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Re: [GMCnet] Covid 19 [message #353633 is a reply to message #353628] Thu, 09 April 2020 13:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Larry wrote on Thu, 09 April 2020 13:17
Lady's and Gentleman:

According to GMCnet guidelines, Discussion Guidelines (http://gmcnet.org/gmcnetguidelines.html#RULE5)
Political or religious commentaries or discussions. Only when there is a specific legislative bill or regulatory NPRM directly related to ownership of GMC motorhomes will political discussions be tolerated.

Lots of other forums out there for this kind of discussion.
If that is directed to me, that is why I am reluctant to post here anymore. Seems I get flamed regardless of what I say.


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Re: [GMCnet] Covid 19 [message #353637 is a reply to message #353259] Thu, 09 April 2020 15:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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this can touch the wrong nerve with different people. But I hope with any subject on the GMC net, that you can delete or skip over what you choose. now ever thread is perfect, like someone recommending a type of oil.


anyway- back to the purpose of this thread, I am glad no-one here has posted that they know a GMC'r that has contracted or died from this as stated when they cancelled GMCMi- this could really mess up our ranking memebers!


I am still out doing my job, lots of care when doing so. At home, it is trying to keep the insanity, and I am actually doing some GMC projects and having time to get them done. I have my EV6010 back working(for now). Hoping I get more then 1 or 2 trips out of it this year. I also got a deal on a Blaine Merril hitch, and am in the process of installing that. as with anything, it is more involved then one would hope. my ev6010 muffler is in the way, and my bumpers are in worst shape then I had thought. So have some sandblasting and painting to do this weekend as well as figuring out how to move my muffler out of the way myself as I am not going to pay another $200 for the muffler shop to do it.


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Re: [GMCnet] Covid 19 [message #353638 is a reply to message #353628] Thu, 09 April 2020 15:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Larry wrote on Thu, 09 April 2020 12:17
Lady's and Gentleman:

According to GMCnet guidelines, Discussion Guidelines (http://gmcnet.org/gmcnetguidelines.html#RULE5)
Political or religious commentaries or discussions. Only when there is a specific legislative bill or regulatory NPRM directly related to ownership of GMC motorhomes will political discussions be tolerated.

Lots of other forums out there for this kind of discussion.
What did I miss?


Ken Burton - N9KB
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Re: [GMCnet] Covid 19 [message #353639 is a reply to message #353633] Thu, 09 April 2020 15:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It's clear from the title of this thread that it's off topic so respond at your own risk I guess. Personally I don't take negative comments from internet sources very seriously. It's just not worth the trouble to be offended. It's more entertaining to grade such comments for originality.

It was an interesting article that Mr Bdub linked to. It kind of makes sense but is almost too good to be true. After googling for more credible information I did find this brain buster:

https://documentcloud.adobe.com/link/review?uri=urn:aaid:scds:US:3fa4252b-b129-4996-a878-7296adffa9a8

Also an interesting read and it may well be the root source of the article that Bdub referenced.

Being the curious person, I also googled "epitome of fake news". Lots of very serious opinions there but anything about the article in question must have been too far down the list for me to search out.

Right now we are sequestered about 1 mile due west of Orlando International Airport. It started getting quiet except for the inrush of NY refugees. Luckily they mostly went to the Dade/Broward area (Miami) where 1/2 of the states Covid 19 cases are. Things got noisier a couple of days before the statewide lock down as all the tourists and spring breakers left town. Now it has never been so quiet here. The plague of Uber & Lyft drivers clogging every parking lot and roadway near the airport are gone. That's nice but now we don't drive out too much.

The news coming from China in Jan/Feb was scary enough that we started stocking up on essentials back then. Now we only go out to Walmart for curbside pickup (give the workers a big tip) and occasionally to restaurants for take out food. Anything that comes trough the front gate gets a good wipe with a rag soaked in Clorox and is then put in quarantine for a couple more days. As for politicians - just what was on the evening news made it fairly obvious what was likely to come here. I guess the inertia of the status quo made it difficult for politicians to respond appropriately.

