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Thu, 27 March 2014 16:33  |
77PBFinland
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Hi everybody!
I was originally going to introduce myself before getting in trouble but...
We bought couple weeks ago our first coach, its a 77 Palm Beach 26ft 37000ml, original interior, painted outside about 10yars ago in orinal colors and theme.
Our friend is now driving it from Los Angeles to Galveston TX to get shipped in Finland, and in first leg just before Phoenix AZ noticed that right side mid tire was wearing out fast.
After closer look and road side tape measuring it seems that right front bogie is bent in and it is 3/4" closer to frame than opposite side.
Do anybody happens to know where to find straight bogie arm nearby/reasonable distance from Phonix, or is it possible to bend back in original shape?
Jake
Jarkko Lampinen
`77 Palm Beach TZE167V100508
Finland Europe
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| Re: Bent bogie arm [message #245369 is a reply to message #245367] |
Thu, 27 March 2014 16:41  |
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An other one coming to europe
Welcome friend I am sure someone will help you out
Appie
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| Re: Bent bogie arm [message #245372 is a reply to message #245367] |
Thu, 27 March 2014 17:04 |
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| 77PBFinland wrote on Thu, 27 March 2014 17:33 |
Hi everybody!
I was originally going to introduce myself before getting in trouble but...
We bought couple weeks ago our first coach, its a 77 Palm Beach 26ft 37000ml, original interior, painted outside about 10yars ago in orinal colors and theme.
Our friend is now driving it from Los Angeles to Galveston TX to get shipped in Finland, and in first leg just before Phoenix AZ noticed that right side mid tire was wearing out fast.
After closer look and road side tape measuring it seems that right front bogie is bent in and it is 3/4" closer to frame than opposite side.
Do anybody happens to know where to find straight bogie arm nearby/reasonable distance from Phonix, or is it possible to bend back in original shape?
Jake
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They can be straightened. Do a forum search for "bogie straighten" and a number of threads will pop up.
Mike K.
'75 PB
Southeast Michigan
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| Re: Bent bogie arm [message #245374 is a reply to message #245367] |
Thu, 27 March 2014 17:14 |
C Boyd
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Sir: This is not uncommon as that is the curb wheel. It can be bent back in shape if the bushings are in decent shape. I have used a small hydraulic jack that would work on its side. Jack it up and remove both wheels so you can straight edge the hubs. block the bent bogie up straight and put the jack between the frame and bogie arm. It takes a short one or a shorty porta-power. It usually takes a couple of try's as it will spring back some so you have to go past where you wanna go. I usually smack it a few times with a hammer while under tension. Take your time and it should go well. I have heard rumors that you can use an old wheel bolted on backwards and use a big long bar thru the holes and bend it back.
| 77PBFinland wrote on Thu, 27 March 2014 17:33 |
Hi everybody!
I was originally going to introduce myself before getting in trouble but...
We bought couple weeks ago our first coach, its a 77 Palm Beach 26ft 37000ml, original interior, painted outside about 10yars ago in orinal colors and theme.
Our friend is now driving it from Los Angeles to Galveston TX to get shipped in Finland, and in first leg just before Phoenix AZ noticed that right side mid tire was wearing out fast.
After closer look and road side tape measuring it seems that right front bogie is bent in and it is 3/4" closer to frame than opposite side.
Do anybody happens to know where to find straight bogie arm nearby/reasonable distance from Phonix, or is it possible to bend back in original shape?
Jake
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East Tennessee
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| Re: Bent bogie arm [message #245386 is a reply to message #245381] |
Thu, 27 March 2014 18:38 |
Ken Burton
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Get a 5 or 6 feet long straight edge. An aluminum measuring stick from Home Depot, Lowes, Menards, or the home supply store of your choice works well. Jack up the coach with no air in the bag on the right rear only. Remove the wheels and place the straight edge across the two hubs. You will immediately be able to see just how far out of line the wheel is. Take a porta-power, or small hydraulic jack, and place it between the frame and the back of of the arm and start jacking. I would reenforce the frame area where the jack sits with something. A piece of metal or even wood to spread out the force will work. Start jacking out until you get it straight again. You will have to go past the point of being straight because it will spring back some when the jack is removed.
At one rally I attended someone had a screw type device that worked well. We probably did about 15 coaches there including mine.
It is not a difficult job. It takes probably 1 hour. Most of the time is spent taking off and reinstalling the wheels.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] Bent bogie arm [message #245404 is a reply to message #245367] |
Thu, 27 March 2014 19:49 |
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Hi Jake
You bend it back to original shape.
Move it with a porta power or expanding bolt and tube. Reinforce the frame
so it will not bend. Peen the arm to cause it to take set. Release
pressure. Measure. Repeat.
bdub
Why are our GMCs going overseas???
-----Original Message-----
From: On Behalf Of Jarkko Lampinen
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 4:34 PM
Hi everybody!
I was originally going to introduce myself before getting in trouble but...
We bought couple weeks ago our first coach, its a 77 Palm Beach 26ft
37000ml, original interior, painted outside about 10yars ago in orinal
colors and theme.
