side with the angle / l > pushing out the side with exhaust.

THere are vent fins in the metal side cover that has a key and lock opening and it would help vent out side ways behind the fridge with in the first few feet

going vertical.

Mine is made of wood as well hard wood feels like oak almost. I need to look again i looked yesterday. I will check it out the next time

i go to storage area. A great thing happened when i rented the storage area, a cat lives there right next to where i park. love it, protection from rodents.


On Mar 25, 2012, at 6:18 AM, Pete wrote:

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>
>
> So, it seems like the baffle panels were there for the 110/12 compressor refrigerators. It looks like they would be in the way for service access and maybe airflow in the propane/ammonia refrigerators.
>
> If any of you out there has a coach with the original propane refrigerator installation, can you verify whether you have these baffle panels?
>
> Also, what is the consensus regarding water intrusion through the access/vent door (mostly when washing the coach), and any effects it might have to this compartment? I'm wondering if any water might seep down into the vacuum/storage compartment below the refrigerator. I guess I'll keep an eye on these areas after the next washing.
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> Long Beach, CA
> 1977 Kingsley
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Re: [GMCnet] Refrigerator compartment panels missing [message #164135 is a reply to message #164134] Sun, 25 March 2012 09:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Those panels are essential for good Venturi air flow to cool the tubes. They increase the velocity of air over the coils much like a fan shroud. It also helps to install a couple of 12v computer fans in the upper flue to improve airflow. My fans run on a thermostat. One way to check for good flow is find a smoker and have him blow cigarette smoke into the vent. The smoke should instantly exit the roof vent and not linger behind the refer.

Phil Swanson
Re: [GMCnet] Refrigerator compartment panels missing [message #164136 is a reply to message #164135] Sun, 25 March 2012 09:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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where do you put the 12 volt computer fans bottom or top,





On Mar 25, 2012, at 7:36 AM, Phil Swanson wrote:

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> Those panels are essential for good Venturi air flow to cool the tubes. They increase the velocity of air over the coils much like a fan shroud. It also helps to install a couple of 12v computer fans in the upper flue to improve airflow. My fans run on a thermostat. One way to check for good flow is find a smoker and have him blow cigarette smoke into the vent. The smoke should instantly exit the roof vent and not linger behind the refer.
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Re: [GMCnet] Refrigerator compartment panels missing [message #164139 is a reply to message #164135] Sun, 25 March 2012 11:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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All other variables aside, this 30 year old ammonia fridge works amazingly well on electric and propane. I only have the thermostat set at about the halfway point, and the main compartment normally hovers around 33 F.

Pete Smay
Long Beach, CA
1977 Kingsley
Re: [GMCnet] Refrigerator compartment panels missing [message #164597 is a reply to message #164135] Thu, 29 March 2012 13:57 Go to previous message
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For tracing air drafts, I find that a stick of burning incense is easier on
the nose, and can be set in place for a while if need be.
.

Greg H.

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to keep me company.

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> One way to check for good flow is find a smoker and have him blow
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