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| Re: [GMCnet] LS swap into GMC motorhome [message #346665 is a reply to message #346663] |
Tue, 20 August 2019 17:53   |
James Hupy
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Jim, it is the "Old Bull vs Young Bull" syndrome. The young ones have
soooooo much to learn, and are not good at listening to us old bulls who
have been there, done that already. Only experience will teach them what
they need to know.
There is more to the "Old Bull-Young Bull" story. Best shared off net
over Adult Beverages. Don't wish to offend anyone on the net.
Jim Hupy
Salem,Oregon
On Tue, Aug 20, 2019, 3:43 PM Jim Miller via Gmclist <
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> On Aug 20, 2019, at 4:46 PM, tonka6cuda6--- via Gmclist gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
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>> If i was looking to throw "the bucks" at this motor set up id be looking
> at a pro-charger like a Paxton....rebuild the motor specifically for it and
> hope like heck the drivetrain can take 500 or 600hp.
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> Are our stock 455s and 403s lacking on power or endurance in some way? I
> have two coaches with one of each engine and they have always done whatever
> I’ve asked them to do. I want maximum reliability from them - not maximum
> horsepower. The engine and drivetrain are already working at a
> marine/industrial duty cycle when going down the Interstate and I sure
> don’t want to ask the driveline to eat anything additional by putting in
> some monster engine.
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> FWIW, I already know the answer to my question posed above but I am
> curious about peoples' motivation for going through a bunch of machinations
> to graft in high HP/high torque engines and drivelines when the existing
> ones seem to work fine.
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> Jim Miller
> 1977 Eleganza
> 1977 Royale
> Hamilton, OH
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| Re: [GMCnet] LS swap into GMC motorhome [message #346669 is a reply to message #346665] |
Tue, 20 August 2019 18:18 |
Jim Miller
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> On Aug 20, 2019, at 6:53 PM, James Hupy via Gmclist wrote:
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> Jim, it is the "Old Bull vs Young Bull" syndrome. The young ones have soooooo much to learn, and are not good at listening to us old bulls who have been there, done that already. Only experience will teach them what they need to know. There is more to the "Old Bull-Young Bull" story. Best shared off net over Adult Beverages.
Agree completely Jim. Hope to meet you in person some day to share stories and some of those beverages.
—Jim
Jim Miller
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| Re: LS swap into GMC motorhome [message #346674 is a reply to message #346593] |
Tue, 20 August 2019 21:08 |
Justin Brady
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I think the 455 is fine honestly, I would really like a transmission with a few more gears though.
There's several spots where I feel like I'm missing a gear.
I think people tend to assume that a little more power is going to really make the thing move. I don't think so. My daily is a tuned Duramax with a good bit more power than you'd get with an LS, but once you crank the gvrw up to 11-12k it's not that much faster than the GMC. I think people are overlooking the weight of the thing. Yes more hp and torque will get you up and going quicker but I don't know how much quicker before you just start breaking things.
I'd be interested to drive one of Dave Lenzi's 8.1 swaps just to see.
Justin Brady
http://www.thegmcrv.com/
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| Re: LS swap into GMC motorhome [message #346678 is a reply to message #346593] |
Tue, 20 August 2019 22:36 |
Larry
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I'm running a 8.2 Cadillac. (.020 over 500CID) Pretty happy with it. If you are looking for a little more, it is a relatively easy swap as it is a bolt-up to the 425. A few things need to be done to it to make it fully reliable. And with the right parts can be port injected with full fuel and spark mapping, lean cruise, and DEFCO. With the right cam, all of the torque between 2500 and 3500. If you want more gear, Final Drives are available and the 425 from a 66-67 Toro and the 67 Eldo is a switch pitch giving you one more "gear" in each of 1, 2, 3 and reverse for a little more to accelerate getting on freeway ramps. (don't try that in reverse.  ) Works for me. JWID
Larry 
78 Royale w/500 Caddy
Menomonie, WI.
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| Re: LS swap into GMC motorhome [message #346686 is a reply to message #346674] |
Wed, 21 August 2019 08:40 |
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Matt Colie
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Justin Brady wrote on Tue, 20 August 2019 22:08I think the 455 is fine honestly, I would really like a transmission with a few more gears though.
There's several spots where I feel like I'm missing a gear.
I think people tend to assume that a little more power is going to really make the thing move. I don't think so. My daily is a tuned Duramax with a good bit more power than you'd get with an LS, but once you crank the gvrw up to 11-12k it's not that much faster than the GMC. I think people are overlooking the weight of the thing. Yes more hp and torque will get you up and going quicker but I don't know how much quicker before you just start breaking things.
