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Mon, 11 March 2013 16:41   |
Cadillackeeper
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Woosh,The Main reason I own and drive these vehicles is cause there is not any old
timer chips or Any chips.The wheel really does'nt need to be reinvented.
I often wonder how people even drove for over 100 years before all this electronic overthinking got involved.
I have to be smarter than the car!!
I still have a points distro in my daily driver ON PURPOSE!
77 455 Elaganza II and 67 Animal, Built 500 Powered Eldo
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| Re: [GMCnet] proportional power steering [message #201343 is a reply to message #201335] |
Mon, 11 March 2013 18:25 |
Ken Henderson
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Ah well, I try to stay away from TSA and off of airplanes these days anyway
-- never know who might be drivin' the darned thing! And I danged sure
ain't ridin' no boat that far, so I guess it'll be OK.
Ken H.
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 5:47 PM, Robert Mueller wrote:
> Ken,
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> Looks like you're not going to be able to by that vacation home in the
> Bahamas with profits from electric wiper sales! ;-)
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| Re: [GMCnet] proportional power steering [message #201351 is a reply to message #201327] |
Mon, 11 March 2013 19:33 |
jhbridges
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Well, I'll make ya even richer. Hustle down to the Men's Mall and bag the wiper mechanism off the headlights of a 500 series Merc. Figure how to mount them such that the wiper arc will let you see the mirrors in your GMC. I'll buy the first set. There's just not any way to get the main wipers around the curve of the wondshield. Coming back from Starkburg in the rainstorm, I nearly wiped the toad across a couple of folks moving to the right lane cos the mirror was obscured. The (awful looking) ones Prevost mounts might do - at least the right one could be pushed out enough to be in the right side wiper arc. I don't think you'd ever get the left one there.
From: Ken Henderson <hend4800@bellsouth.net>
To: gmclist <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] proportional power steering
Darn it, Johnny! Here I am trying to get everyone to restrict their
pressure so they'll want reliable, steady speed electric wipers & you go
let the cat out of the bag about my only slightly nefarious scheme!
Ken H.
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 1:34 PM, Johnny Bridges wrote:
> Well, consider this. For those of us who haven't yet visited your Wiper
> Store, restircting the pump output may not be the absolutely smartest idea
> going. It'd be like our '47 Plymouth when I was a kid... the more you give
> it the gas, the less wipers yuo had. Or in this case, the faster you're
> going, the slower the wipers...
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| Re: [GMCnet] proportional power steering [message #201474 is a reply to message #201460] |
Tue, 12 March 2013 22:16 |
Ken Henderson
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Bob,
I take it you don't think we should waste any time tinkering with EVO? Any
reasons other than those we've already heard?
Ken H.
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 10:09 PM, Bob de Kruyff wrote:
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> EVO was used on 1996 full size 1500 thru 3500 pickups and utilities. I
> tried to cancel it at the last minute but was unsuccessful.
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| Re: [GMCnet] proportional power steering [message #201621 is a reply to message #201474] |
Wed, 13 March 2013 22:38 |
Bob de Kruyff
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| Ken Henderson wrote on Tue, 12 March 2013 21:16 |
Bob,
I take it you don't think we should waste any time tinkering with EVO? Any
reasons other than those we've already heard?
Ken H.
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 10:09 PM, Bob de Kruyff wrote:
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> EVO was used on 1996 full size 1500 thru 3500 pickups and utilities. I
> tried to cancel it at the last minute but was unsuccessful.
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If GM couldn't make it work what makes you think we can? I know we love to tinker which I sure think is cool, but GM wasted millions on this and I wouldn't take it lightly. The problems with this system were deeply rooted and much deeper than what we have discussed here.
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] proportional power steering [message #201623 is a reply to message #201621] |
Wed, 13 March 2013 22:49 |
Ken Henderson
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'Nuff said for me. I don't expect to fool with it. Got too few
life-minutes left to waste 'em on that. And it sounded like such a nice
idea at first blush. :-)
Ken H.
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 11:38 PM, Bob de Kruyff wrote:
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> Ken Henderson wrote on Tue, 12 March 2013 21:16
> > Bob,
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> > I take it you don't think we should waste any time tinkering with EVO?
