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kerry pinkerton
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Until a few weeks ago, I was under the impression that ALL GMC built coaches other than Edgemonts were some variation of the wet bath. Then we found our rear twin dry bath Kingsley and thought all Kingsley's had the GMC rear twin side dry bath like the Edgemonts. Then I learn of at least two Eleganza's that are the same rear twin dry. None of these are conversions. There was a 78 Kingsley at the GMCMI rally that was the wet bath.
At the GMCMI rally, I was talking with Alex Sirum and he said that he thought all Kingsleys were the standard wet bath. So now I'm confused. Our coach has the burnt orange Kingsley fabric and the bed mattresses and bolsters are the same fabric and, if I'm any judge, it's original.
So was the model really just the color scheme and fabrics and you could order anything with any floor plan? Were they all basically the same price or were some more expensive. I'd expect the rear twins/dry were a bit more but don't really know.
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
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| Re: Floor plans [message #275015 is a reply to message #274988] |
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Kerry,
Don't feel bad. For a long time I thought that the called model was more that a color scheme, well, it is for the interior, but nothing else. The only given might be that all '73 & 4 (Gemini interior) were wet bath.
Matt
kerry pinkerton wrote on Sat, 04 April 2015 15:07Until a few weeks ago, I was under the impression that ALL GMC built coaches other than Edgemonts were some variation of the wet bath. Then we found our rear twin dry bath Kingsley and thought all Kingsley's had the GMC rear twin side dry bath like the Edgemonts. Then I learn of at least two Eleganza's that are the same rear twin dry. None of these are conversions. There was a 78 Kingsley at the GMCMI rally that was the wet bath.
At the GMCMI rally, I was talking with Alex Sirum and he said that he thought all Kingsleys were the standard wet bath. So now I'm confused. Our coach has the burnt orange Kingsley fabric and the bed mattresses and bolsters are the same fabric and, if I'm any judge, it's original.
So was the model really just the color scheme and fabrics and you could order anything with any floor plan? Were they all basically the same price or were some more expensive. I'd expect the rear twins/dry were a bit more but don't really know.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Floor plans [message #275017 is a reply to message #274988] |
Sat, 04 April 2015 19:56 |
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Kerry,
I was aware that GMC built rear twins with dry baths other than the Edgemont. I believe that most Kingsley's and Eleganza's were wet
baths; I have no idea how many dry baths were built.
Hopefully Bill Bryant will read this and chime in.
From what I've read the Edgemont was an "entry level" GMC and priced lower than other models in 1976 the year they were introduced.
http://www.bdub.net/publications/Edgemont/Edgemont.htm
Regards,
Rob M.
-----Original Message-----
From: Kerry Pinkerton
Until a few weeks ago, I was under the impression that ALL GMC built coaches other than Edgemonts were some variation of the wet
bath. Then we found our rear twin dry bath Kingsley and thought all Kingsley's had the GMC rear twin side dry bath like the
Edgemonts.
Then I learn of at least two Eleganza's that are the same rear twin dry. None of these are conversions. There was a 78 Kingsley at
the GMCMI rally that was the wet bath.
At the GMCMI rally, I was talking with Alex Sirum and he said that he thought all Kingsleys were the standard wet bath. So now I'm
confused. Our coach has the burnt orange Kingsley fabric and the bed mattresses and bolsters are the same fabric and, if I'm any
judge, it's original.
So was the model really just the color scheme and fabrics and you could order anything with any floor plan? Were they all basically
the same price or were some more expensive. I'd expect the rear twins/dry were a bit more but don't really know.
Kerry
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| Re: Floor plans [message #275045 is a reply to message #275040] |
Sun, 05 April 2015 05:43 |
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hal kading wrote on Sat, 04 April 2015 22:14I believe the Edgemont was considered to be the entry or economy level coach ...
Yes, they were. I am fairly sure they (mostly) came with the "plywood and foam" seating like the 73/74 coaches. but they all were dry bath/twin layout.
ALL the other GM upfitted models offered in 1976 and 1977 could be ordered with dry bath/twin layouts. There is a difference in the TZE; (first number after the "TZE".)
