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| [GMCnet] GMCnet on iPhone [message #326938] |
Sat, 09 December 2017 11:00  |
Richard Denney
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My life is such that participating in GMCnet requires doing it on an
iPhone. Im doing it at the back of a classroom while my co-instructor is
teaching, or standing in line at the airport, or while having dinner in
some distant burg.
I cannot do it on my government computer, which takes too long to fire up
anyway. I traveled 40 weeks last year, and only two of them with my own
laptop (Ken knows which two weeks those were). My elbows are already
falling apart--I'm not carrying two laptops :)
But I also have to keep GMCnet separate from my regular personal email. So
I have an email address that I only use with a few mail lists, including
GMCnet. (It must be said that the forum does not have an effective iOS
user interface.)
I have been using Google's Inbox app, but it makes it extremely tedious to
trim long quotes. The Gmail app is worse--it's why I went to Inbox in the
first place. IOS Mail is much worse, and forces me to use a different
outgoing server.
Does anyone know of good mail app for iOS that allows one to trim quotes by
selecting text rather than doing it one character at a time? Using the
selection tool, Inbox selects all of the quoted text or none of it. I have
given up on replying to many threads because I didn't have time to wait for
that software to let me delete through 1000 characters of nested quotes to
leave just the one sentence I'm responding to.
An alternative would be for Billy to see if there is Tapatalk support in
the forum software.
It also might be easier to attract Facebook GMCers if we can identify or
construct an easier way to use GMCnet on an iPhone.
Rick "hopefully an old enough hand not to be seen as trying to undermine
traditional mail list users" Denney
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMCnet on iPhone [message #326941 is a reply to message #326938] |
Sat, 09 December 2017 12:08  |
lqqkatjon
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I am using an iphone, and I go through the safari web browser. No-email or app.
That maybe obvious by my poor grammer, form and spelling of the posts. But it works very easy for me.
Jon Roche
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMCnet on iPhone [message #326955 is a reply to message #326947] |
Sat, 09 December 2017 21:27 |
Richard Denney
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Thanks, but it's not the mail account I am wondering about, but rather a
standalone mail app well-integrated with Gmail that allows quick editing of
the quoted sections, and that lets me keep up with GMCnet a minute or two
at a time.
(And maybe a quick exploration of whether the forum software will support
Tapatalk.)
Rick "curious about that vast link in the GMCnet sig" Denney
On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 5:04 PM D C _Mac_ Macdonald
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> I've been using HoTMaiL for years, long before I had an iPhone. It has
> worked pretty much flawlessly on the iPhone for the past six or seven years.
>
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> Rick
> Since you are using gmail, what problem does iOS mail impose on you? I'm
> not quite understanding being forced to use a different outgoing server and
> how that affects you?
>
> I allowed iOS to auto-configure my gmail access and it has functioned
> quite well since day one, and through several iPhone upgrades. Maybe that's
> the difference?
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMCnet on iPhone [message #326999 is a reply to message #326998] |
Mon, 11 December 2017 09:58 |
Olly Schmidt
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Justin Brady schrieb/wrote
> Agreed, but I don't think it will work with the email side of things, which no one seems to be willing to give up because they are set in their ways.
>
Because there is nothing better than using email for this :-P - *let the
flame wars begin*
:-D
Tapatalk support won't happen, because there is no Tapatalk support for
the underlying forum software afaik.
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMCnet on iPhone [message #327000 is a reply to message #326997] |
Mon, 11 December 2017 09:50 |
James Hupy
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Most of the time, I respond on my galaxy note 3. Rarely on my laptop, even
more rarely on my desktop. 3 different operating systems, yet Gmail handles
it well. Some of my responses are not brief. Gene Fisher seems to have
mastered the short response. I hate facebook. Won't use it even if it was
the only game in town.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
On Dec 11, 2017 7:43 AM, "Dutch Marc" wrote:
> I agree Richard, I would love to see "Tapatalk" Support for this forum :)
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> Richard Denney wrote on Sat, 09 December 2017 09:00
>> An alternative would be for Billy to see if there is Tapatalk support in
>> the forum software.
