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Re: [GMCnet] 3 fuel tanks [message #61108 is a reply to message #61084] Thu, 22 October 2009 05:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mr ERFisher is currently offline  Mr ERFisher   United States
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Have you read this by Chuck Garton?
http://www.gmcpc.org/archive/3rd_fuel_tank.pdf

gene


On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:12 PM, Les Burt <burtco99@yahoo.com> wrote:

> For those of you with 3 fuel tanks, what have you done regarding fuel pumps
> and selector valves?
>


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Re: [GMCnet] Quebec Coach update (long) [message #61113 is a reply to message #61068] Thu, 22 October 2009 06:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Welcome aboard, Les. It sounds as if you've got good control of your
situation. Please keep us informed (with photos) of your progress.

Ken Henderson
Americus, GA
'76 X-Birchaven
www.gmcwipersetc.com

Les Burt wrote:
> Well I thought I'd post my progress on the 1975 Eleganza II that I purchased
> off of eBay earlier this year. If anyone has any comments or suggestions
> feel free to respond...
> Thanks,
> Les Burt
> Montreal
>
>

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Re: [GMCnet] Inteli-power PD9280 charger/converter [message #61117 is a reply to message #61096] Thu, 22 October 2009 06:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
GMCWiperMan is currently offline  GMCWiperMan   United States
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Rob,

I'm still running the 9100 series Progressive Dynamics which requires
the Charge Wizard (remote indicator) to provide the 3-stage charging
features. I hid that darned flashing thing in a cabinet. After 7-8
years, the light leaking around the cabinet door still startles me when
I wake up at night. You see, I could never remember the meanings of the
steady, flashing, fast flashing, or whatever codes. The PD does its
thing and I do mine and neither of us either bothers the other. The
9200 series does not require an external Charge Wizard so I wouldn't
waste $0.50 on one.

JMHO,

Ken Indicator-Addicted H.

Rob Mueller wrote:
> Les,
>
> I just fitted a PD-9260 that John Sharpe found on eBay for $160.
>
> As I am electrically challenged I will let one of the electrical wiz "kids"
> respond to your technical questions.
>
> Whatever unit you buy I would suggest you get the remote indicator with the
> flashing LED that tells you what mode the PD is operating in.
>
> Regards,
> Rob Mueller
>

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Re: [GMCnet] Inteli-power PD9280 charger/converter [message #61118 is a reply to message #61083] Thu, 22 October 2009 07:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Les,

Your concerns are justified only by your effort to get it right, not by
battery characteristics.

The PD9280 will attempt to charge your batteries at the same voltages as
would a 9201 (if there were such a thing). Batteries accept current
based on their individual internal resistances and the applied voltage.
Conversely, chargers supply voltage appropriate for the desired effect
on batteries of a specific chemical composition -- they don't care, up
to the limit of their capability, how much current the attached
batteries accept. A large capacity charger can supply more current as
long as the attached batteries' terminal voltage allows them to accept
it; when the batteries' terminal voltage reaches that of the charger,
flow stops.

Batteries connected in parallel, whether permanently or with a combiner,
will, as above, accept current based on the voltage applied to their
terminals. They don't know or care where that voltage comes from, a
charger/converter or another battery.

If you don't do much dry camping, you probably don't need the capacity
of the 9280. If you do, you'll appreciate being able to charge your
batteries more quickly with a brief generator run.


Regarding the dedicated battery for the Onan: Why bother? There are
very few circumstances under which you would need that double
redundancy. I have powered my generator from the house batteries for
over 10 years. With the chassis battery available one button push away
for backup, I've never seen the need for still another battery to be
purchased, installed, hauled around, and maintained.

JMHO,

Ken H.

Les Burt wrote:
> My buzz box is dead and awaiting replacement. I'm considering the
> Inteli-power PD9280 since PD has refurbished units foe a reasonable price. I
> have a few concerns as follows:...