I wear a face mask and nitrile gloves (HF brand) in public. If you want to consider the value (or not) of wearing one here's an "expert" opinion from the dental world:

https://www.oralhealthgroup.com/features/face-masks-dont-work-revealing-review/

Of course they only consider the issue from their side of the equation since the patient can't wear a mask.

JP
Re: [GMCnet] Covid 19 [message #353643 is a reply to message #353633] Thu, 09 April 2020 17:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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rjw wrote on Thu, 09 April 2020 11:00
Larry wrote on Thu, 09 April 2020 13:17
Lady's and Gentleman:

According to GMCnet guidelines, Discussion Guidelines (http://gmcnet.org/gmcnetguidelines.html#RULE5)
Political or religious commentaries or discussions. Only when there is a specific legislative bill or regulatory NPRM directly related to ownership of GMC motorhomes will political discussions be tolerated.

Lots of other forums out there for this kind of discussion.
If that is directed to me, that is why I am reluctant to post here anymore. Seems I get flamed regardless of what I say.
Richard,

No, Larry's admonition was posted to the community in general. And that's what we are, a community.

We may be from different backgrounds, different religious beliefs, different political beliefs, but we're family. So post away, lob an "oil wars" grenade once in awhile, and feel safe in the knowledge we're happy you're here.

Richard


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Re: [GMCnet] Covid 19 [message #353644 is a reply to message #353614] Thu, 09 April 2020 17:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well, I broke my promise to myself to stay out of Lake County, Indiana and Chicago for a while. Today was like visiting a different world. Lake County has the 2nd highest virus death count in the state behind Indy.

Laurie had a tele-med call and the doc prescribed her 2 meds. They could not call the script in because one of the items is a controlled substance. So I had to drive over there to pick the paper script. The nurse refused to mail it to her.

You are going to like this procedure. I was to drive over to the closed Doctor's office and call 5 minutes prior to my arrival. The nurse then would tape the scripts to the front door of the doctor's office where I would pick them up.

I drove over there about 16 miles. When I called I got a recording saying that they were closed and their Thursday hours were 3 PM to 7 PM. What is this? So I called again and got the same recording. It was about 9:30 AM. So left and went back home, another 16 miles.

I told Laurie what happened and called the Doc's number again from home to check what time I had to go back in the afternoon. Someone answered and said we are here. I'll tape the script on the door now if you will come back.

Another 16 or so miles back and there it was. During these trips there was not much going on and no one around. No business were open except 2 gas stations, and another highway construction crew tieing up traffic. Unlike yesterday in my county, I was the only one waiting for the sign guy to change the sign to "go" instead of "stop".

I picked up the script, put the script in a pre-addressed envelope to mail it at the drive by box at the local post office. The glue on the envelope would not hold. The street out front is a major 6 lane wide business area street and nothing was open with very few vehicles around. I needed one piece of scotch tape. I drove about 4 miles north on that street to my neighbor's music store for a small piece of tape. It was open. Somehow selling guitars and drums is an "essential" business these days.

Along that route I saw 6 cars total going both directions. I mailed the envelope at the local post office drop box and headed home by a different route. I filled up with $1.149 gas at Sams club and while there decided to go to Walmart next door. The lot was very busy and there were 40 to 50 people lined up to get in at one of the entrances. At least 1/2 were wearing masks. So I put on my mask and rubber gloves and went in the other entrance where no one was waiting. The two entrances were only 100 to 120 feet apart. Inside there were two Walmart people and one uniformed cop checking people in. The cop busy was raising hell with one young girl because she came in the exit door instead of the entrance one. I was in and out in about 1 minute. They did not have what I wanted. I figured that since I was already in a mask and gloves that I would go to Sams next door. Sams was also throttling people going in and the line of masked people each pushing an empty cart was all the way across the front of the building and around the corner down the side to the rear edge of the building. I said these people are nuts, got in my truck, and drove home.

Two days, 15 miles apart, in two different counties, and two different worlds. Today was more like what I have been seeing on television.

I wonder what is on TV now? Probably wall to wall talking heads about virus coverage.

Oh, when I went to the doctors office, all of the medical buildings had empty parking lots except the Alzheimer's Association. It was almost full. I wonder if someone forgot to tell them there is a pandemic going on.