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMCnet on iPhone [message #327003 is a reply to message #326997] |
Mon, 11 December 2017 10:34 |
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Why not use Gmail to sort GMC into a GMC folder?
On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 7:42 AM, Dutch Marc wrote:
> I agree Richard, I would love to see "Tapatalk" Support for this forum :)
>
> Richard Denney wrote on Sat, 09 December 2017 09:00
>> An alternative would be for Billy to see if there is Tapatalk support in
>> the forum software.
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMCnet on iPhone [message #327007 is a reply to message #326999] |
Mon, 11 December 2017 10:57 |
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Justin
I find your post offensive.
I don’t use the email system because I am “set in my ways”. For my use I find several advantages for the mail system over the use of the forum (which I have tried).
Perhaps you should try giving up the forum or are you “too set in your ways”?
Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Frederick, CO
> On Dec 11, 2017, at 8:58 AM, Peer Oliver Schmidt GMC wrote:
>
> Justin Brady schrieb/wrote
>> Agreed, but I don't think it will work with the email side of things, which no one seems to be willing to give up because they are set in their ways.
>>
> Because there is nothing better than using email for this :-P - *let the
> flame wars begin*
>
> :-D
>
> Tapatalk support won't happen, because there is no Tapatalk support for
> the underlying forum software afaik.
>
> --
> Best regards
>
> Peer Oliver Schmidt
> PGP Key ID: 0x83E1C2EA
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMCnet on iPhone [message #327012 is a reply to message #327007] |
Mon, 11 December 2017 11:47 |
Richard Denney
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Emery, Justin was making a joke--no need to look for offense.
Peer's response answered one question--the forum software apparently
doesn't have a Tapatalk plug-in option.
I'll try some things again--maybe I won't find the forum mobile skin so
frustrating as in the past. I recall endless punch-zooming and lateral
scrolling and having to hold the phone sideways--moving too many keys out
of reach of the only thumb seemingly connected to what's left of my brain.
Rick "sorry for not trimming the quotes below" Denney
On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 9:58 AM Emery Stora wrote:
> Justin
>
> I find your post offensive.
> I don’t use the email system because I am “set in my ways”. For my use I
> find several advantages for the mail system over the use of the forum
> (which I have tried).
>
> Perhaps you should try giving up the forum or are you “too set in your
> ways”?
>
> Emery Stora
> 77 Kingsley
> Frederick, CO
>
>> On Dec 11, 2017, at 8:58 AM, Peer Oliver Schmidt GMC posde@theinternet.de> wrote:
>>
>> Justin Brady schrieb/wrote
>>> Agreed, but I don't think it will work with the email side of things,
> which no one seems to be willing to give up because they are set in their
> ways.
>>>
>> Because there is nothing better than using email for this :-P - *let the
>> flame wars begin*
>>
>> :-D
>>
>> Tapatalk support won't happen, because there is no Tapatalk support for
>> the underlying forum software afaik.
>>
>> --
>> Best regards
>>
>> Peer Oliver Schmidt
>> PGP Key ID: 0x83E1C2EA
>>
>> '76a Eleganza II 26', VA
>> '73 Sequoia 23', Germany, SH
>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMCnet on iPhone [message #327018 is a reply to message #327012] |
Mon, 11 December 2017 13:32 |
Justin Brady
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No offense taken (or meant Emory)
A modern forum setup with tapatalk would be miles ahead of what we have now (and of the email system)
Those of you using emails don't understand how frustrating it is for those of us using the web interface. There are literally hundreds (if not thousands) of disjointed discussions that are totally impossible to follow because people use the wrong subject to reply, or they reply to one person and not the group.
Currently on the home page there are 18 topics showing on my screen, 1/2 of those are disjointed (meaning someone used the email list wrong).