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Re: [GMCnet] Inteli-power PD9280 charger/converter [message #61119 is a reply to message #61117] Thu, 22 October 2009 07:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ken,

I located the PD-9260 under a shelf under the sink in the bathroom and stuck
the flashing indicator to the A/C circuit panel. The cupboard door is "light
tight" and I have to open the cupboard door to see it so no surprises! As
far as what the flashing means you raise a good point, I'll have to glue a
"cheat sheet" to the inside of the cupboard door; I have CRS too! ;-)

Regards,
Rob Mueller
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426


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Sent: Thursday, 22 October 2009 10:55 PM
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Inteli-power PD9280 charger/converter

Rob,

I'm still running the 9100 series Progressive Dynamics which requires
the Charge Wizard (remote indicator) to provide the 3-stage charging
features. I hid that darned flashing thing in a cabinet. After 7-8
years, the light leaking around the cabinet door still startles me when
I wake up at night. You see, I could never remember the meanings of the
steady, flashing, fast flashing, or whatever codes. The PD does its
thing and I do mine and neither of us either bothers the other. The
9200 series does not require an external Charge Wizard so I wouldn't
waste $0.50 on one.

JMHO,

Ken Indicator-Addicted H.

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Re: [GMCnet] Black water tank [message #61123 is a reply to message #61090] Thu, 22 October 2009 07:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Rick,
Have you seen this??

http://www.stealth316.com/2-dp8005.htm

J.R. Wright



> Les Burt writes...
>
>> My black water tank has cracks around the level sensor flange and
>> around the
>> toilet bung. Has anyone had any luck repairing cracks in these
>> locations?
>> What did you do?
>
> Welding is the only option. There are no proven adhesives for the
> polypropylene tank material.
>
> Rick "who has more than a few cracks on teh top of the waste tank"
> Denney
>
> '73 230 Ex-Glacier "Jaws"
> Northern Virginia
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Michigan
Re: [GMCnet] 3 fuel tanks [message #61124 is a reply to message #61084] Thu, 22 October 2009 08:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Here is a more direct route to the information.

http://www.gmcpc.org/archive/3rd_fuel_tank.pdf

J.R. Wright



> For those of you with 3 fuel tanks, what have you done regarding
> fuel pumps
> and selector valves?
>
> Since I need to replace all the fuel feed and vent lines as well as
> the
> rubber connectors on the fill tubes, I am considering doing all the
> prep
> work for a 3rd tank.
>
> I have thought of using three facet fuel pumps with internal check
> valves
> and doing away with the selector valves. The check valves should
> prevent any
> feed back from one pump to another. By selecting the correct switch,
> I can
> easily control the fuel gauge and related pump simultaneously and not
> require the selector valve.
>
> Any comments?
>
> Thanks,
> Les Burt
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Re: [GMCnet] Quebec Coach update (long) [message #61128 is a reply to message #61113] Thu, 22 October 2009 09:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
GMC_LES is currently offline  GMC_LES   United States
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Photos & updates covering the odd & different stuff will be posted. I won't
bore everyone with the routine everyday repairs that most of you have
already done a dozen times.

Thanks,
Les Burt



Welcome aboard, Les. It sounds as if you've got good control of your
situation. Please keep us informed (with photos) of your progress.

Ken Henderson
Americus, GA
'76 X-Birchaven
www.gmcwipersetc.com

Les Burt wrote:
> Well I thought I'd post my progress on the 1975 Eleganza II that I
purchased
> off of eBay earlier this year. If anyone has any comments or suggestions
> feel free to respond...
> Thanks,
> Les Burt
> Montreal
>

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Re: [GMCnet] Quebec Coach update (long) [message #61156 is a reply to message #61100] Thu, 22 October 2009 09:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
GMC_LES is currently offline  GMC_LES   United States
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The whine I'm hearing isn't the final drive because the coach does it while
parked.

When I first start the engine cold, I can hear a whine reassembling a PS
pump low on fluid. The sound varies with engine RPM. Once everything is
warmed up for a few minutes, the sound is gone until I put the tranny into
gear, fwd or rev doesn't matter, all it takes is a load. The whine is barely
audible at idle, but increases with RPM. Once the tranny is warmed up (15
minutes of idling) the whine is audible only when RPM is increased over
1000RPM in gear. In neutral or park, no noise. Fluid levels were checked and
topped off with tranny warm and engine idling.

I plan to pull the governor to verify correct fluid level, I'm thinking that
the dipstick may not be accurate.


