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Tue, 01 April 2014 09:54  |
BRDRVR
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Do I need a 10ply tire? I am converting all my units to 16" tires and trying to find the cheapest out there. Once installed these units will be traveling a max of 75miles a year and never get above 30mph. They are going to rot off before the tread wears away. If Ive got to go with 10ply the even with a fleet account at tire rack Im looking at a $100. With the cost of the wheel and shipping and mounting Im not saving that much over just biting the bullet and buying Firestone 16.5 transforce @ 154. Im just looking for a way to not spend $19k on tires. Am I fighting an unwinable battle here?
David Gourdine
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| Re: Tires [message #246008 is a reply to message #246005] |
Tue, 01 April 2014 10:46  |
Ken Burton
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Unless you are loading these things up with a lot of extra weight, you can get by with Load Range D tires inflated to 65 PSI (or less).
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: Tires [message #246018 is a reply to message #246005] |
Tue, 01 April 2014 11:30 |
lqqkatjon
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How many years do you think it will take for new tires to rot out in your environment??
the question you need to consider is where do you want to be long term. do you try to make a yearly investment into tires? or a larger investment every 5-7 years and replace them all at once again.
are most of what you have shot, forcing you to buy all tires this year?
if they rot off in 5-7 years, spending the money for 16" now will save you when you have to replace again in 5-7 years.
Do you have any coaches with 16" aluminum? there might be GMC guys out there that would buy the aluminum rims for the price of 2 sets of steel rims.
other thing that is in my head and is just my opinion, that could be considered in your decision making, I would think one of those 16.5 transforce tire would hold up and last longer then the cheaper $100 discount tire. we run those transforces on our work trucks, and they all seem to out last alternative tires.
Jon Roche
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EBL EFI, manny headers, Micro Level, rebuilt most of coach now.
St. Cloud, MN
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| Re: [GMCnet] Tires [message #246022 is a reply to message #246015] |
Tue, 01 April 2014 11:35 |
Jerry Wheeler
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David,
Are you going to try to put together a mass buy for the 16" tire; one that
others could join you and just have the tires drop shipped to their
locations?? I could use several sets myself (tires only; I already have
Alcoa's).
JR Wheeler 78 Royale NC/OR
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 12:21 PM, A. <markbb1@netzero.com> wrote:
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> BRDRVR wrote on Tue, 01 April 2014 09:54
> > Do I need a 10ply tire? I am converting all my units to 16" tires and
> trying to find the cheapest out there. Once installed these units will be
> traveling a max of 75miles a year and never get above 30mph. They are going
> to rot off before the tread wears away. If Ive got to go with 10ply the
> even with a fleet account at tire rack Im looking at a $100. With the cost
> of the wheel and shipping and mounting Im not saving that much over just
> biting the bullet and buying Firestone 16.5 transforce @ 154. Im just
> looking for a way to not spend $19k on tires. Am I fighting an unwinable
> battle here?
> I am going to expand a bit on what Ken Burton suggested.
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> On the later models, when GM raised the GVWR, the maximum weight on a
> front wheel put the Load Range D tire CLOSE to its maximum load. It is my
> opinion that GM switched to Load Range E tires to build in some more safety
> margin. IIRC, the weight on a front wheel of a 1978 model, with the front
> at its highest rated load, and the maximum spec'd left to right load
> differential was still less than the maximum rated load for a Load Range D
> tire.
>
> Someone with a 1978 model Operator's Manual would have to verify the above.
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| Re: Tires [message #246029 is a reply to message #246005] |
Tue, 01 April 2014 12:09 |
kingd
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Could I ask for a couple of things on the subject of tires?
Can we all agree NOT to call LT load range E 10ply tires ?
Go and read your sidewalls. I'm not sure the sum of ALL the plies in 1 tire would add up to 10. Also can we always use the term LT unless we say load range D or E ?
I've seen on here several times when someone got stuck with
Non LT tires.
THANKS
DAVE KING
lurker, wannabe
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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| Re: Tires [message #246050 is a reply to message #246005] |
Tue, 01 April 2014 13:30 |
George B.
