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Re: [GMCnet] Is Mobil 1 the best oil for the GMC? [message #49552 is a reply to message #49542] Wed, 15 July 2009 11:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Tin Gerbil is currently offline  Tin Gerbil   United States
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Miguel;
GM made a movie of a 1957 Chev Taxi owned by the Devonshire Hotel,
Vancouver, B.C. changing Delo 400 every week, it went one million miles,
on 4 valve grinds. No bearing changes.

I took a GM 427 gravel truck engine apart, looking for a crank that
could be turned. The engine had sat in a field for years. 400,000+
miles and the crank was as new. Delo 400 changed every week, as the
truck was used off highway. The owner had tossed the engine, "because
it was old."

I still want to know why Dick Paterson highly recommends Mobil 1. He
says it give better protection and heat transfer than any Dino oil. No
downside?

MIGUEL MENDEZ wrote:
>
> WOW, oil, tires, which brakes work best.
>
> I have been using Delo 400 for years, in our trucking company, thats
> what we used and i still use it, and anyone who has run with me in
> the GMC will know that i run my lady hard, 3.70 final drive and i
> catch myself @ 80 mph alot of times ( just keeping up with traffic
> officer)a lot of rpms and for hours at a time, i do 5,000 mile oil
> changes and i have never had any oil related problems, ihave opened
> up a few motors and have had to scratch my head at what i saw, i even
> called Bob Lamey to look at them and he said, " Oh, thats Mobil one
> oil", is it thebest, yes, if your happy with it, use it, i do, in my
> STS,but not in my diesel pick up's, nor my Aveo, S10, Sand rail. i
> just use Delo 400, or Rotela T in those, and if anyone knows me, i
> drivemy Diesels hard as well, my 94 6.5 has 380,000, my duramax has
> 98,000, S10 i think only 58,000 and the Aveo, 49,000.
>
> do i swear by that oil, Heck no, but thats just what i use, why mobil
> 1 in the caddy, it calls for it.in the cars, 5,000 mile oil changes
> and the diesel's 10,000 mile oil changes.
>
> I have seen clyinders run with mobil 1 and seen build up that your
> right, air chilsel will clean it up.
>
> if your happy with the oil your using, keep using it, if you want to
> change to M 1, great use that, but again, is it the best!!!, it is
> all a matter of opinion and what you feel is best for you.
>
> as for tires???, don't ask me, cuz i will tell you, any tire is good,
> as long as it is not an all steel tire, your fine, ragwalls, L/R D or
> E and get on down the road.
>
> I just put a set of Yokohama Geolanders on my 94 P/U, good price and
> they seem just fine, i have seen many running themon GMC's so who
> knows, that might be my next set???
>
> Everyone enjoy your GMC motor homes and thanks for your time
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Re: [GMCnet] Is Mobil 1 the best oil for the GMC? [message #49565 is a reply to message #49552] Wed, 15 July 2009 13:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Keith V is currently offline  Keith V   United States
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Well I guess I'm different.
i run Amsoil 10w30 and their trans fluid in both my '92 Saturn and my 97 Caravan. I plan on running some version of it in the GMC. After I break in the new engine.

The Caravan has the original transmission with 197,000 miles (if you know Caravans you know thats not common)and I'm not all that nice to it.

I had the head off of the saturn as the head gasket corroded allowing antifreeze into the coolant. It ran for a week or more with multiple quarts of antifreeze in the oil. By the time I noticed it there was at least 4 quarts of antifreeze in the oil. When I pulled the plug the oil came out green!

The oil pressure is as close as I can tell to what it was before and the cylinders look almost new, can still see the factory crosshatch and there was no ridge.

There was also no build up under the valve covers and very little varnish on the rods when I pulled the pan. I didn't pull the bearings so I have no visual on them. This IS a '92 Saturn after all...no need to make it perfect.