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Re: [GMCnet] Covid 19 [message #353645 is a reply to message #353639] Thu, 09 April 2020 17:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jp Benson wrote on Thu, 09 April 2020 13:32

Right now we are sequestered about 1 mile due west of Orlando International Airport. It started getting quiet except for the inrush of NY refugees. Luckily they mostly went to the Dade/Broward area (Miami) where 1/2 of the states Covid 19 cases are.
Luckily...? For whom? Anyone, from any state or country, that ignores the generally accepted guidelines is playing dice with the health of themselves and others. Crappy odds, crappy payout, crappy game.

JP, my coach has NY plates on it. I've been in Arizona since just before Christmas. I'm half expecting some knuckle-dragger to accost me or my GMC for "bringing the disease here". Please don't paint with such a broad brush - it only feeds the trolls. Thanks.

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I wear a face mask and nitrile gloves (HF brand) in public. If you want to consider the value (or not) of wearing one here's an "expert" opinion from the dental world:

https://www.oralhealthgroup.com/features/face-masks-dont-work-revealing-review/

Of course they only consider the issue from their side of the equation since the patient can't wear a mask.

JP
My brain hurt from reading that article. It seemed to me the author was looking for guarantees. Here's one - spoiler alert - in 75 years we'll all be dead. That's the only guarantee you're going to get. After that we're just trying to improve the odds. Masks, gloves and social distancing increase the odds. QED

Stay safe out there.

Richard


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Re: [GMCnet] Covid 19 [message #353646 is a reply to message #353639] Thu, 09 April 2020 18:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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JP,

While the merits of the paper are valid, it is almost 4 years old and it is about the surgical masks of that time. While the masks most are wearing may not be of great value to the wearer, they are of value to those others around same.

The current standard for hospital staff is the N95 mast that does have a very fine particle capture. It is designed for an air tight fit to the wearer's face. That is why these are in such demand.

What it forgot to say is that (As I have been told) these masks are not very comfortable and can be very hot.

Matt - who wears a full face double carbon filter mast for grinding fiberglass and painting with linear polyurethane,


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Re: [GMCnet] Covid 19 [message #353653 is a reply to message #353646] Thu, 09 April 2020 22:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Richard,

My apologies if it sounded like I was unreasonably painting New Yorkers. Under the circumstances your concern is understandable. In FL we are long accustomed to seeing tags from other states. This year there's been a lot of NY tags. Many moving here for economic reasons. In the past year we've had 3 new neighbors move next door, across the street and behind our back yard at our other home in a nearby county. All nice folks in my opinion. It's funny how they become established and begin to see people from other states differently. Just human nature I guess. Many NY residents own property in FL and I can't blame them for seeking safety from what is happening in certain parts of NY. However travel from hot spots at this time does bring risk to others. That combined with high population density is what made NY such a hotspot.

Just some recent FL history: The first concerns here were spring breakers, bike week visitors and people from everywhere just having their annual spring beach vacation in FL. Our governor tried to cancel spring break and bike week without much success. Disney, Universal and Sea World shut down and then the governor banned vacation rentals and put up checkpoints at the GA border on I95. Kind of over the top considering that's a federal highway. During one news conference the governor said there were something like 200 flights/day from NY/NJ to FL and he ordered that all travelers from that area (as well as other hot spots) self quarantine for two weeks. Kind of hard to do if you just flew into town. So now our hot spots are centered around all the major airports. That's not a reflection on NY just the unfortunate nature of a pandemic. One has to understand that our governors concerns were motivated by the fact that FL is chock full of retirees with pre-existing conditions. i.e. his voter base. I haven't heard of anyone being accosted for driving with NY tags in FL. That would be a full time job around here. It also seems a bit counter intuitive if one fears being infected.

I pretty much agree with Richard and Matt's views on the article about masks used by dentists. That was clearly written from the viewpoint of someone who spends all day working in other peoples mouths. The part about sub-micron aerosols was a bit concerning and it makes clear the need to follow all safety precautions. Just today I saw video of folks in the unemployment line. Most wearing masks but standing only 2-3 feet apart. Yesterday my next door neighbor (talking across the fence 20' away) claimed there were 4 cases of infection at a warehouse where his mother works about 1 mile from my home. Not sure how reliable that info was but right now my preference is for social isolation.

