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Tue, 29 April 2014 16:03

werewilfs

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After a "long" trip in the GMC this past weekend my back is begging for some new front seats but my wallet is begging me not to go overboard here. The trip was only 150 miles each way and my back is still sore as hell.

We have the original non moving Orange and Tan seats. I understand the Honda Odyssey middle row seats are a quick fix, correct? Any other options that don't require a whole lot of labor to swap? Anything to stay away from? Would like to keep it reasonably priced if possible. Need to save my cash for other things that are bound to go wrong.

Jared & Stefanie Kohl Rappahannock County, VA 1973 Painted Desert "Onslow"

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Re: [GMCnet] Front seats [message #248806 is a reply to message #248805]

Tue, 29 April 2014 16:07

Olly Schmidt

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Hello Jared & Stefanie Kohl:
> After a "long" trip in the GMC this past weekend my back is begging for some new front seats but my wallet is begging me not to go overboard here. The trip was only 150 miles each way and my back is still sore as hell.
> [..]Any other options that don't require a whole lot of labor to swap? Anything to stay away from? Would like to keep it reasonably priced if possible. Need to save my cash for other things that are bound to go wrong.

Some muscle strengthening?! It really helps, doesn't cost any, and will
get rid of pain in the back. "A strong back has no pain" :-)

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Re: Front seats [message #248807 is a reply to message #248805]

Tue, 29 April 2014 16:16

werewilfs

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I guess I should also note that I am 6'5" and I think a lot of the back pain comes from slumping over to see out the middle of the windshield rather than the very top.

So anything I put in will have to involve changing the height of the pedestal as well. Am looking through the photo site for some ideas but if anyone has any, I'm all ears.

Jared & Stefanie Kohl Rappahannock County, VA 1973 Painted Desert "Onslow"

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Re: [GMCnet] Front seats [message #248808 is a reply to message #248806]

Tue, 29 April 2014 16:20

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Hit Wal-Mart or virtually any of the auto parts stores and get a lumbar pad to get some relief.

There also "pads' with a whole lot of "beads" that are maybe 2 cm in diameter for which some folks claim great relief! They move pressure points around almost continuously and also provide ventilation for you hiney!

Lots cheaper than new or replacement seats!

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> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 17:07:45 -0400
> From: posde@theinternet.de
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Front seats
>
> Hello Jared & Stefanie Kohl:
> > After a "long" trip in the GMC this past weekend my back is begging for some new front seats but my wallet is begging me not to go overboard here. The trip was only 150 miles each way and my back is still sore as hell.
> > [..]Any other options that don't require a whole lot of labor to swap? Anything to stay away from? Would like to keep it reasonably priced if possible. Need to save my cash for other things that are bound to go wrong.
>
> Some muscle strengthening?! It really helps, doesn't cost any, and will
> get rid of pain in the back. "A strong back has no pain" :-)
>
> --
> Best regards
>
> Peer Oliver Schmidt
> PGP Key ID: 0x83E1C2EA

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Re: [GMCnet] Front seats [message #248809 is a reply to message #248807]

Tue, 29 April 2014 16:28

Len Novak

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We have the Honda seats and we like them. I think they were $150 for the set. There instructions online that explain how to install them.

Cheers,

Len and Pat
78 Kingsley, The Beast II with dash lights that work
Fallbrook, CA

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---- Jared & Stefanie Kohl <werewilfs@outlook.com> wrote:
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>
> I guess I should also note that I am 6'5" and I think a lot of the back pain comes from slumping over to see out the middle of the windshield rather than the very top.
>
> So anything I put in will have to involve changing the height of the pedestal as well. Am looking through the photo site for some ideas but if anyone has any, I'm all ears.
> --
> Jared & Stefanie Kohl
> Rappahannock County, VA
> 1973 Painted Desert "Onslow"
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Re: [GMCnet] Front seats [message #248810 is a reply to message #248808]

Tue, 29 April 2014 16:37

werewilfs

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Trust me I have all that. Most of the pads I use make my arms go numb. I am used to making long drives without a problem but the GMC seats (and more likely the fact I am leaning over to see out the windshield) is what is doing me in here.

