| The stumper question of the day! [message #354463] |
Mon, 04 May 2020 18:03  |
6cuda6
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OK some of you know we acquired a 1977 Hughes 2600 last summer. Im not sure if its original paint or not but if it isn't i haven't found any paperwork to the contrary.
So my question is.....does anyone know if the painted on "GMC" on the nose and the "Hughes 2600" painted on the front sides [like decals from GMC] is how they were originally or did it have decals etc.
Rich Mondor,
Brockville, ON
77 Hughes 2600
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| Re: The stumper question of the day! [message #354466 is a reply to message #354463] |
Mon, 04 May 2020 20:35  |
kingd
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Rich, as you probably know, I'm pretty sure your coach was a Transmode
upfitted by Hughes so I'd bet the Hughes 2600 was put on by Hughes.
You might be able to tell with your finger nail if it is paint or a
decal. A decal from the 70s probably started life with some
thickness.
DAVE KING
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Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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| Re: The stumper question of the day! [message #354467 is a reply to message #354466] |
Mon, 04 May 2020 20:44 |
6cuda6
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thanks for the tip....it's definitely paint no question about it and its the same color as the rest of the coach hence the quandary of it being original or not...the black and white brochure seems to indicate it being original but....well its black and white...lol.
kingd wrote on Mon, 04 May 2020 21:35Rich, as you probably know, I'm pretty sure your coach was a Transmode
upfitted by Hughes so I'd bet the Hughes 2600 was put on by Hughes.
You might be able to tell with your finger nail if it is paint or a
decal. A decal from the 70s probably started life with some
thickness.
Rich Mondor,
Brockville, ON
77 Hughes 2600
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| Re: The stumper question of the day! [message #354479 is a reply to message #354467] |
Tue, 05 May 2020 07:43 |
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6cuda6 wrote on Mon, 04 May 2020 21:44thanks for the tip....it's definitely paint no question about it and its the same color as the rest of the coach hence the quandary of it being original or not...the black and white brochure seems to indicate it being original but....well its black and white...lol.
Rich,
While I can't actually answer your question, I can maybe help you determine which.
At that time, a lot of low volume special markings were done with what was called traveling print screens.
A traveling print screen was a hand held printing screen. It had an advantage over hand lettering as both consistent and fast.
To guess if it is hand lettered or printed, there are two methods one of which is newer:
First, inspect the lettering very carefully. Is there any hint of brush marks?? Use magnification if you are not sure.
Second, take a picture of the mark with a visible scale in the picture and reprint it exactly to scale. Now compare the two. Only a print will match exactly.
Matt
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| Re: The stumper question of the day! [message #354481 is a reply to message #354463] |
Tue, 05 May 2020 07:49 |
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Third, take a magnifying glass and look at the edge of the logo. A decal will be straight even under fairly high magnification, while paint, even screened, will normally show roughness at the edge when magnified.
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
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| Re: The stumper question of the day! [message #354508 is a reply to message #354507] |
Wed, 06 May 2020 09:06 |
6cuda6
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Thanks Matt....guess ill see if i can get them redone in vinyl as i dont think i know anyone that can free-hand them....unless there is someone local that pin stripes and can do it.
Matt Colie wrote on Wed, 06 May 2020 09:306cuda6 wrote on Tue, 05 May 2020 18:25Posted up some pics here....stenciled and painted with a brush? I believe the paint is original....what do you think?
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/member-galleries/p67195-badging.html
Wow Rich,
The GMC is almost lost, but the Hughs paint sure was a good sign painter. I have seen more than a few and very few that were that good.
You cannot do that well with a brush inside a stencil because as soon as you touch an edge, paint will be pulled under the stencil board.
Matt - Tried his hand at this and then went to find things he could actually do.
Rich Mondor,
Brockville, ON
77 Hughes 2600
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| Re: The stumper question of the day! [message #354509 is a reply to message #354508] |
Wed, 06 May 2020 09:26 |
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Matt Colie
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6cuda6 wrote on Wed, 06 May 2020 10:06Thanks Matt....guess ill see if i can get them redone in vinyl as i dont think i know anyone that can free-hand them....unless there is someone local that pin stripes and can do it.
Rich,
All the pinstipers I know have gone to tape. They also don't have to deal with round things like Gs and 0s.
Around here (which is different that Canada in everything but weather), there are more than a few sigh shops that have NC vinyl cutters. I have has names and numbers done for more than a few boats. Take them pictures like those you just showed but with a scale in the picture and they should be able to duplicate that - If that is what you want. If it isn't just tell them.
Here, what you want is called "Prestipped". That means that the lettering is all mounted on a lightly adhesive strip with the mounting adhesive on a guard sheet. That way what you have to do is decide EXACTLY where you want it. Then pull the guard film and roll (so as to remove bubbles) the lettering down while controlling the backing strip. If they offer you a soft edge plastic thing to roll it down take/buy it.
With the guard film still in place, you a can sort of practice this. Be very patient as this is not difficult, but it can go wrong too.
Matt
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
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