I may install stainless brake lines as well since I have the raw SS tubing,
but I also have epoxy coated steel brake & fuel tubing that would be durable
enough to make me happy. Haven't decided either way yet.


Thanks,
Les Burt



Tranny whine might be Marvin Peck gears. Mine have a very slight
whine but I've heard that they can howl!

I had Tom Hampton fit a set of his stainless brake lines on my
Mystery Machine. They really are like jewelry. Pricey but money well
spent, I think.

Larry Davick
The Mystery Machine

Ljdavick at comcast.net
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Re: [GMCnet] Black water tank [message #61157 is a reply to message #61075] Thu, 22 October 2009 11:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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There's a new one out: 3M Scotch-Weld, DP-8005,
a structural adhesive for polyethylene and polypropylene.



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Re: [GMCnet] 3 fuel tanks [message #61163 is a reply to message #61108] Thu, 22 October 2009 10:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yes I have read that info thoroughly. Unfortunately, it does not mention
what was done with regards to the selector valve.

I'll figure out a solution, just wanted to pick the heads of those already
been there. :)

Thanks,
Les Burt

Have you read this by Chuck Garton?
http://www.gmcpc.org/archive/3rd_fuel_tank.pdf

gene


On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:12 PM, Les Burt <burtco99@yahoo.com> wrote:

> For those of you with 3 fuel tanks, what have you done regarding fuel
pumps
> and selector valves?
>

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[GMCnet] Rear bearing caps [message #61164 is a reply to message #61128] Thu, 22 October 2009 14:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
GMC_LES is currently offline  GMC_LES   United States
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Anyone know a part number or application for the Rear spindle/hub caps?

I need several of the Bearing grease caps and 1 of the chrome outer caps.


Thanks,
Les Burt


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icon6.gif  Re: Promoting the GMC*- What can we do? - LONG [message #61169 is a reply to message #60797] Thu, 22 October 2009 15:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hello, Dave.

Some good promo ideas in this thread.

One thing we should all keep in mind is, the best promotional work any of can do is simply to use our coaches. The more they are seen on the road and around camp sites, the higher the awareness of their viability will be.


Cheers, David-- BIG YLLO-- '76 Glenbrook
Re: [GMCnet] Rear bearing caps [message #61194 is a reply to message #61164] Thu, 22 October 2009 17:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Les,

For what it's worth according to the GMC Parts Book page 19-6 the part
numbers are:

721381 CAP - wheel brg. Seal (outer)
3936465 CAP - wheel brg. (inner)

Suggest you contact Michael Bozardt of GMCRECS.

gemrecs@yahoo.com

He's currently traveling and won't be back in Houston for awhile.

Regards,
Rob Mueller
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426


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Subject: [GMCnet] Rear bearing caps

Anyone know a part number or application for the Rear spindle/hub caps?

I need several of the Bearing grease caps and 1 of the chrome outer caps.


Thanks,
Les Burt


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Re: [GMCnet] Rear bearing caps [message #61203 is a reply to message #61194] Thu, 22 October 2009 18:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks Rob,

I had just found those numbers myself when you posted.
I measured the original inner caps and they are 2.5". Dorman has a cap for
the Ford 3/4 & 1 ton chassis that might fit. Dorman 618-504

It also looks as though Dorman has the Rear spindle nut and thrust washer
for the GMC. The numbers match OEM in there listing.

Dorman 615-057 - rear spindle nut
Dorman 618-007 - rear spindle outer thrust washer

I will contact Michael for the outer cap as it is GMC specific I think.

Thanks,
Les Burt




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Les,

For what it's worth according to the GMC Parts Book page 19-6 the part
numbers are:

721381 CAP - wheel brg. Seal (outer)
3936465 CAP - wheel brg. (inner)

Suggest you contact Michael Bozardt of GMCRECS.

gemrecs@yahoo.com

He's currently traveling and won't be back in Houston for awhile.

Regards,
Rob Mueller
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426


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Subject: [GMCnet] Rear bearing caps

Anyone know a part number or application for the Rear spindle/hub caps?

I need several of the Bearing grease caps and 1 of the chrome outer caps.