Quote:Interior Code -
0 - GM Interior from 1973 to 1974
1 - GM Interior from 1975 to 1978
2 - Twin Bed Interior for 1976 and 1977
3 - TransMode (sold without interior or windows)
See: <http://www.gmcmhregistry.com/Trivia.html>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Floor plans [message #275064 is a reply to message #275017] |
Sun, 05 April 2015 12:01 |
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Hopefully Bill Bryant will read this and chime in.
Chiming in :^)
The following info is from the 1977 Options Selector & pricing sheets, revised 12/12/76.
ZEO6581-26' (standard features & floor plans) Base price = $30,347.12
Kingsley .....Interior Decor Group +$270
Eleganza II ......" ........" ......." ...+$0
Palm Beach ......" ......." ......." ...+$270
ZEO6584-26 (twin bed floor plan) Base price = $30,997.12 Bed Bolsters(option BRV = $169)
Kingsley ........"
Eleganza II ...."
Palm Beach ..."
Notes:
1- Many more options available, each the same price on all models.
2- Twin bed size 2@ 32"X75"
3- Do not have price list for 1976, have the 1978 list, can't locate it right now.
4- "Generally" model name defined interior decor and "usually" exterior colors/trim.
5- Interesting to me, the lowest priced GMC 26' model in 1976 (Edgemonte)was the only twin bed that year. Following year twin beds were more expensive than other standard floor plans. What was GMC thinking?
6- Don't know of any record that defines number of twin beds built.
7- NEVER EVER use the terms "always" or "Never".
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| Re: [GMCnet] Floor plans [message #275067 is a reply to message #275064] |
Sun, 05 April 2015 12:28 |
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1977 price list available at:
http://www.gmcmi.com/gmcmh-basic-information/
source: Bill Bryant
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On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 12:01 PM, Bill Bryant
wrote:
> Hopefully Bill Bryant will read this and chime in.
>
> Chiming in :^)
>
> The following info is from the 1977 Options Selector & pricing sheets,
> revised 12/12/76.
>
> ZEO6581-26' (standard features & floor plans) Base price = $30,347.12
> Kingsley .....Interior Decor Group +$270
> Eleganza II ......" ........" ......." ...+$0
> Palm Beach ......" ......." ......." ...+$270
>
> ZEO6584-26 (twin bed floor plan) Base price = $30,997.12 Bed
> Bolsters(option BRV = $169)
> Kingsley ........"
> Eleganza II ...."
> Palm Beach ..."
>
> Notes:
> 1- Many more options available, each the same price on all models.
>
> 2- Twin bed size 2@ 32"X75"
>
> 3- Do not have price list for 1976, have the 1978 list, can't locate it
> right now.
>
> 4- "Generally" model name defined interior decor and "usually" exterior
> colors/trim.
>
> 5- Interesting to me, the lowest priced GMC 26' model in 1976
> (Edgemonte)was the only twin bed that year. Following year twin beds
> were more
> expensive than other standard floor plans. What was GMC thinking?
>
> 6- Don't know of any record that defines number of twin beds built.
>
> 7- NEVER EVER use the terms "always" or "Never".
> :^)
>
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Floor plans [message #275073 is a reply to message #275064] |
Sun, 05 April 2015 16:37 |
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Bill,
Thanks!
Where did you get this information: "2- Twin bed size 2@ 32"X75"
I have measured two different Edgemonts and the rear twins were 36" x 77."
The measurement was from the closet to the rear wall and the back of the bathroom to the rear wall.
Kerry,
Could you check this for us please.
Regards,
Rob M.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Bryant
Hopefully Bill Bryant will read this and chime in.
Chiming in :^)
The following info is from the 1977 Options Selector & pricing sheets, revised 12/12/76.
ZEO6581-26' (standard features & floor plans) Base price = $30,347.12
Kingsley .....Interior Decor Group +$270
Eleganza II ......" ........" ......." ...+$0
Palm Beach ......" ......." ......." ...+$270
ZEO6584-26 (twin bed floor plan) Base price = $30,997.12 Bed Bolsters(option BRV = $169)
Kingsley ........"
