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Sun, 22 April 2018 12:58  |
kstockwell
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my fridge is no where near vented per these instructions.
I have a side vent and a top vent, and there are no baffles directing the airflow; there's a big gaping opening at the top below the vent, no side baffles.
It's like it's hanging in space. I've had trouble cooling it on LP this year; was going to change the burner but now it looks like it's burning bright blue, no flicker. I'll try to get the pressure checked to make sure it's at 11. What are the ramifications of no baffles? Is it just poor cooling in hot weather?
http://thenorcoldguy.com/norcold-technical-support-blog/norcold-refrigerator-ventilation-how-important-is-the-venting/
http://dave78chieftain.com/vent.html
I'm setup like this
Does everyone else's fridge have the right baffles? Is this a Norcold specific thing? I did tape off the top vent, it's lower than they should be and I assumed it was not creating the chimney effect. Last year (and i think previous years/owners based on the remote temp sensor that was installed) it just had to be set all the way cold to work and didn't work as well when it was hot.
Two weekends ago when it wasn't hot out the freezer let my ice cream sandwiches get soft. It works fine on electric. If that's the case does that mean I don't have to worry about the baffles as much and just focus on the LP pressure?
thanks, haven't asked any questions in awhile
kelly
1978 Kingsley
Putney VT
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| Re: [GMCnet] fridge venting/baffles [message #331235 is a reply to message #331233] |
Sun, 22 April 2018 13:05  |
jimk
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Kelly,
What year is your coach? as the 78 had a different outside vents.
On Sun, Apr 22, 2018 at 10:58 AM, kelly stockwell wrote:
> my fridge is no where near vented per these instructions.
>
> I have a side vent and a top vent, and there are no baffles directing the
> airflow; there's a big gaping opening at the top below the vent, no side
> baffles.
> It's like it's hanging in space. I've had trouble cooling it on LP this
> year; was going to change the burner but now it looks like it's burning
> bright blue, no flicker. I'll try to get the pressure checked to make
> sure it's at 11. What are the ramifications of no baffles? Is it just poor
> cooling in hot weather?
>
> http://thenorcoldguy.com/norcold-technical-support-
> blog/norcold-refrigerator-ventilation-how-important-is-the-venting/
> http://dave78chieftain.com/vent.html
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> Does everyone else's fridge have the right baffles? Is this a Norcold
> specific thing? I did tape off the top vent, it's lower than they should be
> and I assumed it was not creating the chimney effect. Last year (and i
> think previous years/owners based on the remote temp sensor that was
> installed) it just had to be set all the way cold to work and didn't work
> as well when it was hot.
>
> Two weekends ago when it wasn't hot out the freezer let my ice cream
> sandwiches get soft. It works fine on electric. If that's the case does
> that
> mean I don't have to worry about the baffles as much and just focus on the
> LP pressure?
>
> thanks, haven't asked any questions in awhile
>
> kelly
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| Re: [GMCnet] fridge venting/baffles [message #331240 is a reply to message #331236] |
Sun, 22 April 2018 14:15 |
jimk
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There was a diagram of how to install a baffel .
I do not know how to send a shetch to you till our office staff comes in
Monday, then I can send my shetch.
What is most important is the top, as on the 78 the top vent is on the side
and to creat a good draft you'll need to install a vent at the top.
give me your email address and I'll send you sketch Monday AM.
On Sun, Apr 22, 2018 at 11:13 AM, kelly stockwell wrote:
> 1978 Kingley i have upper vents and a door hatch in for lower vents
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> the hatch is not lower than the fridge, it's 4" higher
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| Re: fridge venting/baffles [message #331241 is a reply to message #331233] |
Sun, 22 April 2018 14:27 |
JohnL455
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What is odd is your good performance on AC. Usually propane is best, AC a close second and DC marginal as least heating Watts. Could the burner have shifted and be not heating properly?
John Lebetski
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| Re: [GMCnet] fridge venting/baffles [message #331242 is a reply to message #331240] |
Sun, 22 April 2018 15:10 |
kstockwell
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I have a top vent, it's clear; but it's just wide open up there above the fridge, and there is around 1" clearance on the sides.
regardless, i'd love to have what you can send me
snowsto@gmail.com
thank you
kelly
jimk wrote on Sun, 22 April 2018 15:15There was a diagram of how to install a baffel .
I do not know how to send a shetch to you till our office staff comes in
Monday, then I can send my shetch.
What is most important is the top, as on the 78 the top vent is on the side
and to creat a good draft you'll need to install a vent at the top.
give me your email address and I'll send you sketch Monday AM.
On Sun, Apr 22, 2018 at 11:13 AM, kelly stockwell wrote:
> 1978 Kingley i have upper vents and a door hatch in for lower vents
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> the hatch is not lower than the fridge, it's 4" higher
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| Re: fridge venting/baffles [message #331243 is a reply to message #331241] |
Sun, 22 April 2018 15:12 |
kstockwell
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That's what I'm wondering too! If AC works fine, then I have to assume the crappy vent job is OK. I had to turn the temp up when running AC. I did clean the burner last fall because it wasn't keeping up during hot weather. I fiddled with it all again, and have it running now. I'm suspecting my regulator. It's $20 for a new two stage, and $50 for the test system...
JohnL455 wrote on Sun, 22 April 2018 15:27What is odd is your good performance on AC. Usually propane is best, AC a close second and DC marginal as least heating Watts. Could the burner have shifted and be not heating properly?