I'd be interested to drive one of Dave Lenzi's 8.1 swaps just to see.
Justin,
If you feel like you are missing a gear, you probably have the wrong cam in there. Mine was never bad, but when I redid the engine (because a piston failed) I replaced the cam with the number that Dick Paterson recommended. It is much improved, but I still might like a 3.55 (the coach is less than 10K#).
I don't need it to go any faster. When in traffic, I often have to back off the acceleration ramp because the 4-wheel ahead is not moving. As for breaking things, JimK has a twin-turbo 520 and the transmission has not been his big problem.
Yes, a Dave Lenzi 8.1 is a nice package, but you better talk to him. He does employ some serious magical arts to make it all go.
Matt
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
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| Re: [GMCnet] LS swap into GMC motorhome [message #346687 is a reply to message #346665] |
Wed, 21 August 2019 08:43 |
tmsnyder
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It sure would be nice if all this experience and knowledge were organized somewhere it could be accessed by the newer owners of these coaches. All that info is going to be lost.
The only reason anyone younger and less experienced is on here apparently 'not listening' is b/c you may have covered it 10 years ago with someone, but that person is _long_gone_ and a new person comes along and asks the same question. It must get old for you guys with all the knowledge and experience. But it's not the new guy's fault, it's actually your fault for not being organized and preserving the knowledge you have. He or she probably looked for the answer and couldn't find it b/c all this stuff is impossible to find on this forum, or pretty much all the other GMC pages for that matter.
I had to laugh the other day, googling around I found a website with some good info, went to its homepage and there wasn't a way to navigate back to the page from the main page (except by the return button). It was as if someone would just have to know the page existed and type it in by hand to get there. Or stumble upon it and bookmark it for future reference. That kind of summed up my experience with anything GMC related on the internet. As long as you're generalizing new owners vs old owners, I'll generalize GMC webpages. They are bad.
Along the same lines, the info for part numbers for common automotive parts shouldn't be a secret within our 'community'. 100% of the time, the answer shouldn't be 'call vendor X' so I can pay double for a part that I could walk in and get at my local NAPA.
If you want to see how a good forum is run, check out ChevyTalk or http://www.classicwinnebagos.com/forum/ . They use 'stickies' for topics that have been covered well, and asked often.
I love the old bull young bull story btw, just told it to someone on Monday that had never heard it, great life lesson but a poor analogy for this situation.
A better analogy would be a teacher being mad at a student for not remembering what was taught in the same classroom the previous year (to a different set of students).
<<Jim, it is the "Old Bull vs Young Bull" syndrome. The young ones have
soooooo much to learn, and are not good at listening to us old bulls who
have been there, done that already. Only experience will teach them what
they need to know.
There is more to the "Old Bull-Young Bull" story. Best shared off net
over Adult Beverages. Don't wish to offend anyone on the net.
Jim Hupy
Salem,Oregon>>>>
Todd Snyder, Buffalo NY
1976 Eleganza II
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| Re: [GMCnet] LS swap into GMC motorhome [message #346689 is a reply to message #346687] |
Wed, 21 August 2019 09:04 |
Jim Miller
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On Aug 21, 2019, at 9:43 AM, Todd Snyder via Gmclist wrote:
> It sure would be nice if all this experience and knowledge were organized somewhere it could be accessed by the newer owners of these coaches
How about Google? I just googled: gmcnet engine swap
…and the #1 result is a discussion of LS engine swaps from back in 2016. Further down the results are discussions of diesels from 2011.
As for “organized somewhere”: Bdub’s site is a tremendous compendium of GMC MH information and there are others that are easily located via search engine.
—Jim
Jim Miller
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| Re: LS swap into GMC motorhome [message #346693 is a reply to message #346593] |
Wed, 21 August 2019 10:05 |
jhbridges
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Old bull - young bull original story. The youbng bull looks down the pasture a bit at the cows there and tells the old bull "Hey Old Bull, let's run down the pasture and jump a cow". Old Bull repiles "No, youngster, let's WALK down there and jump them ALL."
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
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| Re: [GMCnet] LS swap into GMC motorhome [message #346697 is a reply to message #346595] |
Wed, 21 August 2019 11:43 |
rallymaster
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Good on you, Todd.
I hereby nominate you to gather all this valuable information into a
central location, and make it readily available to all, by a simple
search function.