> Any
> > reasons other than those we've already heard?
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| Re: [GMCnet] proportional power steering [message #201645 is a reply to message #201621] |
Thu, 14 March 2013 09:18 |
Keith V
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| Bob de Kruyff wrote on Wed, 13 March 2013 22:38 |
If GM couldn't make it work what makes you think we can? I know we love to tinker which I sure think is cool, but GM wasted millions on this and I wouldn't take it lightly. The problems with this system were deeply rooted and much deeper than what we have discussed here.
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well GM's requirements for working and mine are vastly different.
I am more than happy with a knob that adjusts the effort with no automatic adjustments at all.
I'm very happy with it on my Vette.
GM has to satisfy picky un-educated whiny customers
BIG difference.
Keith Vasilakes
Mounds View. MN
75 ex Royale GMC
ask me about MicroLevel
Cell, 763-732-3419
My427v8@hotmail.com
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| Re: [GMCnet] proportional power steering [message #201667 is a reply to message #201653] |
Thu, 14 March 2013 12:04 |
Kosier
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Kerry,
The street rodders have to reduce the PS pump pressure for R & P steering.
It's very easy to twiddle with
the pressure regulator in the pump. But, a better solution is a tight front
end and 5 degrees of caster.
Goes down the road like a bullet and steers stiffer at low speed. Because,
with that much caster, you're
raising the front end slightly when you turn. The weight of that fat boy
makes it go straight.
Gary Kosier
77 PB & 77EL2
-----Original Message-----
From: Kerry Pinkerton
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 11:07 AM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] proportional power steering
[quote title=Keith V wrote on Thu, 14 March 2013 09:18]Bob de Kruyff wrote
on Wed, 13 March 2013 22:38
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> well GM's requirements for working and mine are vastly different.
> I am more than happy with a knob that adjusts the effort with no automatic
> adjustments at all....
I'm with you Keith. I'll admit that I understood about every ninth word of
the discussion. :blush: :lol:
Tell us more about the system on the vette? I'm happy with a knob also. Or
even just reducing the total amount of assist would work for me. I can deal
with a little more effort at low speed if that is what it takes to firm up
the steering at highway speeds.
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Kerry Pinkerton
North Alabama, near Huntsville,
77 Eleganza II, "The Lady", 403CI, also a 76 Eleganza being re-bodied as an
Art Deco car hauler
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| Re: [GMCnet] proportional power steering [message #201757 is a reply to message #201623] |
Fri, 15 March 2013 22:02 |
Bob de Kruyff
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| Ken Henderson wrote on Wed, 13 March 2013 21:49 |
'Nuff said for me. I don't expect to fool with it. Got too few
life-minutes left to waste 'em on that. And it sounded like such a nice
idea at first blush. 
Ken H.
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 11:38 PM, Bob de Kruyff wrote:
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> Ken Henderson wrote on Tue, 12 March 2013 21:16
> > Bob,
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> > I take it you don't think we should waste any time tinkering with EVO?
> Any
> > reasons other than those we've already heard?
> >
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Yes Ken. We learned that controlling effort and feel by strangling the response side was a big mistake. You need to do it at the input side.
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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| Re: proportional power steering [message #201759 is a reply to message #201060] |
Fri, 15 March 2013 22:08 |
Bob de Kruyff
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| Cadillackeeper wrote on Fri, 08 March 2013 19:14 |
Kerry,The coach does have what GM called variable ratio power steering.I f you turn fast the wheels will turn fast ,If you turn slow the wheels turn slow.The 67/8 Eldos were the first to have it.The rest of GM got it in 1970.You can tighten it.It is very sensitive.You loosen the outside nut and tighten the inside then tighten the outside.Kinda like an adjustable roller rocker
works.Have a pro help as it is unforgiving.Too far and its bad.....
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Variable ratio is very dfferent than variable effort. The GMC had neither intentionally. If the effort increases while turning the wheel quickly, it indicates an insufficient flow or excessive friction in the system. This is a BAD thing.
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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