JP
Re: [GMCnet] Covid 19 [message #353654 is a reply to message #353639] Thu, 09 April 2020 22:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jp Benson wrote on Thu, 09 April 2020 13:32

If you want to consider the value (or not) of wearing one here's an "expert" opinion from the dental world:
https://www.oralhealthgroup.com/features/face-masks-dont-work-revealing-review/
Of course they only consider the issue from their side of the equation since the patient can't wear a mask.
That article rankled as it reached the conclusion "Until this occurs, as this review has revealed, dentists have nothing to fear by unmasking." Seriously?! The author's contention was that because masks have not been rigorously tested in clinical trials there's _nothing _ to be gained from protection? What a waste of ink...electrons, whatever.

I delved a little deeper into that site. Half a year earlier they published a less sensationalized article that just laid out the facts.
https://www.oralhealthgroup.com/features/face-mask-performance-protected/
Here's the lead author's bio:
"Dr. John Molinari is currently Director of Infection Control for THE DENTAL ADVISOR in Ann Arbor, Michigan. Previously, he served for 32 years at the University of Detroit Mercy School of Dentistry as Professor and Chairman of the Department of Biomedical Sciences and Director of Infection Control. He has published over 450 scientific articles, text chapters, and abstracts in the areas of microbiology and immunology, and lectures nationally and internationally on topics dealing with infectious diseases and infection control."

Hmmm, that's a bio with nothing to, ahem, sneeze at!

The first article had no bio, which is weird. Further down the rabbit hole...

Well, the guy does have a flair for the dramatic and clickbait titles:
"Gloves Spread Disease and Have Created an Infection Control Dilemma"
Synopsis: If they reuse cheap gloves on different patients you'll die.
"The Limited Value of Evidence-Based Care."
Synopsis: Since people make mistakes you can't trust any data.
"Is This Article Worth Reading? A Critical Analysis of Peer Review"
Synopsis: Not really worth reading. Peer reviews aren't perfect.

In my mind there's little question who's the expert and who I'd trust. Let me put it another way.
If your dentist didn't wear a mask or gloves would you continue to go to them?

We are living in strange times. It is beholden on us to not unwittingly spread misinformation. It is better to say I don't know, play it safe and keep an open mind then to virally spread bugs and questionable info.

JP, this is _not_ directed at you. This is a reminder to myself and others to trust experts without political axes to grind or asses to kiss. To question data and info from all sources, even our favorites, as the truth usually lands somewhere in the middle.

Stay safe, my friends

Richard


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Re: [GMCnet] Covid 19 [message #353655 is a reply to message #353654] Thu, 09 April 2020 23:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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JP,
Our posts crossed in midair! I totally understand your concern, and as a NYer I can say - they scare me too! Smile

There was a report a week or two ago about a guy from NJ that was living in Maine, had been there for months, and the local pitchfork and torch brigade chopped down a tree to block his driveway so he couldn't go out and infect the "villagers".

Like I said, strange times.

Richard


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Re: [GMCnet] Covid 19 [message #353662 is a reply to message #353259] Fri, 10 April 2020 07:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Around here, the hill people would bust a cap at you if you tried that sort of foolishness.


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Re: [GMCnet] Covid 19 [message #353665 is a reply to message #353655] Fri, 10 April 2020 08:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Richard,

Thanks for the link to the article by Molinari and Nelson. It was a lot more informative. We're all on a learning curve and I for one appreciate more information. One good way to get it is to throw something at the wall and try to get others with different viewpoints stimulated enough to pick it apart. AKA brainstorming. And of course keep ones ego out of the process as ego generally inhibits learning.

I don't know why anyone would want to be a dentist but I'm thankful there are people who have the temperament, skill and inclination for the job.

It turns out that I've been wearing dust masks backwards for years. The plastic side faces out in spite of what the picture on the box looks like. The other benefit being that my glasses don't fog up near as much when the mask is properly worn.

Too bad about that guys tree. I guess they don't get so many "big city foreigners" in ME like we do here in FL.