Ronc
On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 07:43:31 -0600 Todd Snyder via Gmclist
writes:
>
> It sure would be nice if all this experience and knowledge were
> organized somewhere it could be accessed by the newer owners of
> these coaches. All
> that info is going to be lost.
>
> The only reason anyone younger and less experienced is on here
> apparently 'not listening' is b/c you may have covered it 10 years
> ago with someone,
> but that person is _long_gone_ and a new person comes along and asks
> the same question. It must get old for you guys with all the
> knowledge and
> experience. But it's not the new guy's fault, it's actually your
> fault for not being organized and preserving the knowledge you have.
> He or she
> probably looked for the answer and couldn't find it b/c all this
> stuff is impossible to find on this forum, or pretty much all the
> other GMC pages for
> that matter.
>
> I had to laugh the other day, googling around I found a website with
> some good info, went to its homepage and there wasn't a way to
> navigate back to
> the page from the main page (except by the return button). It was
> as if someone would just have to know the page existed and type it
> in by hand to
> get there. Or stumble upon it and bookmark it for future
> reference. That kind of summed up my experience with anything GMC
> related on the
> internet. As long as you're generalizing new owners vs old owners,
> I'll generalize GMC webpages. They are bad.
>
> Along the same lines, the info for part numbers for common
> automotive parts shouldn't be a secret within our 'community'. 100%
> of the time, the
> answer shouldn't be 'call vendor X' so I can pay double for a part
> that I could walk in and get at my local NAPA.
>
> If you want to see how a good forum is run, check out ChevyTalk or
> http://www.classicwinnebagos.com/forum/ . They use 'stickies' for
> topics that
> have been covered well, and asked often.
>
> I love the old bull young bull story btw, just told it to someone on
> Monday that had never heard it, great life lesson but a poor analogy
> for this
> situation.
>
> A better analogy would be a teacher being mad at a student for not
> remembering what was taught in the same classroom the previous year
> (to a different
> set of students).
>
>
>
>
> soooooo much to learn, and are not good at listening to us old bulls
> who
> have been there, done that already. Only experience will teach them
> what
> they need to know.
> There is more to the "Old Bull-Young Bull" story. Best shared off
> net
> over Adult Beverages. Don't wish to offend anyone on the net.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem,Oregon>>>>
> --
> Todd Snyder, Buffalo NY
> 1976 Eleganza II
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] LS swap into GMC motorhome [message #346698 is a reply to message #346693] |
Wed, 21 August 2019 12:03 |
jimk
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Todd,
You have no idea as to how much time we spend on the phone helping people.
We cannot exist if we cannot create a margin to stay in business.
If you think I just fell out of a truck full of rice. you better examine my
credentials. I have degrees and certifications and mgt. experience.
We donat to International and other GMC organizatio 3-4K per year and are
active in seminars.
Did you know that I was intalmental in raising funds to present
Keep supporting the other people
I take personal offense to your comment on paying double with everything
we sell.
There are lot of parts you cannot get from NAPA or other National Part
suppliers.
On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 8:06 AM Johnny Bridges via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> Old bull - young bull original story. The youbng bull looks down the
> pasture a bit at the cows there and tells the old bull "Hey Old Bull, let's
> run
> down the pasture and jump a cow". Old Bull repiles "No, youngster, let's
> WALK down there and jump them ALL."
>
> --johnny
> --
> Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
> Braselton, Ga.
> I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me
> in hell
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| Re: [GMCnet] LS swap into GMC motorhome [message #346699 is a reply to message #346698] |
Wed, 21 August 2019 12:13 |
Sammy Williams
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The "JIMS" must be supported. They both have elected to service a very
small segment of the market that could easily go without a supplier, LET
ALONE TWO. Both of them must make a profit, thats just how capitalism
works. Enjoyment of the hobby at the end of the day isn't going to feed the
bulldog. I have no problem with the markup they place on an item as I know
its going to keep a supplier here that could just as easily go elsewhere.
Be glad you have your "JIMS" many communities of odd vehicles have NO
suppliers, let alone two.
Sammy Williams
On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 12:04 PM Jim Kanomata via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> Todd,
> You have no idea as to how much time we spend on the phone helping people.
> We cannot exist if we cannot create a margin to stay in business.
> If you think I just fell out of a truck full of rice. you better examine my
> credentials. I have degrees and certifications and mgt. experience.
> We donat to International and other GMC organizatio 3-4K per year and are
> active in seminars.