Jared & Stefanie Kohl Rappahannock County, VA 1973 Painted Desert "Onslow"

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Re: [GMCnet] Front seats [message #248813 is a reply to message #248807]

Tue, 29 April 2014 16:40

kelvin

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On 4/29/2014 2:16 PM, Jared & Stefanie Kohl wrote:
>
> I guess I should also note that I am 6'5" and I think a lot of the back pain comes from slumping over to see out the middle of the windshield rather than the very top.
>
> So anything I put in will have to involve changing the height of the pedestal as well. Am looking through the photo site for some ideas but if anyone has any, I'm all ears.
I'm 6'4", 250#. I was looking out the top 4" of the windshield with the
stock seats. Mine is a '73 so the seats were even WORSE than the later
years. 100 miles in that chair was pretty uncomfortable.

Chevy Astro seats. They have to armrests and adjustable angle on the
seatback. I modified the "boxes" that the '73 sits on by sectioning 2"
out of each of them and taking an extra wedge out of the driver's box to
tilt the driver's seat back for more thigh support. I've sat
comfortably between fillups (350+ miles) with no problem.

Pic of the back of the seats here:
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/cockpit-renovation-2-04/p6428.html

I can provide better pics if you're considering it. Finding decent used
ones might be tricky. This was in 2003.

They've been recovered since. Gray cloth inserts.

I think I paid $50 for three seats. They are dead flat on the bottom so
it was easy to revise the bolt pattern in the swivel plate.

Kelvin
'73 23' in Eugene, OR
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Re: [GMCnet] Front seats [message #248814 is a reply to message #248813]

Tue, 29 April 2014 16:47

werewilfs

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Some better pics would be awesome. If I sit up straight, I am looking out the top 2 inches of the windshield. I don’t think they have created a back exercise yet that will help that.

If I could just lean this seat back, I think I would be ok.

Jared & Stefanie Kohl Rappahannock County, VA 1973 Painted Desert "Onslow"

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Re: [GMCnet] Front seats [message #248816 is a reply to message #248814]

Tue, 29 April 2014 16:52

kelvin

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On 4/29/2014 2:47 PM, Jared & Stefanie Kohl wrote:
>
> Some better pics would be awesome. If I sit up straight, I am looking out the top 2 inches of the windshield. I don’t think they have created a back exercise yet that will help that.

I was surprised to find that the OEM seats were designed that way. It's
not like there weren't tall guys in the '70s, for goodness sake.

Truly unusable for me. One trip is all we took and started tracking
down new seats and revising things. I can't imagine what a couple
hundred miles would have been like.

Is there anyone out there who still uses their '73 OEM seats? They sure
weren't built for someone Jared's or my size - and I've met a lot of GMC
owners who are my size. :^)

Kelvin

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Re: [GMCnet] Front seats [message #248817 is a reply to message #248805]

Tue, 29 April 2014 16:53

USAussie

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Jared,

Please post a photo on the Photo Site (or send it to me directly) of the seat bases in your Painted Desert as the type of seat bases
affects what I would suggest.

Regards,
Rob M.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jared & Stefanie Kohl

After a "long" trip in the GMC this past weekend my back is begging for some new front seats but my wallet is begging me not to go
overboard here. The trip was only 150 miles each way and my back is still sore as hell.

We have the original non moving Orange and Tan seats. I understand the Honda Odyssey middle row seats are a quick fix, correct?
Any other options that don't require a whole lot of labor to swap? Anything to stay away from? Would like to keep it reasonably
priced if possible. Need to save my cash for other things that are bound to go wrong.
--
Jared

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Re: [GMCnet] Front seats [message #248821 is a reply to message #248817]

Tue, 29 April 2014 17:18

djester

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I have a set of Flexsteel seats I replaced with Honda Odessey seats. They are kind of a red/maroon solid color material and in great shape -- no rips, tears or much wear. I'd give them to you, if you could pick them up.

e-mail me and I can send pictures.

Dave

David A. Jester Indianapolis, In 1975 Palm Beach djester@comcast.net

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Re: [GMCnet] Front seats [message #248824 is a reply to message #248817]

Tue, 29 April 2014 17:29

werewilfs

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Rob,

Here you go...

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/500/medium/WP_002985.jpg

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/500/medium/WP_002985.jpg

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/500/medium/WP_002986.jpg

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/500/medium/WP_002986.jpg

Jared & Stefanie Kohl Rappahannock County, VA 1973 Painted Desert "Onslow"

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Re: [GMCnet] Front seats [message #248828 is a reply to message #248821]

Tue, 29 April 2014 17:35

werewilfs

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Dang. If only I lived closer to Indy than I do. Would cost me about $200 in gas RT to get them from you. Although that $200 is cheaper than some of the seats we've been looking at. You don'�t ever happen to be "passing through�"� Virginia, do you?

djester wrote on Tue, 29 April 2014 18:18

I have a set of Flexsteel seats I replaced with Honda Odessey seats. They are kind of a red/maroon solid color material and in great shape -- no rips, tears or much wear. I'd give them to you, if you could pick them up.

e-mail me and I can send pictures.