That not only makes it incredibly annoying to try to read, it also makes it virtually impossible in the future to come back and find something because every thread has 16 sub threads all with their own discussion.
I'm positive that at one time this wasn't an issue because email groups were the norm and people knew how to use them. Now no one has a damn clue how to use an email list (and why would they?) forums took over listserve sometime in the late 90's.
I have threads on other forums that are approaching 10 years old and I have no issue going back to them for reference. I have to search here for 10 minutes to find my own threads that are a few weeks old because I have one that I made and then there are 47 "RE:My Thread" sub threads.
Bottom line is this forum is 10+ years behind forum technology, and the email list is 10 years behind that. If you find that offensive that's your own prerogative it's not meant to be it's simply a statement of fact.
You guys wonder why people are going to facebook instead of here. That's the reason.
You can argue that facebook is not a technical discussion place all you want, but a modern forum would have a section for "Interior Discussion" one for "Engine Discussion" one for "transmission" one for "Help I'm stuck on the side of the road" etc etc. If you don't want to read the interior posts you don't have to.
Bottom line is if this isn't addressed no new members are going to bother wading through the 90's to find useful information. They will just go to FB.
This is not directed at anyone, so no offense is intended. It's simply an observation from a younger member who want's to see this place and this community thrive. (also I HATE facebook, I'd much rather everyone come over here)
Check out DTT
http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?action=forum
That's how this forum should look and function if you want to keep adding members.
Justin Brady
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMCnet on iPhone [message #327019 is a reply to message #327018] |
Mon, 11 December 2017 13:49 |
James Hupy
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Not quite why I still just use only email. On Google chrome, I use a topic
line, or a person's name, or other search parameters and it recalls in
chronological order all emails that contain that parameter. On facebook, I
have to scan through grandchildren being cute, senic backdrops, knitting
and needlepoint patterns, cookie recipes, carb parts, to find a subject.
Not that I have anything against any of those topics, It is just that I am
older now, and might not have as many sunsets in front of me as I have in
back. For me, at least, the email seems to stay technical in nature, and
less socially focused.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 GMC ROYALE 403
On Dec 11, 2017 11:33 AM, "Justin Brady" wrote:
> No offense taken (or meant Emory)
> A modern forum setup with tapatalk would be miles ahead of what we have
> now (and of the email system)
>
> Those of you using emails don't understand how frustrating it is for those
> of us using the web interface. There are literally hundreds (if not
> thousands) of disjointed discussions that are totally impossible to follow
> because people use the wrong subject to reply, or they reply to one person
> and not the group.
> Currently on the home page there are 18 topics showing on my screen, 1/2
> of those are disjointed (meaning someone used the email list wrong).
> That not only makes it incredibly annoying to try to read, it also makes
> it virtually impossible in the future to come back and find something
> because
> every thread has 16 sub threads all with their own discussion.
> I'm positive that at one time this wasn't an issue because email groups
> were the norm and people knew how to use them. Now no one has a damn clue
> how
> to use an email list (and why would they?) forums took over listserve
> sometime in the late 90's.
>
> I have threads on other forums that are approaching 10 years old and I
> have no issue going back to them for reference. I have to search here for 10
> minutes to find my own threads because I have one that I made and then
> there are 47 "RE:My Thread" sub threads.
>
> Bottom line is this forum is 10+ years behind forum technology, and the
> email list is 10 years behind that. If you find that offensive that's your
> own
> prerogative it's not meant to be it's simply a statement of fact.
>
> You guys wonder why people are going to facebook instead of here. That's
> the reason.
> You can argue that facebook is not a technical discussion place all you
> want, but a modern forum would have a section for "Interior Discussion" one
> for "Engine Discussion" one for "transmission" one for "Help I'm stuck on
> the side of the road" etc etc. If you don't want to read the interior posts
> you don't have to.
> Bottom line is if this isn't addressed no new members are going to bother
> wading through the 90's to find useful information. They will just go to
> FB.