> Did you know that I was intalmental in raising funds to present
> Keep supporting the other people
> I take personal offense to your comment on paying double with everything
> we sell.
> There are lot of parts you cannot get from NAPA or other National Part
> suppliers.
>
> On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 8:06 AM Johnny Bridges via Gmclist gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Old bull - young bull original story. The youbng bull looks down the
>> pasture a bit at the cows there and tells the old bull "Hey Old Bull,
> let's
>> run
>> down the pasture and jump a cow". Old Bull repiles "No, youngster, let's
>> WALK down there and jump them ALL."
>>
>> --johnny
>> --
>> Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
>> Braselton, Ga.
>> I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me
>> in hell
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
> --
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> http://www.appliedgmc.com
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| Re: [GMCnet] LS swap into GMC motorhome [message #346701 is a reply to message #346697] |
Wed, 21 August 2019 12:20 |
emerystora
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How about we nominate you to do this?
There is a tremendous amount of information on the net if you look for it.
GMCMI.com
GMCWS. com
GMCES and others.
For years many of us have been providing information to bdub com where BillyMassey has been compiling and storing it.
The GMCMI.com site has a parts interchange open to all, even non members,that lists thousands of part numbers for GMC parts so that you can indeed go into NAPA and many other suppliers and give them their part number or ones they can cross reference.
In fact we have a NAPA zone manager as a member who has kept the GMCMI parts interchange updated with the latest part numbers from NAPA.
It has been the goal of many GMC owners over the years to preserve information on GMCs and pass it on to new owners.
Instead of criticizing why don‘t you get more proactive and solve what you perceive to be a problem and not just nominate others to do it for you.
Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Frederick, CO
> On Aug 21, 2019, at 10:43 AM, rallymaster--- via Gmclist wrote:
>
> Good on you, Todd.
> I hereby nominate you to gather all this valuable information into a
> central location, and make it readily available to all, by a simple
> search function.
>
> Ronc
>
>
> On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 07:43:31 -0600 Todd Snyder via Gmclist
> writes:
>>
>> It sure would be nice if all this experience and knowledge were
>> organized somewhere it could be accessed by the newer owners of
>> these coaches. All
>> that info is going to be lost.
>>
>> The only reason anyone younger and less experienced is on here
>> apparently 'not listening' is b/c you may have covered it 10 years
>> ago with someone,
>> but that person is _long_gone_ and a new person comes along and asks
>> the same question. It must get old for you guys with all the
>> knowledge and
>> experience. But it's not the new guy's fault, it's actually your
>> fault for not being organized and preserving the knowledge you have.
>> He or she
>> probably looked for the answer and couldn't find it b/c all this
>> stuff is impossible to find on this forum, or pretty much all the
>> other GMC pages for
>> that matter.
>>
>> I had to laugh the other day, googling around I found a website with
>> some good info, went to its homepage and there wasn't a way to
>> navigate back to
>> the page from the main page (except by the return button). It was
>> as if someone would just have to know the page existed and type it
>> in by hand to
>> get there. Or stumble upon it and bookmark it for future
>> reference. That kind of summed up my experience with anything GMC
>> related on the
>> internet. As long as you're generalizing new owners vs old owners,
>> I'll generalize GMC webpages. They are bad.
>>
>> Along the same lines, the info for part numbers for common
>> automotive parts shouldn't be a secret within our 'community'. 100%
>> of the time, the
>> answer shouldn't be 'call vendor X' so I can pay double for a part
>> that I could walk in and get at my local NAPA.
>>
>> If you want to see how a good forum is run, check out ChevyTalk or
>> http://www.classicwinnebagos.com/forum/ . They use 'stickies' for
>> topics that
>> have been covered well, and asked often.
>>
>> I love the old bull young bull story btw, just told it to someone on
>> Monday that had never heard it, great life lesson but a poor analogy
>> for this
>> situation.
>>
>> A better analogy would be a teacher being mad at a student for not
>> remembering what was taught in the same classroom the previous year
>> (to a different
>> set of students).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> have
>> soooooo much to learn, and are not good at listening to us old bulls
>> who
>> have been there, done that already. Only experience will teach them
>> what
>> they need to know.
>> There is more to the "Old Bull-Young Bull" story. Best shared off
>> net
>> over Adult Beverages. Don't wish to offend anyone on the net.