Eleganza II ...."
Palm Beach ..."
Notes:
1- Many more options available, each the same price on all models.
2- Twin bed size 2@ 32"X75"
3- Do not have price list for 1976, have the 1978 list, can't locate it right now.
4- "Generally" model name defined interior decor and "usually" exterior colors/trim.
5- Interesting to me, the lowest priced GMC 26' model in 1976 (Edgemonte)was the only twin bed that year. Following year twin
beds were more
expensive than other standard floor plans. What was GMC thinking?
6- Don't know of any record that defines number of twin beds built.
7- NEVER EVER use the terms "always" or "Never".
:^)
Bill
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| Re: [GMCnet] Floor plans [message #275075 is a reply to message #275073] |
Sun, 05 April 2015 16:53 |
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USAussie wrote on Sun, 05 April 2015 16:37I have measured two different Edgemonts and the rear twins were 36" x 77."
The measurement was from the closet to the rear wall and the back of the bathroom to the rear wall.
I can't say anything about the Edgemont's but my Kingsley is 78" from the center aisle by the 'nightstand' to the bath module or closet and about 76" by the taillight bulge of the plastic cap.
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
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| Re: [GMCnet] Floor plans [message #275080 is a reply to message #275077] |
Sun, 05 April 2015 17:14 |
kerry pinkerton
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USAussie wrote on Sun, 05 April 2015 17:06I took the measurements down the center of the mattress parallel to the side wall.
77" hard surface to hard surface. The mattress is about 76". Still has factory burnt orange upholstery.
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
Had 5 over the years. Currently have a '06 Fleetwood Discovery 39L
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| Re: [GMCnet] Floor plans [message #275084 is a reply to message #275080] |
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Kerry,
Thanks!
OK we can update the rear twin measurements as follows:
1976 Kingsley by GMC Rear Twin Bed Measurements
Length: Hard surface (measured down center of mattress - closet / bath to the rear window) = 77 inches
Width: Hard surface (measured from side wall to side of night stand) = ?? inches
Mattress Length: 76 inches
Mattress Width: ?? inches
Mattress Thickness: ?? inches
It is reasonable to assume that rear twin Edgemonts and Eleganzas are the same. IIRC Jerry Sitzlar has a rear twin Eleganza and I'll
ask him to verify that model. If someone with an Edgemont could check the same measurements it would be helpful.
My Avion here is gutted so I can't check it, JR could you check yours, please.
LarryW, could you check your Royale, please.
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic & Lunar Nut Case
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
-----Original Message-----
From: Kerry Pinkerton
77" hard surface to hard surface. The mattress is about 76". Still has factory burnt orange upholstery.
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| Re: Floor plans [message #275086 is a reply to message #274988] |
Sun, 05 April 2015 18:08 |
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It's a 77 Kingsley Rob, first year for that model. The Edgemont was a 76 only with the same (???) floor plan. 78 Kingsley was the same (afaik) with the exception of a tan upper paint above the stripe vs white above and below stripes on 77. Buskirk repainted the top sides of my 77 with 78 colors.
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
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| [GMCnet] Fwd: Floor plans [message #275092 is a reply to message #275067] |
Sun, 05 April 2015 19:27 |
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> From: Kimberlea Weeks
> Date: April 5, 2015 at 12:28:19 PM CDT
> To: "gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org"
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Floor plans
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> 1977 price list available at:
>
> http://www.gmcmi.com/gmcmh-basic-information/
>
> source: Bill Bryant
>
> Thank you for being a member and supporting the GMC Motorhome lifestyle.
>
> Kimberlea Weeks
> VP Administration and Convention Manager
> 612.501.4600 | f.866.519.0047 | www.gmcmi.com
>
> GMC Motorhomes International
> 1402 So. Cage Blvd | Unit 273 | Pharr | TX 78577-6288
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> Mark this on your calendar today!
>
> GMCMI 2015 Spring Convention | Friday, March 27 to Thursday, April 2
> Kemper Williams Park & Patterson Area Civic Center | Patterson, Louisiana
>
> GMCMI 2015 Fall Convention | Friday, September 25 to Thursday, October 1
> Central States Fairgrounds | Rapid City, South Dakota
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>> On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 12:01 PM, Bill Bryant wrote:
>> Hopefully Bill Bryant will read this and chime in.