Wish I could get my hands on some ASTM level 3 masks.

Regards,
JP
Re: [GMCnet] Covid 19 [message #353678 is a reply to message #353639] Fri, 10 April 2020 16:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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We are all fine. Daughter's boyfriend contracted it from a co-worker. He didn't show symptoms until after they sent everyone home for quarantine, so luckily none of us has had contact with him since before his presumed infection. Wicked mistress is stocked, and serves as a convenient oasis.

I don't think anyone is "pushing" antimalarial drugs as much as asking why aren't they being tried more? The plural of anecdote is not data, but with people dying, it seems somewhat irresponsible to call for multi-year studies before trying anything new. Its risks are known and the drug is already in the system. It is not available OTC, so there is no danger of the toilet paper crowd snapping it all up and overdosing on it. Why not?

If you want to cast aspersions on the Pharmaceutical industry, there is far more new money to be made with an exclusive vaccine, than just mixing up known formulas for an old drug. I haven't trusted Bill Gate's judgement since Windows ME...

The fake news label comes from the site not censoring content. That does not mean the articles posted are fake, just that anybody can post, and nothing has been vetted - caveat emptor. I saw Bdubs article posted elsewhere and thought it an interesting read. It answers a lot of questions about how it works, if true. It also ties in a story last month in the "respectable" media that O+ blood types had some kind of resistance to the virus. I will admit I did not understand a lot of the detail on the 2nd posted article, but the conclusion seemed to be the same only with a lot more word salad. Will be interesting to see if this train of thought turns out to be true. We will know soon enough.



Jp Benson wrote on Thu, 09 April 2020 15:32


It was an interesting article that Mr Bdub linked to. It kind of makes sense but is almost too good to be true. After googling for more credible information I did find this brain buster:

https://documentcloud.adobe.com/link/review?uri=urn:aaid:scds:US:3fa4252b-b129-4996-a878-7296adffa9a8

Also an interesting read and it may well be the root source of the article that Bdub referenced.

Being the curious person, I also googled "epitome of fake news". Lots of very serious opinions there but anything about the article in question must have been too far down the list for me to search out.


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Re: [GMCnet] Covid 19 [message #353952 is a reply to message #353259] Tue, 21 April 2020 05:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi from the Netherlands, where the numbers slowly are getting down ...

Marjon and I (especially me ...) are trying to keep at home and garden as much as possible.
Our country has a lot of people on a smaller surface Wink
We are on a "intelligent Lockdown" as they call it, only essential shops open, no restaurants, bars, casino's, barbers, no schools etc

Initially we were planning on visiting the US again around this time of year, but after returning from our last visit and nice trip in our "Flying Dutchman" to the GMCWS Rally in Canyonville, OR, I was once again checked for my prostatic cancer and was offered a quite new therapy, for patients with a till now, non-treatable cancer, and since I already had an operation years ago, followed by external radiaton therapy ... all was scarred up and the tumor had grown a lot, PSA was raising too. Luckily this Salvage Prostate HDR Brachytherapy started just a week before they switched to almost only Corona patients, in the hospital of the University Clinic of Maastricht. So they had to finish it ... They treated me in one month time 3 times, OR, general anestetic with internal Iridium Radiation. No a nice thing to undergo, but better then doing nothing.
This therapy is just out of the experimental fase, but it is worth trying in getting the main tumor growth slowing down or even stop from growing further.

So this means, no travelling and staying at home for now. And allthough a lot of people, here in the Netherlands also, think it will pass and the risk isn't that high. Nothing less is true! It did not only kill a lot of people till now, but beware, a lot of the survivers who got realy ill, had to be on the ICU and in a coma often for weeks, will need months to recover, rehab etc ... and even then a lot will suffer from this virus the rest of their lives. Getting bad lungs, internal organs even the bloodflow to your hands and feet gets very bad in several cases. Not to mention the Post ICU syndrom many develop ...

And yes some only get mild or medium symtoms, and yes also very young children can get ill, even die, but the majority will be the elderly and already those have lower resistance.
Lets all stay safe and caucious not only for our families but also others.