Dave

Jared & Stefanie Kohl Rappahannock County, VA 1973 Painted Desert "Onslow"

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Re: [GMCnet] Front seats [message #248831 is a reply to message #248828]

Tue, 29 April 2014 17:43

djester

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No, unfortunately, no plans to be close to Virginia.

Dave

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Re: [GMCnet] Front seats [message #248832 is a reply to message #248824]

Tue, 29 April 2014 17:52

kelvin

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On 4/29/2014 3:29 PM, Jared & Stefanie Kohl wrote:
> Rob,
>
> Here you go...
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/500/medium/WP_002985.jpg
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/500/medium/WP_002986.jpg

Same pedestals I have in my '73. The seats look like the early style,
too. Horrible things.

Consider having a couple inches removed from those seat bases. Not
going to matter what you put on them you're still going to be looking
out the top of the windshield. BTW, my 5'4" wife can drive our coach
just fine even though she's looking out of the windshield a few inches
lower than me

Kelvin
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Re: [GMCnet] Front seats [message #248833 is a reply to message #248832]

Tue, 29 April 2014 18:03

werewilfs

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I think that will be the best thing I can do in the interim.

Quote:

Consider having a couple inches removed from those seat bases. Not
going to matter what you put on them you're still going to be looking
out the top of the windshield.

Jared & Stefanie Kohl Rappahannock County, VA 1973 Painted Desert "Onslow"

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Re: [GMCnet] Front seats [message #248834 is a reply to message #248824]

Tue, 29 April 2014 18:06

USAussie

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Jared,

I looked at photo 002985.jpg; am I correct in assuming that to get the seat far enough back to make it comfortable for your legs to
reach the gas and brake pedal you're way up on the ramp which makes you slump over so you can look through the middle of the
windshield?

If you could get the distance from the pedals like you need but at a lower seat height that would help?

Regards,
Rob M.

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Rob,

Here you go...

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/500/medium/WP_002985.jpg

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/500/medium/WP_002986.jpg

Jared

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Re: [GMCnet] Front seats [message #248837 is a reply to message #248834]

Tue, 29 April 2014 18:18

werewilfs

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Leg room is perfect. No issues there at all. It's the head room that is the issue. I think the first thing I will do is remove the bases and see if I can chop off a couple inches from them. I have a welding shop nearby that does odd jobs like this so I'll throw some business their way.

Jared & Stefanie Kohl Rappahannock County, VA 1973 Painted Desert "Onslow"

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Tue, 29 April 2014 19:23

USAussie

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Jared,

You answered my questions albeit indirectly.

What you can do is buy a set of Odyssey seats and install them on swivel bases like the ones in this presentation:

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g5090-seats-from-honda-odyssey.html

Those seat bases are available from Cinnabar 1-800-720-2227; talk to Steve.

They come in two heights: 8 inch and 10 inch, IIRC Steve said only the 10 were left.

The Honda seats use the built in front to rear adjustment.

Regards,
Rob M.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jared & Stefanie Kohl

Leg room is perfect. No issues there at all. It's the head room that is the issue. I think the first thing I will do is remove
the bases and see if I can chop off a couple inches from them. I have a welding shop nearby that does odd jobs like this so I'll
throw some business their way.
--
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Re: [GMCnet] Front seats [message #248843 is a reply to message #248842]

Tue, 29 April 2014 19:35

Bob de Kruyff

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""Jared,

You answered my questions albeit indirectly.

What you can do is buy a set of Odyssey seats and install them on swivel bases like the ones in this presentation:

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g5090-seats-from-honda-odyssey.html

Those seat bases are available from Cinnabar 1-800-720-2227; talk to Steve.

They come in two heights: 8 inch and 10 inch, IIRC Steve said only the 10 were left.

The Honda seats use the built in front to rear adjustment.

Regards,
Rob M.""

Don't forget that the Chrysler/Dodge seats are the same and much more plentiful. Also they are availabel in cloth:
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/seats/p27835-forgot-to-post-a-pic-o.html

Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ

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