Our friend is now driving it from Los Angeles to Galveston TX to get shipped
in Finland, and in first leg just before Phoenix AZ noticed that right side
mid tire was wearing out fast.
After closer look and road side tape measuring it seems that right front
bogie is bent in and it is 3/4" closer to frame than opposite side.
Do anybody happens to know where to find straight bogie arm
nearby/reasonable distance from Phonix, or is it possible to bend back in
original shape?
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| Re: Bent bogie arm [message #245407 is a reply to message #245367] |
Thu, 27 March 2014 19:56 |
Bob de Kruyff
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| 77PBFinland wrote on Thu, 27 March 2014 15:33 |
Hi everybody!
I was originally going to introduce myself before getting in trouble but...
We bought couple weeks ago our first coach, its a 77 Palm Beach 26ft 37000ml, original interior, painted outside about 10yars ago in orinal colors and theme.
Our friend is now driving it from Los Angeles to Galveston TX to get shipped in Finland, and in first leg just before Phoenix AZ noticed that right side mid tire was wearing out fast.
After closer look and road side tape measuring it seems that right front bogie is bent in and it is 3/4" closer to frame than opposite side.
Do anybody happens to know where to find straight bogie arm nearby/reasonable distance from Phonix, or is it possible to bend back in original shape?
Jake
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I am in phoenix and have a porta power. I can do this if the coach is still in the area.
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] Bent bogie arm [message #245418 is a reply to message #245407] |
Thu, 27 March 2014 20:21 |
Kingsley Coach
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It is GMCMI(nternational) isn't it?? <g>
Mike in NS
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 9:56 PM, Bob de Kruyff <NEXT2POOL@aol.com> wrote:
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> 77PBFinland wrote on Thu, 27 March 2014 15:33
> > Hi everybody!
> > I was originally going to introduce myself before getting in trouble
> but...
> > We bought couple weeks ago our first coach, its a 77 Palm Beach 26ft
> 37000ml, original interior, painted outside about 10yars ago in orinal
> colors and theme.
> > Our friend is now driving it from Los Angeles to Galveston TX to get
> shipped in Finland, and in first leg just before Phoenix AZ noticed that
> right side mid tire was wearing out fast.
> > After closer look and road side tape measuring it seems that right front
> bogie is bent in and it is 3/4" closer to frame than opposite side.
> > Do anybody happens to know where to find straight bogie arm
> nearby/reasonable distance from Phonix, or is it possible to bend back in
> original shape?
> >
> > Jake
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> I am in phoenix and have a porta power. I can do this if the coach is
> still in the area.
> --
> Bob de Kruyff
> 78 Eleganza
> Chandler, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] Bent bogie arm [message #245433 is a reply to message #245418] |
Thu, 27 March 2014 21:24 |
corleyw
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Make sure that it is really bent. The person checking it may have just parked it after a turn, and it has not found it's neutral position yet. On corners, they go all catty wompus, look like they are about to fall off, and scare the cr__ out of you. Drive it straight for a ways before checking..
Corley
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| Re: [GMCnet] Bent bogie arm [message #245443 is a reply to message #245433] |
Thu, 27 March 2014 22:35 |
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USAussie
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I guess you missed reading this:
Our friend is now driving it from Los Angeles to Galveston TX to get shipped in Finland, and in first leg just before Phoenix AZ
noticed that right side mid tire was wearing out fast.
Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Corley Wooldridge
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 1:24 PM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Bent bogie arm
Make sure that it is really bent. The person checking it may have just parked it after a turn, and it has not found it's neutral
position yet. On corners, they go all catty wompus, look like they are about to fall off, and scare the cr__ out of you. Drive it
straight for a ways before checking..
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Corley
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Rob M. (USAussie)
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Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] Bent bogie arm [message #245449 is a reply to message #245367] |
Thu, 27 March 2014 22:49 |
Ken Henderson
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Jake,
You've gotten most of the possible recommendations for bending the arm back
into place. DON'T follow your first inclination to replace the arm, at
least not until it's certain you can't repair the one that's on there. You
see, the entire rear suspension, bogie, both arms, air bag, etc., etc.,
must come off to replace an arm. Then you've got the problem on reassembly
of restoring the same shim arrangement as before (or, more accurately,
making sure it's re-shimmed properly). Frankly, I'm not sure there's
anyone alive today who really knows how to do that shimming -- except for
the repair manual.
You CAN bend it back -- I did two of them (in the other direction) in
Alaska in 2000 using a bottle jack.
Ken H.
Americus, GA
'76 X-Birchaven w/Cad500/Howell EFI & EBL
www.gmcwipersetc.com
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Jarkko Lampinen wrote:
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> Hi everybody!
> I was originally going to introduce myself before getting in trouble but...
> We bought couple weeks ago our first coach, its a 77 Palm Beach 26ft
> 37000ml, original interior, painted outside about 10yars ago in orinalcolors and theme.