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I have been looking around for new tires for my 26 and find that America's/Discount Tire now has a 16" Load Range E "GT Radial" for $89 Don't know anything about those brand-X tires but that is the lowest one out there for a D or E load range that I have found. There are lower price tires but not in a D or E load rating.
George Butts
Las Vegas Nevada
73 "Custom 26' Q" & 76 23' Birchaven
71 Honda 600 Coupe & 01 Tracker Toads
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| Re: Tires [message #246066 is a reply to message #246005] |
Tue, 01 April 2014 15:06 |
BRDRVR
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I found a tire wholesaler in Miami and got the following
I can get a 16" for 78.45 if I but over 100
LT225/75R16 10 PLY MILESTAR GRANTLAND ROWL TL 10PLY,
Or I can get a 16.5 for 98.50 if I buy over 100
8.75X16.5 10 PLY D902 HWY BW DEESTONE TL, $99.95,
Deestone is a tire that is made in Thailand. Never heard of it but can't beat the price.
As much as Id like to move to the 16" tire I just cant get the numbers down. Unless I can get a 16" tire for $60 it looks like Im taking a ride to Miami. Thanx for all the help and info
David Gourdine
http//www.blackrockdesertrvrental.com
booking@blackrockdesertrvrental.com
727-657-1955
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| Re: Tires [message #246072 is a reply to message #246066] |
Tue, 01 April 2014 15:55 |
tphipps
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David, Then in 5 to 6 years, you can do the search for 16.5" tires all over again. I agree that you will age out the tires, not wear them out. But, you are just pushing your future costs.
With Firestone reported to be making only one run of the 16.5" tire per year now, what will Firestone be doing in 5 years? They could just disappear.
I really want you to stay in business for the next 10 years.
Tom, MS II
2012 Phoenix Cruiser model 2552
KA4CSG
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| Re: [GMCnet] Tires [message #246095 is a reply to message #246066] |
Tue, 01 April 2014 19:08 |
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USAussie
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David,
There is something else to take into consideration if you decide to go with 16" wheels and tires if any of your coaches have had the
front calipers changed to 80mm.
Working with Bob Dunahugh and Tom Whitton I have discovered there are different types of 80mm calipers which have different castings
The ones that Bob has can be made to fit 16" wheels by grinding away a bit on the mounting tabs which doesn't appear to affect the
strength of the mounting.
The ones that Tom has the caliper body would have to be ground down and Tom and I don't think that would be a good idea.
When we figger this out we'll publish the information with photos.
Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of David Gourdine
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 7:06 AM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Tires
I found a tire wholesaler in Miami and got the following
I can get a 16" for 78.45 if I but over 100
LT225/75R16 10 PLY MILESTAR GRANTLAND ROWL TL 10PLY,
Or I can get a 16.5 for 98.50 if I buy over 100
8.75X16.5 10 PLY D902 HWY BW DEESTONE TL, $99.95,
Deestone is a tire that is made in Thailand. Never heard of it but can't beat the price.
As much as Id like to move to the 16" tire I just cant get the numbers down. Unless I can get a 16" tire for $60 it looks like Im
taking a ride to Miami. Thanx for all the help and info
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Rob M. (USAussie)
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Sydney, Australia
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'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] Tires [message #246132 is a reply to message #246066] |
Wed, 02 April 2014 06:36 |
Ken Henderson
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David,
Don't forget that those old 16.5" wheels are undoubtedly rusty as can be,
making it much more difficult to get them looking even half decent, as
opposed to the new 16" wheels. That's worth considerable time & $. The
rust can also lead to difficult to stop bead leaks.
Don't be penny-wise & pound-foolish.
JMHO
Ken H.