Thanks,
Les Burt


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Re: [GMCnet] Rear bearing caps [message #61207 is a reply to message #61203] Thu, 22 October 2009 18:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Les,

Be sure to let us know if you get those spindle nuts. I tried a few
years ago and they never arrived.

Ken H.

Les Burt wrote:
> Thanks Rob,
>
> I had just found those numbers myself when you posted.
> I measured the original inner caps and they are 2.5". Dorman has a cap for
> the Ford 3/4 & 1 ton chassis that might fit. Dorman 618-504
>
> It also looks as though Dorman has the Rear spindle nut and thrust washer
> for the GMC. The numbers match OEM in there listing.
>
> Dorman 615-057 - rear spindle nut
> Dorman 618-007 - rear spindle outer thrust washer
>
> I will contact Michael for the outer cap as it is GMC specific I think.
>
> Thanks,
> Les Burt
>

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Re: [GMCnet] Rear bearing caps [message #61208 is a reply to message #61207] Thu, 22 October 2009 18:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I found them online at RockAuto.com

I have a long list of parts to order and some will be coming from them so
I'll add the nuts and washers to the list.

Thanks,
Les Burt


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Les,

Be sure to let us know if you get those spindle nuts. I tried a few
years ago and they never arrived.

Ken H.

Les Burt wrote:
> Thanks Rob,
>
> I had just found those numbers myself when you posted.
> I measured the original inner caps and they are 2.5". Dorman has a cap for
> the Ford 3/4 & 1 ton chassis that might fit. Dorman 618-504
>
> It also looks as though Dorman has the Rear spindle nut and thrust washer
> for the GMC. The numbers match OEM in there listing.
>
> Dorman 615-057 - rear spindle nut
> Dorman 618-007 - rear spindle outer thrust washer
>
> I will contact Michael for the outer cap as it is GMC specific I think.
>
> Thanks,
> Les Burt
>

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Re: [GMCnet] Rear bearing caps [message #61209 is a reply to message #61208] Thu, 22 October 2009 18:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I hope their price is better than this one:

http://www.outdoorpros.com/Prod/Dorman-615-057-Axle-Spindle-Nut-Kit/47585/Cat/1268

Ken H.

Les Burt wrote:
> I found them online at RockAuto.com
>
> I have a long list of parts to order and some will be coming from them so
> I'll add the nuts and washers to the list.
>
> Thanks,
> Les Burt
>
>

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Re: [GMCnet] Rear bearing caps [message #61217 is a reply to message #61209] Thu, 22 October 2009 20:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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RockAuto is selling them for a bit under $7ea. Dorman apparently also offers
them in packs of 5 so that might explain the $28 asking price.

Thanks,
Les Burt

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I hope their price is better than this one:

http://www.outdoorpros.com/Prod/Dorman-615-057-Axle-Spindle-Nut-Kit/47585/Ca
t/1268

Ken H.

Les Burt wrote:
> I found them online at RockAuto.com
>
> I have a long list of parts to order and some will be coming from them so
> I'll add the nuts and washers to the list.
>
> Thanks,
> Les Burt
>
>

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Re: [GMCnet] 3 fuel tanks [message #61247 is a reply to message #61163] Fri, 23 October 2009 01:24 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Each fuel tank has its own electric fuel pump; no selector valve and
no mechanical fuel pump. The electric fuel pumps are NOT vane style
pumps because one can pump fuel backwards through them; this requirs a
check valve.

I use the "bouncer" type pumps because they have 2 check valves built
in. By running 3 pumps, one has 2 built in backups. I have had one
failed electric fuel pump in 30 years.

Chuck Garton
77 Kingsley 455
Ridgecrest, CA

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 8:12 AM, Les Burt <burtco99@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Yes I have read that info thoroughly. Unfortunately, it does not mention
> what was done with regards to the selector valve.
>
> I'll figure out a solution, just wanted to pick the heads of those already
> been there. :)
>
> Thanks,
> Les Burt
>
> Have you read this by Chuck Garton?
> http://www.gmcpc.org/archive/3rd_fuel_tank.pdf
>
> gene
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:12 PM, Les Burt <burtco99@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> For those of you with 3 fuel tanks, what have you done regarding fuel
> pumps
>> and selector valves?
>>
>
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