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| Re: [GMCnet] fridge venting/baffles [message #331244 is a reply to message #331241] |
Sun, 22 April 2018 15:17 |
jimk
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John,
Your correct, lot of times the burner need to be blown out with air as
there are lot of old flskes in there.
On Sun, Apr 22, 2018 at 12:27 PM, John R. Lebetski
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> What is odd is your good performance on AC. Usually propane is best, AC a
> close second and DC marginal as least heating Watts. Could the burner have
> shifted and be not heating properly?
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> Woodstock, IL
> 77 Eleganza II
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| Re: [GMCnet] fridge venting/baffles [message #331245 is a reply to message #331244] |
Sun, 22 April 2018 15:21 |
jimk
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Majority of the pressure regulators are not working well as the rubber
diaphram has deteriated.
We replace lot of them and also sell few every month.
On Sun, Apr 22, 2018 at 1:17 PM, Jim Kanomata wrote:
> John,
> Your correct, lot of times the burner need to be blown out with air as
> there are lot of old flskes in there.
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> On Sun, Apr 22, 2018 at 12:27 PM, John R. Lebetski gransport7087@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> What is odd is your good performance on AC. Usually propane is best, AC a
>> close second and DC marginal as least heating Watts. Could the burner have
>> shifted and be not heating properly?
>> --
>> John Lebetski
>> Woodstock, IL
>> 77 Eleganza II
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| Re: [GMCnet] fridge venting/baffles [message #331246 is a reply to message #331244] |
Sun, 22 April 2018 15:35 |
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With our curved sides, there is no way to build the baffles the way they are outlined in the installation instructions for the fridge, but the closer you can get, the better. Below is what I did, maybe it will help. I used 1/2" urethane bvoard and aluminum tape (mostly) and my fridge works really well in all conditions. I also have a couple of solar powered computer fans mounted in the top vent to help with the airflow.
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g5863-norcold-refrigerator-installation.html
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
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| Re: fridge venting/baffles [message #331251 is a reply to message #331233] |
Sun, 22 April 2018 17:02 |
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If you have ez access to someone who
Can test it. Then test it.
Otherwise replace the regulator and move on to the next step in troubleshoting.
Jon Roche
75 palm beach
EBL EFI, manny headers, Micro Level, rebuilt most of coach now.
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| Re: fridge venting/baffles [message #331336 is a reply to message #331233] |
Tue, 24 April 2018 12:26 |
JohnL455
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Seems like the burner is sitting not fully seated where the heat can be utilized correctly
John Lebetski
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| Re: fridge venting/baffles [message #331507 is a reply to message #331336] |
Sun, 29 April 2018 10:58 |
kstockwell
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Regulator installed, getting the old one out was a pain, everything was connected and spun.. While at it I put in an "extend a stay". Future replacements should be a breeze
After 20 hours on, the fridge is still not cooling. The vent pipe is hot, I can put my hand on it but wouldn't want to hold it there.
Pull the fridge? Check out the venting and redo the baffle/insulation? Or replace the burner with the one I bought last year?
thanks
kelly
1978 Kingsley
Putney VT
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| Re: fridge venting/baffles [message #331512 is a reply to message #331233] |
Sun, 29 April 2018 11:51 |
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My 23' had only a very small added upper vent for the icebox, which didn't work very well:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10212101325399206&set=rpd.1557263599&type=3&theater
The small vent just below the awning. It isn't big enough, so mine had a pair of computer fans mounted in it - they fit perfectly. Powered by the 12 volt 'run' line on the icebox. Any time it called for refrigeration - 110, 12, or gas, the fans came on. Worked great.
--johnny
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| Re: fridge venting/baffles [message #331516 is a reply to message #331512] |
Sun, 29 April 2018 12:12 |
kstockwell
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oh good lord. Just replaced the burner, which honestly didn't look all that bad; I had a blue flame.
Now it sounds like a flame and is REALLY bright blue and strong. So, I think I probably needed the burner all along. Not to say the new regulator (and bonus extend a stay) wasn't a bad addition.
Will report temperatures later; but this seems like a big difference from what I had.
Lessons learned
parts of the LP are backward thread
you need ONE component at least to be able to spin
simply having a blue flame (not yellow) doesn't mean it's not bad
removing the burner assembly the second time takes 1/8th the amount of time it did the first round
I still think correct baffling should be done, and insulation on the wall; and I might install the muffin fans I bought so we have really cold beer on really hot days
1978 Kingsley
Putney VT
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| Re: fridge venting/baffles [message #331517 is a reply to message #331512] |
Sun, 29 April 2018 12:17 |
kstockwell
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I can't see the photo but I get the idea. I have the upper vents but I taped them off to try and make a chimney effect (I have a roof vent). I have a couple of muffin fans I will probably put in at some point.
New burner assembly really changed the flame color/strength. So that may have been it all along. The old burner didn't look as bad as so many other burners I saw on the internets...
Johnny Bridges wrote on Sun, 29 April 2018 12:51My 23' had only a very small added upper vent for the icebox, which didn't work very well:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10212101325399206&set=rpd.1557263599&type=3&theater
The small vent just below the awning. It isn't big enough, so mine had a pair of computer fans mounted in it - they fit perfectly. Powered by the 12 volt 'run' line on the icebox. Any time it called for refrigeration - 110, 12, or gas, the fans came on. Worked great.
--johnny
1978 Kingsley
Putney VT
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