>>
>> Chiming in :^)
>>
>> The following info is from the 1977 Options Selector & pricing sheets, revised 12/12/76.
>>
>> ZEO6581-26' (standard features & floor plans) Base price = $30,347.12
>> Kingsley .....Interior Decor Group +$270
>> Eleganza II ......" ........" ......." ...+$0
>> Palm Beach ......" ......." ......." ...+$270
>>
>> ZEO6584-26 (twin bed floor plan) Base price = $30,997.12 Bed Bolsters(option BRV = $169)
>> Kingsley ........"
>> Eleganza II ...."
>> Palm Beach ..."
>>
>> Notes:
>> 1- Many more options available, each the same price on all models.
>>
>> 2- Twin bed size 2@ 32"X75"
>>
>> 3- Do not have price list for 1976, have the 1978 list, can't locate it right now.
>>
>> 4- "Generally" model name defined interior decor and "usually" exterior colors/trim.
>>
>> 5- Interesting to me, the lowest priced GMC 26' model in 1976 (Edgemonte)was the only twin bed that year. Following year twin beds were more
>> expensive than other standard floor plans. What was GMC thinking?
>>
>> 6- Don't know of any record that defines number of twin beds built.
>>
>> 7- NEVER EVER use the terms "always" or "Never".
>> :^)
>>
>>
>> --
>> Bill Bryant
>> 1976~PB
>> 1914 Ford
>> 1965 Corvette
>> GMC MH History CD & GMC Showroom DVD
>> Workprint DVD GMC development 11-70 to 3-71
>> http://bdub.net/billbryant/
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| Re: [GMCnet] Floor plans [message #275097 is a reply to message #275064] |
Sun, 05 April 2015 20:28 |
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You need to get Bill's CD and DVDs. Very interesting! I have the complete set and have enjoyed them very much.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Floor plans [message #275100 is a reply to message #275073] |
Sun, 05 April 2015 21:14 |
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USAussie
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Bill,
Thanks!
Where did you get this information: "2- Twin bed size 2@ 32"X75"
I have measured two different Edgemonts and the rear twins were 36" x 77."
The measurement was from the closet to the rear wall and the back of the bathroom to the rear wall.
Kerry,
Could you check this for us please.
Regards,
Rob M.
Rob & Kerry,
The twin bed measurements came from the 1977 price list page 5. Don't know how real the GMC literature is, a real measurement may be better. Would expect all 3 GMC twin bed models (Kingsley, Eleganza II & Palm Beach) to be the same since the ZEO6584 designation was the same for all.
Bill Bryant
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| Re: [GMCnet] Floor plans [message #275101 is a reply to message #275084] |
Sun, 05 April 2015 21:10 |
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Rob,
Still in Tucson, will check in 2 weeks/
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> On Apr 5, 2015, at 3:41 PM, Robert Mueller wrote:
>
> Kerry,
>
> Thanks!
>
> OK we can update the rear twin measurements as follows:
>
> 1976 Kingsley by GMC Rear Twin Bed Measurements
>
> Length: Hard surface (measured down center of mattress - closet / bath to the rear window) = 77 inches
> Width: Hard surface (measured from side wall to side of night stand) = ?? inches
>
> Mattress Length: 76 inches
> Mattress Width: ?? inches
> Mattress Thickness: ?? inches
>
> It is reasonable to assume that rear twin Edgemonts and Eleganzas are the same. IIRC Jerry Sitzlar has a rear twin Eleganza and I'll
> ask him to verify that model. If someone with an Edgemont could check the same measurements it would be helpful.
>
> My Avion here is gutted so I can't check it, JR could you check yours, please.
>
> LarryW, could you check your Royale, please.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> The Pedantic Mechanic & Lunar Nut Case
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kerry Pinkerton
>
> 77" hard surface to hard surface. The mattress is about 76". Still has factory burnt orange upholstery.
> --
> Kerry
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