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 3:06 PM, David Gourdine wrote:
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> As much as Id like to move to the 16" tire I just cant get the numbers
> down. Unless I can get a 16" tire for $60 it looks like Im taking a ride
> to Miami. Thanx for all the help and info
>
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Tires [message #246141 is a reply to message #246132] |
Wed, 02 April 2014 08:11 |
appie
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David
With the amount of driving you are going to do I would opt for some seccond hands and throw them away when I don not trust them anymore
only driving 75 miles you can take slow and carefull
Just me 5 cents
Appie
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Fulltiming in Europe july 2014 til july 2016
Denmark
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| Re: [GMCnet] Tires [message #246148 is a reply to message #246144] |
Wed, 02 April 2014 09:30 |
Keith V
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there is definitely something to be said to pushing a few Kilodollars out 5-7 years, esp if it's a business!
this way he can scrounge 16" wheels at his leisure and get them cheap. It's also better on the bottom line not to spend money you don't have to
Keith Vasilakes
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| Re: [GMCnet] Tires [message #246151 is a reply to message #246148] |
Wed, 02 April 2014 09:39 |
Bruce Hart
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From my experience in trying to find good steel wheels from the wrecking
yards around Northern Colorado they go for $40 to $50 a wheel. The
U-Pull-It wants $30 + $3 core(?) per wheel and that usually has an outdated
tire mounted on it.
On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 8:30 AM, Keith V <my427v8@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> there is definitely something to be said to pushing a few Kilodollars out
> 5-7 years, esp if it's a business!
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> this way he can scrounge 16" wheels at his leisure and get them cheap.
> It's also better on the bottom line not to spend money you don't have to
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| Re: [GMCnet] Tires [message #246163 is a reply to message #246072] |
Wed, 02 April 2014 11:27 |
jhbridges
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Two things come to mind which are atypical. First, if David is buying 100 + tires, then the value of the money to buy 100+ wheels over ten years is substantial. I say ten years, because he states his coaches only go a few miles per year, and do so at very low speed. This means stretching to ten years isn't going to hurt anything. Now, if over that ten years he vultures Ebay and Craigslist and the GMC list, he can likely amass a lot of 16 inch wheels, keeping his costs even lower. My binniss plan in his circumstance woyuld be the Thai 16.5s and keeping an eye out for 16 inch wheels for cheeeep. Note that this >isn't< what I'd do with over the road coach(es).
--johnny
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Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Tires
David, Then in 5 to 6 years, you can do the search for 16.5" tires all over again. I agree that you will age out the tires, not wear them out. But, you are just pushing your future costs.
With Firestone reported to be making only one run of the 16.5" tire per year now, what will Firestone be doing in 5 years? They could just disappear.
I really want you to stay in business for the next 10 years.
Tom, MS II
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| Re: Tires [message #246172 is a reply to message #246005] |
Wed, 02 April 2014 12:16 |
BRDRVR
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Safety is my main motivator. If it was just me driving I wouldnt have an issue risking the used, old tire. But last year I had a unit out in the desert and the front tire just exploded. Luckily there was no one near it but it was a tire that appeared to have no side or tread separation. In the last month I have bought almost a dozen used tires and once mounted they all were crap. I just feel like Im throwing $$$ away when I buy used. Those Southwest wheels have so many positives as they are new, look good and the price is right at $40 each. I do not ever have any plans on upgrading to the 80mm brakes or rear disc due to the fact that there is so little actual use put on them per year. I know that if I go with these off brand 16.5 Thai tires That they could be complete crap but at the very minimum I need to tire up 8 units for the trip out west. And I agree that who knows what is going to be available in another 5 years. I have 3 units now with Alcoas and would love to convert them all some time in the future but the fact is replacing all the reefers or adding swamp coolers is a better selling point and not shiny wheels that are just going to get dusty anyway. 'Ive got one more tough year financially and cash flow will be much better once the land is paid and the improvements are done this year (well and solar). I can feel critical mass approaching as I started with 4, added last year and will have 18 or 19 this year. I think I can double one more time to 40 units by next year but after that I cant fathom doubling again. My goal was 50 in 5 years and it appears that I will reach that. Now I think to my self that any upgrades are then times 50 gets me anxious and stresses my wife out to no end. She doesnt even want to hear about them anymore. Thanx to all and I really appreciate the input
Thanx. David
David Gourdine
http//www.blackrockdesertrvrental.com
booking@blackrockdesertrvrental.com
727-657-1955
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