Hope to meet you all under better and healty circumstances

Bye, Daniel


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Re: [GMCnet] Covid 19 [message #353961 is a reply to message #353259] Tue, 21 April 2020 10:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks for the update Daniel. It sounds like are about the same there as it is here. Because of geography and varying population density, and varying government ententes (states, cities, and counties) making decisions we are seeing a wide variety of social impact depending on where you live. I only know of one person that is not working. He lost his job last Friday because he works for a multinational company that is loosing big money world wide. The local site is doing fine but the corporate HQ is forcimg all world wide locations the shed employees and stop all ongoing and modernization projects. He lost his job last Friday for an undetermined length of time.

Thanks again for the update.


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Re: [GMCnet] Covid 19 [message #353963 is a reply to message #353952] Tue, 21 April 2020 10:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi Daniel
We’ll miss not seeing you at a convention. Hopefully we’ll resume them at Rapid City.
Hope you and Marion stay safe.

Emery Stora
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> On Apr 21, 2020, at 4:27 AM, Daniel Jacobs via Gmclist wrote:
>
> Hi from the Netherlands, where the numbers slowly are getting down ...
>
> Marjon and I (especially me ...) are trying to keep at home and garden as much as possible.
> Our country has a lot of people on a smaller surface ;)
> We are on a "intelligent Lockdown" as they call it, only essential shops open, no restaurants, bars, casino's, barbers, no schools etc
>
> Initially we were planning on visiting the US again around this time of year, but after returning from our last visit and nice trip in our "Flying
> Dutchman" to the GMCWS Rally in Canyonville, OR, I was once again checked for my prostatic cancer and was offered a quite new therapy, for patients
> with a till now, non-treatable cancer, and since I already had an operation years ago, followed by external radiaton therapy ... all was scarred up
> and the tumor had grown a lot, PSA was raising too. Luckily this Salvage Prostate HDR Brachytherapy started just a week before they switched to almost
> only Corona patients, in the hospital of the University Clinic of Maastricht. So they had to finish it ... They treated me in one month time 3 times,
> OR, general anestetic with internal Iridium Radiation. No a nice thing to undergo, but better then doing nothing.
> This therapy is just out of the experimental fase, but it is worth trying in getting the main tumor growth slowing down or even stop from growing
> further.
>
> So this means, no travelling and staying at home for now. And allthough a lot of people, here in the Netherlands also, think it will pass and the risk
> isn't that high. Nothing less is true! It did not only kill a lot of people till now, but beware, a lot of the survivers who got realy ill, had to be
> on the ICU and in a coma often for weeks, will need months to recover, rehab etc ... and even then a lot will suffer from this virus the rest of their
> lives. Getting bad lungs, internal organs even the bloodflow to your hands and feet gets very bad in several cases. Not to mention the Post ICU
> syndrom many develop ...
>
> And yes some only get mild or medium symtoms, and yes also very young children can get ill, even die, but the majority will be the elderly and already
> those have lower resistance.
> Lets all stay safe and caucious not only for our families but also others.
>
> Hope to meet you all under better and healty circumstances
>
> Bye, Daniel
> --
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Re: [GMCnet] Covid 19 [message #353995 is a reply to message #353963] Tue, 21 April 2020 21:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jeanette is currently offline  Jeanette   United States
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Hello Daniel n Marjon. Good to hear from u but saddened that cancer is active again. 🙏🏻