>
> This is not directed at anyone, so no offense is intended. It's simply an
> observation from a younger member who want's to see this place and this
> community thrive. (also I HATE facebook, I'd much rather everyone come
> over here)
>
> Check out DTT
>
> http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?action=forum
>
> That's how this forum should look and function if you want to keep adding
> members.
>
>
> --
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> http://www.thegmcrv.com/
> 1976 Palm Beach 455
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMCnet on iPhone [message #327020 is a reply to message #327018] |
Mon, 11 December 2017 14:00 |
Richard Denney
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Justin,
I was not my intent to relitigate the email vs. forum debate. I'm just
trying to find a mail app that lets me trim quotes properly and quickly.
Email has advantages over the forum for people who travel a lot and don't
pay for unlimited cellular data. I used far fewer bytes, and I can search
the database without having to be online. The search feature in the
forum--like all forum search features--is rather poor but I can easily find
stuff using the "site" parameter in Google.
And lots of posts on the forum are just as unreadable to mail users,
because for whatever reason the email client couldn't reconstruct the
thread and the post doesn't quote what it's responding to.
But the forum has advantages, too.
My issue is that neither one presents a useful skin on a smart phone. Even
the one you linked is unreadably small on my iPhone without zooming
incessantly, and we old people don't see as well as you young'uns. If it
has a mobile skin, it didn't appear. A Tapatalk interface is great (and for
forum software like vBulletin is an easy installation)--that interface is
purpose-designed for a smart phone.
But so is this blasted "Inbox" app from Google, and it still won't let me
selectively trim quotes more than on character at a time.
Rick "who can't ever find ANYTHING in Facebook" Denney
On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 12:33 PM Justin Brady wrote:
> No offense taken (or meant Emory)
> A modern forum setup with tapatalk would be miles ahead of what we have
> now (and of the email system)
>
> Those of you using emails don't understand how frustrating it is for those
> of us using the web interface. There are literally hundreds (if not
> thousands) of disjointed discussions that are totally impossible to follow
> because people use the wrong subject to reply, or they reply to one person
> and not the group.
> Currently on the home page there are 18 topics showing on my screen, 1/2
> of those are disjointed (meaning someone used the email list wrong).
> That not only makes it incredibly annoying to try to read, it also makes
> it virtually impossible in the future to come back and find something
> because
> every thread has 16 sub threads all with their own discussion.
> I'm positive that at one time this wasn't an issue because email groups
> were the norm and people knew how to use them. Now no one has a damn clue
> how
> to use an email list (and why would they?) forums took over listserve
> sometime in the late 90's.
>
> I have threads on other forums that are approaching 10 years old and I
> have no issue going back to them for reference. I have to search here for 10
> minutes to find my own threads because I have one that I made and then
> there are 47 "RE:My Thread" sub threads.
>
> Bottom line is this forum is 10+ years behind forum technology, and the
> email list is 10 years behind that. If you find that offensive that's your
> own
> prerogative it's not meant to be it's simply a statement of fact.
>
> You guys wonder why people are going to facebook instead of here. That's
> the reason.
> You can argue that facebook is not a technical discussion place all you
> want, but a modern forum would have a section for "Interior Discussion" one
> for "Engine Discussion" one for "transmission" one for "Help I'm stuck on
> the side of the road" etc etc. If you don't want to read the interior posts
> you don't have to.
> Bottom line is if this isn't addressed no new members are going to bother
> wading through the 90's to find useful information. They will just go to
> FB.
>
> This is not directed at anyone, so no offense is intended. It's simply an
> observation from a younger member who want's to see this place and this
> community thrive. (also I HATE facebook, I'd much rather everyone come
> over here)
>
> Check out DTT
>
> http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?action=forum
>
> That's how this forum should look and function if you want to keep adding
> members.
>
>
> --
> Justin Brady
> http://www.thegmcrv.com/
> 1976 Palm Beach 455
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMCnet on iPhone [message #327029 is a reply to message #327020] |
Mon, 11 December 2017 21:00 |
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Is there a forum interface for the mail list?