Oh, I change the oil spring and fall, which comes to about 5000 miles on the Saturn and 8000 on the van



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Re: [GMCnet] Is Mobil 1 the best oil for the GMC? [message #49574 is a reply to message #49565] Wed, 15 July 2009 15:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Larry is currently offline  Larry   United States
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Keith V wrote on Wed, 15 July 2009 13:00

Well I guess I'm different.
i run Amsoil 10w30 and their trans fluid in both my '92 Saturn and my 97 Caravan. I plan on running some version of it in the GMC. After I break in the new engine.

The Caravan has the original transmission with 197,000 miles (if you know Caravans you know thats not common)and I'm not all that nice to it.

I had the head off of the saturn as the head gasket corroded allowing antifreeze into the coolant. It ran for a week or more with multiple quarts of antifreeze in the oil. By the time I noticed it there was at least 4 quarts of antifreeze in the oil. When I pulled the plug the oil came out green!

The oil pressure is as close as I can tell to what it was before and the cylinders look almost new, can still see the factory crosshatch and there was no ridge.

There was also no build up under the valve covers and very little varnish on the rods when I pulled the pan. I didn't pull the bearings so I have no visual on them. This IS a '92 Saturn after all...no need to make it perfect.

Oh, I change the oil spring and fall, which comes to about 5000 miles on the Saturn and 8000 on the van



I run Amsoil 20w50 in my 500 and Mobil 1 trans fluid in the trans. With all of the time and money I have in the motor, a little extra $ for a good oil is a grain of sand on the beach. JMHO


Larry Smile
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Menomonie, WI.
Re: [GMCnet] Is Mobil 1 the best oil for the GMC? [message #49586 is a reply to message #49485] Wed, 15 July 2009 17:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Rick Denney wrote on Tue, 14 July 2009 18:00

Mike Miller writes...

> I noticed while Mobil 1 15W-50 is rated "API SM/SL", Mobil 1 High
> Mileage 10W-40 is rated "API SL/CF". (Notice the lack of"SM".)

> It SOUNDS like Mobil 1 High Mileage 10W-40 would be the better of
> the two oils to use in most of our motors.

Both of them use the same language to describe the additional
anti-wear additive they provide for older flat-tappet engines, if you
look at the descriptions for each oil. They don't mentioned ZDDP by
name, but they do mention older valve-trains needing those additives
and newer engines not needing them.

Rick "thinking we're safe either way" Denney

'73 230 Ex-Glacier "Jaws"
Northern Virginia

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it would be interesting to see test results showing the level of additives in these two examples.


Fred V
'77 Royale RB 455
P'cola, Fl
Re: Is Mobil 1 the best oil for the GMC? [message #49622 is a reply to message #49112] Thu, 16 July 2009 07:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
MIGUEL MENDEZ is currently offline  MIGUEL MENDEZ   United States
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As i said, and ireally do not know if Mobil 1, Amsoil, royal purple, rotela t syn, mobil delavac, or dello 400 is best, i just know that i use dello 400 or rotella t and never have had any problems.

i changed to rotell t syn in my duramax diesel to see if i could notice anything different???, in a run to the colorado river, on i 40, it gets very, very hot, hauling my 30' travel trailer loaded, i hooked up my tec 2 and i must say that ijust did not notice and differance in tem readings that would make me stand on my head, yes i also tried mobil one and the same trip to parker, same results, ijust did not see any thing that would make me stand on my head.

for those you you who have never been here in s calif, i will tell you, it gets hot, and we have alot of hills to climb out of, so temps do go up, things get real hot here at times. i have been in death valley when it read 120 F and thats just hot, in both my GMC and my D max, just didn't notice anything really running any cooler, HOWEVER,what i am saying is that, everyone should use the oil they like best, i got customers who thought changing to mobil 1 would solveall the problems they had, burning oil, 1 qt per 400 miles etc, alot also has to do with the condition of the motor, if it is just plumb worn out, don't waste your 8$ per qt i would say, not, if you build a fresh motor and use high silicon pistons so you can make the piston clear. very tight, then sure, use mobil 1, royal purple, amsoil, even lucas, but use what you feel is best for your motor home.