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> On Apr 21, 2020, at 10:38 AM, Emery Stora via Gmclist wrote:
>
> Hi Daniel
> We’ll miss not seeing you at a convention. Hopefully we’ll resume them at Rapid City.
> Hope you and Marion stay safe.
>
> Emery Stora
> 77 Kingsley
> Frederick, CO
>
>> On Apr 21, 2020, at 4:27 AM, Daniel Jacobs via Gmclist wrote:
>>
>> Hi from the Netherlands, where the numbers slowly are getting down ...
>>
>> Marjon and I (especially me ...) are trying to keep at home and garden as much as possible.
>> Our country has a lot of people on a smaller surface ;)
>> We are on a "intelligent Lockdown" as they call it, only essential shops open, no restaurants, bars, casino's, barbers, no schools etc
>>
>> Initially we were planning on visiting the US again around this time of year, but after returning from our last visit and nice trip in our "Flying
>> Dutchman" to the GMCWS Rally in Canyonville, OR, I was once again checked for my prostatic cancer and was offered a quite new therapy, for patients
>> with a till now, non-treatable cancer, and since I already had an operation years ago, followed by external radiaton therapy ... all was scarred up
>> and the tumor had grown a lot, PSA was raising too. Luckily this Salvage Prostate HDR Brachytherapy started just a week before they switched to almost
>> only Corona patients, in the hospital of the University Clinic of Maastricht. So they had to finish it ... They treated me in one month time 3 times,
>> OR, general anestetic with internal Iridium Radiation. No a nice thing to undergo, but better then doing nothing.
>> This therapy is just out of the experimental fase, but it is worth trying in getting the main tumor growth slowing down or even stop from growing
>> further.
>>
>> So this means, no travelling and staying at home for now. And allthough a lot of people, here in the Netherlands also, think it will pass and the risk
>> isn't that high. Nothing less is true! It did not only kill a lot of people till now, but beware, a lot of the survivers who got realy ill, had to be
>> on the ICU and in a coma often for weeks, will need months to recover, rehab etc ... and even then a lot will suffer from this virus the rest of their
>> lives. Getting bad lungs, internal organs even the bloodflow to your hands and feet gets very bad in several cases. Not to mention the Post ICU
>> syndrom many develop ...
>>
>> And yes some only get mild or medium symtoms, and yes also very young children can get ill, even die, but the majority will be the elderly and already
>> those have lower resistance.
>> Lets all stay safe and caucious not only for our families but also others.
>>
>> Hope to meet you all under better and healty circumstances
>>
>> Bye, Daniel
>> --
>> Daniel Jacobs, NL-USA 1977 GMC Eleganza II, Rebuild 455 (2019) 3.55 FD. FiTech and (Modified) FCC, Selector Valve and Electric Pump, insulated
>> GasTanks, 100A Alternator, APC, McDash, Schräder Valves + extern Fills, Ceramic Film, TPMS, FlexSteel Seats
>>
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Re: [GMCnet] Covid 19 [message #353999 is a reply to message #353259] Wed, 22 April 2020 02:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Handyman is currently offline  Handyman   Netherlands
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Thanks, Jeanette, Emery and Ken,

Yes we hope depending how I feel and of course how global traveling recovers, we all can meet again and enjoy meeting up again.

Bye, Daniel

PS: Here a link to our "Tallahassee PhotoBook" .... including pictures of our breakdown, also the GMCMI Rally in Tallahassee and the trip we made, despite the breakdown ...
The later on picking up of the GMC and our return travels to Tucson ...

https://www.albelli.nl/onlinefotoboek-bekijken/41080d17-5169-4d58-bbfe-1ca1e553506d


Daniel Jacobs, NL-USA 1977 GMC Eleganza II, Rebuild 455 (2019) 3.55 FD. FiTech and (Modified) FCC, Electric Pump, insulated GasTanks, 100A Alternator, APC, McDash, Schräder Valves + extern Fills, Ceramic Film, TPMS, FlexSteel Seats
Re: [GMCnet] Covid 19 [message #354003 is a reply to message #353999] Wed, 22 April 2020 07:53 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
Larry is currently offline  Larry   United States
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Handyman wrote on Wed, 22 April 2020 02:53
Thanks, Jeanette, Emery and Ken,

Yes we hope depending how I feel and of course how global traveling recovers, we all can meet again and enjoy meeting up again.

Bye, Daniel

PS: Here a link to our "Tallahassee PhotoBook" .... including pictures of our breakdown, also the GMCMI Rally in Tallahassee and the trip we made, despite the breakdown ...
The later on picking up of the GMC and our return travels to Tucson ...

https://www.albelli.nl/onlinefotoboek-bekijken/41080d17-5169-4d58-bbfe-1ca1e553506d
Wow...what a GREAT album!! Loved looking at it. How's the new engine running? It was the engine....right?


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78 Royale w/500 Caddy
Menomonie, WI.
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