>> Jim Hupy
>> Salem,Oregon>>>>
>> --
>> Todd Snyder, Buffalo NY
>> 1976 Eleganza II
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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> North Plains, ORYGUN
> 1978 Eleganza II
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| Re: [GMCnet] LS swap into GMC motorhome [message #346704 is a reply to message #346702] |
Wed, 21 August 2019 14:03 |
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I'm not sure where this perception of "paying twice what I can get it for elsewhere" about the GMC vendors comes from. I buy all major parts from Jim K and have never felt like I was price gouged. Maybe he is a little higher on some things, but it is well worth the price to get the right part and the benefit of his experience. Same goes for Jim Bounds and Alex Sirum.
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
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| Re: [GMCnet] LS swap into GMC motorhome [message #346705 is a reply to message #346704] |
Wed, 21 August 2019 14:19 |
James Hupy
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There will always be a certain element of purchasers who shop by price
only. They always persue the lowest possible price, regardless of quality.
If their resources are extremely limited, I fully understand their
position.
I have a bit different take on purchases that I personally have
anything to do with. If I have a customer vehicle in the work bay and it is
incapacitated for lack of parts on hand, and I have to do a parts search vs
making a phone call to one of our vendors, guess what I am going to do. MY
TIME IS MONEY, I am not fond of wasting any of it.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon
On Wed, Aug 21, 2019, 12:05 PM Carl Stouffer via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> I'm not sure where this perception of "paying twice what I can get it for
> elsewhere" about the GMC vendors comes from. I buy all major parts from Jim
> K and have never felt like I was price gouged. Maybe he is a little
> higher on some things, but it is well worth the price to get the right part
> and
> the benefit of his experience. Same goes for Jim Bounds and Alex Sirum.
> --
> Carl Stouffer
> '75 ex Palm Beach
> Tucson, AZ.
> Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive,
> Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American
> Eagles,
> Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
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| Re: [GMCnet] LS swap into GMC motorhome [message #346707 is a reply to message #346701] |
Wed, 21 August 2019 15:10 |
sgltrac
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My thoughts almost exactly Emery. Millennial??
Sully
Bellevue wa.
On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 10:21 AM Emery Stora via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> How about we nominate you to do this?
>
> There is a tremendous amount of information on the net if you look for it.
> GMCMI.com
> GMCWS. com
> GMCES and others.
> For years many of us have been providing information to bdub com where
> BillyMassey has been compiling and storing it.
>
> The GMCMI.com site has a parts interchange open to all, even non
> members,that lists thousands of part numbers for GMC parts so that you can
> indeed go into NAPA and many other suppliers and give them their part
> number or ones they can cross reference.
>
> In fact we have a NAPA zone manager as a member who has kept the GMCMI
> parts interchange updated with the latest part numbers from NAPA.
>
> It has been the goal of many GMC owners over the years to preserve
> information on GMCs and pass it on to new owners.
>
> Instead of criticizing why don‘t you get more proactive and solve what you
> perceive to be a problem and not just nominate others to do it for you.
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> Emery Stora
> 77 Kingsley
> Frederick, CO
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>> On Aug 21, 2019, at 10:43 AM, rallymaster--- via Gmclist gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Good on you, Todd.
>> I hereby nominate you to gather all this valuable information into a
>> central location, and make it readily available to all, by a simple
>> search function.
>>
>> Ronc
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 07:43:31 -0600 Todd Snyder via Gmclist
>> writes:
>>>
>>> It sure would be nice if all this experience and knowledge were
>>> organized somewhere it could be accessed by the newer owners of
>>> these coaches. All
>>> that info is going to be lost.
>>>
>>> The only reason anyone younger and less experienced is on here
>>> apparently 'not listening' is b/c you may have covered it 10 years
>>> ago with someone,
>>> but that person is _long_gone_ and a new person comes along and asks
>>> the same question. It must get old for you guys with all the
>>> knowledge and
>>> experience. But it's not the new guy's fault, it's actually your
>>> fault for not being organized and preserving the knowledge you have.
>>> He or she
>>> probably looked for the answer and couldn't find it b/c all this
>>> stuff is impossible to find on this forum, or pretty much all the
>>> other GMC pages for
>>> that matter.
>>>
>>> I had to laugh the other day, googling around I found a website with
>>> some good info, went to its homepage and there wasn't a way to
>>> navigate back to
>>> the page from the main page (except by the return button). It was
>>> as if someone would just have to know the page existed and type it
>>> in by hand to
>>> get there. Or stumble upon it and bookmark it for future
>>> reference. That kind of summed up my experience with anything GMC
>>> related on the
>>> internet. As long as you're generalizing new owners vs old owners,
>>> I'll generalize GMC webpages. They are bad.