> Our friend is now driving it from Los Angeles to Galveston TX to get
> shipped in Finland, and in first leg just before Phoenix AZ noticed that
> right side mid tire was wearing out fast.
> After closer look and road side tape measuring it seems that right front
> bogie is bent in and it is 3/4" closer to frame than opposite side.
> Do anybody happens to know where to find straight bogie arm
> nearby/reasonable distance from Phonix, or is it possible to bend back in
> original shape?
>
> Jake
>
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Bent bogie arm [message #245451 is a reply to message #245443] |
Thu, 27 March 2014 22:56 |
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""I guess you missed reading this:
Our friend is now driving it from Los Angeles to Galveston TX to get shipped in Finland, and in first leg just before Phoenix AZ
noticed that right side mid tire was wearing out fast.
Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
""
People have their mind made up before even starting to read. Great candidates for car service advisors 
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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| Re: Bent bogie arm [message #245472 is a reply to message #245407] |
Fri, 28 March 2014 07:27 |
kerry pinkerton
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| Bob de Kruyff wrote on Thu, 27 March 2014 19:56 |
I am in phoenix and have a porta power. I can do this if the coach is still in the area.
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I'd take Bob up on his offer, even if you have to backtrack to get to his shop. You'll not find a tire store or truck stop that has a clue how to fix this.
The alternative is to buy a few tires along the way and have to deal with it when you get it off the ship.
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
Had 5 over the years. Currently have a '06 Fleetwood Discovery 39L
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| Re: [GMCnet] Bent bogie arm [message #245503 is a reply to message #245502] |
Fri, 28 March 2014 10:08 |
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| k2gkk wrote on Fri, 28 March 2014 09:59 |
Well, my heritage is 1/4 Svensk; does that count?
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Me too!!! The other 3/4 is Norsk!!!! That is why I am called Yimmy instead of Jimmy. In fact, I did not know my name was Jimmy until I started school. The neighborhood I was raised in was all Scandinavian for several blocks around.
Little Yimmy - W9VUA
75 PB - F260206
Twin Cities, MN
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| Re: [GMCnet] Bent bogie arm [message #245509 is a reply to message #245503] |
Fri, 28 March 2014 10:48 |
james Ernst
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Yimmy do you yust go nuts at Christmas? I just had to ask couldn't resist.
Lol.
I thought of yogi jorgensen just then.
On Mar 28, 2014 10:09 AM, "Jim Melberg" <pb75ft26@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> k2gkk wrote on Fri, 28 March 2014 09:59
> > Well, my heritage is 1/4 Svensk; does that count?
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> Me too!!! The other 3/4 is Norsk!!!! That is why I am called Yimmy
> instead of Jimmy. In fact, I did not know my name was Jimmy until I
> started school. The neighborhood I was raised in was all Scandinavian for
> several blocks around.
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> Little Yimmy - W9VUA
> 75 PB - F260206
> Twin Cities, MN
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| Re: [GMCnet] Bent bogie arm [message #245512 is a reply to message #245449] |
Fri, 28 March 2014 11:35 |
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Ken,
How did you bend the bogie "in"? Did you park next to a telephone pole or some other strong anchor post? Any pictures or description of your process?
I think, but haven't verified yet, that my passenger side front bogie is bent outward. The tire is wearing on the inside.
Thanks
Gene Barrow
Lake Almanor, Ca.
1976 Palm Beach
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| Re: [GMCnet] Bent bogie arm [message #245513 is a reply to message #245443] |
Fri, 28 March 2014 11:37 |
corleyw
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| USAussie wrote on Thu, 27 March 2014 19:35 |
I guess you missed reading this:
Our friend is now driving it from Los Angeles to Galveston TX to get shipped in Finland, and in first leg just before Phoenix AZ
noticed that right side mid tire was wearing out fast.
Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
-----Original Message-----
From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Corley Wooldridge
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 1:24 PM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Bent bogie arm
Make sure that it is really bent. The person checking it may have just parked it after a turn, and it has not found it's neutral
position yet. On corners, they go all catty wompus, look like they are about to fall off, and scare the cr__ out of you. Drive it
straight for a ways before checking..
--
Corley
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Rob,
I didn't miss that at all, however in my mind, being "bent" and "tire wear" are certainly "questionable facts". I don't think we know anything of this drivers qualifications. I just know that when the suspension is all out of shape due to parking in a turn, an unfamiliar person can get concerned about that, and perhaps "imagine" new tire wear that isn't really there.
(This actually happened to me when I was stopped for gas one time. A stranger came up to me and said my tire was going to wear out fast because the suspension was all bent out of shape and I should get it fixed right away, and it was unsafe.)
I don't mean to imply that absolutely is the case, but... If the driver is not familiar with GMC MHs, he might see a misaligned tire on a parked coach, and decide it is wearing out a tire when it is actually not doing so at all. Or, it could very well be bent, only checking it properly will tell.
Stranger things have happened, and I felt it worth questioning. If you don't agree, well, isn't this all about different ideas on things, and exchanging possibilities, ideas and information? JMHO
Corley
'76 Glenbrook
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