I like using forums and have used them extensively.
Is there a custom signature that is only used on the mail list?
I do not mind having my GMC information in my GMC list email but I do not
want to have it in all my email.
On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Richard Denney wrote:
> Justin,
>
> I was not my intent to relitigate the email vs. forum debate. I'm just
> trying to find a mail app that lets me trim quotes properly and quickly.
>
> Email has advantages over the forum for people who travel a lot and don't
> pay for unlimited cellular data. I used far fewer bytes, and I can search
> the database without having to be online. The search feature in the
> forum--like all forum search features--is rather poor but I can easily find
> stuff using the "site" parameter in Google.
>
> And lots of posts on the forum are just as unreadable to mail users,
> because for whatever reason the email client couldn't reconstruct the
> thread and the post doesn't quote what it's responding to.
>
> But the forum has advantages, too.
>
> My issue is that neither one presents a useful skin on a smart phone. Even
> the one you linked is unreadably small on my iPhone without zooming
> incessantly, and we old people don't see as well as you young'uns. If it
> has a mobile skin, it didn't appear. A Tapatalk interface is great (and for
> forum software like vBulletin is an easy installation)--that interface is
> purpose-designed for a smart phone.
>
> But so is this blasted "Inbox" app from Google, and it still won't let me
> selectively trim quotes more than on character at a time.
>
> Rick "who can't ever find ANYTHING in Facebook" Denney
> On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 12:33 PM Justin Brady wrote:
>
>> No offense taken (or meant Emory)
>> A modern forum setup with tapatalk would be miles ahead of what we have
>> now (and of the email system)
>>
>> Those of you using emails don't understand how frustrating it is for
> those
>> of us using the web interface. There are literally hundreds (if not
>> thousands) of disjointed discussions that are totally impossible to
> follow
>> because people use the wrong subject to reply, or they reply to one
> person
>> and not the group.
>> Currently on the home page there are 18 topics showing on my screen, 1/2
>> of those are disjointed (meaning someone used the email list wrong).
>> That not only makes it incredibly annoying to try to read, it also makes
>> it virtually impossible in the future to come back and find something
>> because
>> every thread has 16 sub threads all with their own discussion.
>> I'm positive that at one time this wasn't an issue because email groups
>> were the norm and people knew how to use them. Now no one has a damn clue
>> how
>> to use an email list (and why would they?) forums took over listserve
>> sometime in the late 90's.
>>
>> I have threads on other forums that are approaching 10 years old and I
>> have no issue going back to them for reference. I have to search here
> for 10
>> minutes to find my own threads because I have one that I made and then
>> there are 47 "RE:My Thread" sub threads.
>>
>> Bottom line is this forum is 10+ years behind forum technology, and the
>> email list is 10 years behind that. If you find that offensive that's
> your
>> own
>> prerogative it's not meant to be it's simply a statement of fact.
>>
>> You guys wonder why people are going to facebook instead of here. That's
>> the reason.
>> You can argue that facebook is not a technical discussion place all you
>> want, but a modern forum would have a section for "Interior Discussion"
> one
>> for "Engine Discussion" one for "transmission" one for "Help I'm stuck on
>> the side of the road" etc etc. If you don't want to read the interior
> posts
>> you don't have to.
>> Bottom line is if this isn't addressed no new members are going to bother
>> wading through the 90's to find useful information. They will just go to
>> FB.
>>
>> This is not directed at anyone, so no offense is intended. It's simply an
>> observation from a younger member who want's to see this place and this
>> community thrive. (also I HATE facebook, I'd much rather everyone come
>> over here)
>>
>> Check out DTT
>>
>> http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?action=forum
>>
>> That's how this forum should look and function if you want to keep adding
>> members.
>>
>>
>> --
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>> http://www.thegmcrv.com/
>> 1976 Palm Beach 455
>>
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