>>>
>>> Along the same lines, the info for part numbers for common
>>> automotive parts shouldn't be a secret within our 'community'. 100%
>>> of the time, the
>>> answer shouldn't be 'call vendor X' so I can pay double for a part
>>> that I could walk in and get at my local NAPA.
>>>
>>> If you want to see how a good forum is run, check out ChevyTalk or
>>> http://www.classicwinnebagos.com/forum/ . They use 'stickies' for
>>> topics that
>>> have been covered well, and asked often.
>>>
>>> I love the old bull young bull story btw, just told it to someone on
>>> Monday that had never heard it, great life lesson but a poor analogy
>>> for this
>>> situation.
>>>
>>> A better analogy would be a teacher being mad at a student for not
>>> remembering what was taught in the same classroom the previous year
>>> (to a different
>>> set of students).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > have
>>> soooooo much to learn, and are not good at listening to us old bulls
>>> who
>>> have been there, done that already. Only experience will teach them
>>> what
>>> they need to know.
>>> There is more to the "Old Bull-Young Bull" story. Best shared off
>>> net
>>> over Adult Beverages. Don't wish to offend anyone on the net.
>>> Jim Hupy
>>> Salem,Oregon>>>>
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>>> Todd Snyder, Buffalo NY
>>> 1976 Eleganza II
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>> Ron & Linda Clark
>> North Plains, ORYGUN
>> 1978 Eleganza II
>>
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Future motorhome land speed record holder(bucket list)
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| Re: [GMCnet] LS swap into GMC motorhome [message #346708 is a reply to message #346704] |
Wed, 21 August 2019 15:25 |
tmsnyder
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What your talking here is paying extra b/c the knowledge, the information, of where to get that correct part isn't available, or you're willing to pay extra for the convenience of not having to chase down the part. Everyone has a right to do it the way they want . I'd like to have the information and have the option of chasing it down myself, not just have the only option be to "call Jim".
<<it is well worth the price to get the right part and the benefit of his experience.>>>
Todd Snyder, Buffalo NY
1976 Eleganza II
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| Re: [GMCnet] LS swap into GMC motorhome [message #346709 is a reply to message #346698] |
Wed, 21 August 2019 15:56 |
tmsnyder
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I'll reply below:
<<<<Todd,
You have no idea as to how much time we spend on the phone helping people.>>>
This doesn't surprise me, information about these is not easy to find online. I know there's a bunch of good info out there but, holy cow, good luck finding it when you need it.
<<<We cannot exist if we cannot create a margin to stay in business.>>>
Absolutely, some of the value of the part is the knowledge that it will fit and be good quality. People get that when they buy from you. If it's a common part though, then they are just paying extra for the knowledge and imo the knowledge is out there and should be accessible as an option for someone willing to buy locally.
<<<If you think I just fell out of a truck full of rice. you better examine my
credentials. I have degrees and certifications and mgt. experience.
We donat to International and other GMC organizatio 3-4K per year and are
active in seminars.
Did you know that I was intalmental in raising funds to present
Keep supporting the other people>>>
Not sure what to make of this, sorry.....
<<<I take personal offense to your comment on paying double with everything
we sell.
There are lot of parts you cannot get from NAPA or other National Part
suppliers.>>>>
Sorry I offended you, I didn't mean to. But I never said you were gouging, this is a free country. Charge whatever you want to charge. You have overhead you need to cover, it can't be cheap to operate out of CA. If people are willing to pay it then great.
And like you said, some parts are not available except through suppliers that you have developed.
Todd Snyder, Buffalo NY
1976 Eleganza II
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| Re: LS swap into GMC motorhome [message #346710 is a reply to message #346593] |
Wed, 21 August 2019 16:12 |
6cuda6
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Having restored 2 cars that parts were almost none existant for i can attest that having commercial support by individuals as dedicated as these businesses is one heck of a bonus!
I think sometimes people forget that these are 40+ year old motorhomes that GMC does not support and a large portion of the parts these guys sell have been sourced, made, modified etc by them.
Am i guilty for not buying from them yet....sure, not by choice but because the exchange rate plus shipping kills me but i do have a list of "unobtanium" that they do have and when the time comes they will get the call and the order will be placed so i can do my part to support these great business individuals.
Rich Mondor,
Brockville, ON
77 Hughes 2600
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