I have seen failures in both dino and syn, and it just does not matter what oil you use, if it is going to fail, it will. it's just like a doctor, i have customers tell me they just had an operation, and the doctor that did it is the best doctor in the world, yea, cuz your still alive, but you die, what a bunch of crap he turns out to be, so in my opinion, use a good grade oil and you should be fine.

Nasa also did an oil test beck in , oh heck,i cannot remember which year it was, maybe 4 years ago, and they tested 15 oil companies with different oil w. only to find out, after 100,000 and a few tear downs on the nyc taxi cabs they tested, they just could not find any differance between the oils, yes both dino and syn oils.

Well that enough for the motor oil from me, i got many, many running Dello and rotella t, and no problems so go figure!!!

once again and as always, thanks for your time


Miguel

1978 Royale Pain in the %$@, side bath w/ a 403 that i love.

GMC name : The other woman


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Re: Is Mobil 1 the best oil for the GMC? [message #49808 is a reply to message #49622] Sat, 18 July 2009 14:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If you run Mobil 1, run the Mobil 1 blends with ACEA A3 ratings. You will find that spec on the bottle. The A3 rating is the most stringent test in the world on cam and lifter wear. The High Mileage and some of the other blends are ACEA A3 rated. But many Mobil Ones are not.

I don't run Mobil 1 however. I use SynTech 20 50W diesel CI oil and change it out ever 2K miles or every trip. It's cheap so I change it very frequently.

Phil
Re: Is Mobil 1 the best oil for the GMC? [message #49828 is a reply to message #49808] Sat, 18 July 2009 16:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Amsoil now has oil specifically labeled as high zinc.
says so right on the bottle.

They also state how much zinc is in the oil.

I know what I'm going to run in the GMC


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Re: [GMCnet] Is Mobil 1 the best oil for the GMC? [message #60902 is a reply to message #49113] Wed, 21 October 2009 01:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I wouldn't know a good deal if it hit me in the, eh, head, but I just bought 2 five quart jugs of 15 - 50 Mobil 1 at Walmart for $22.00 each.

$4.40 / quart seems cheap to me, but then it's been a long time since I've bought oil. Ya know - it's time I start changing my own oil instead of going to the oil pit and shelling out $50.00 for a simple task.

Wow! This GMC Motorhome is starting to save me money. I wonder how soon before I'll be cash positive! I may do an infomercial on TV - How to save money and buy a GMC Motorhome!

Reminds me of that terrible Tom Vu - "You can make a fortune in real estate!" infomercial with a half-dozen buxom ladies draped around him on a big power boat. I'll be the new Tom Vu - but my luxury liner will be my very own Palm Beast.

"You can make a fortune in GMC's!"

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Re: Is Mobil 1 the best oil for the GMC? [message #60937 is a reply to message #49112] Wed, 21 October 2009 11:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Royal Purple is my poision. I run it in all my vehicles and will run it in the coach when the next change is due. I have actually sent RP off to the lab after 7k miles in a turbocharged engine and it still had a decent amount of additive left in the oil. RP can also give you a 7 to 10 more whp simply due to the fact that the oil has a lot of anti-friction modifiers and is so slick they dont recommend using it in an engine until there is at least 1,500 miles on it.

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Re: Is Mobil 1 the best oil for the GMC? [message #60941 is a reply to message #49112] Wed, 21 October 2009 11:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I dunno. I've been using Mobile 1 for years and one of my wheels fell off.

Bill Brown - '77 Buckeye Cruiser
Coshocton OH
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Re: [GMCnet] Is Mobil 1 the best oil for the GMC? [message #60943 is a reply to message #60941] Wed, 21 October 2009 11:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yea, but look at all of the years that they didn't fall off! :)

Before implying that the grease is at fault how long was it since you
had last serviced them? How did you determine the tightening of the
nut?
Did you use a dial indicator such as suggested on the Timkin site?



Emery Stora

On Oct 21, 2009, at 10:24 AM, Bill Brown <carguybill@sbcglobal.net>
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> I dunno. I've been using Mobile 1 for years and one of my wheels
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Re: [GMCnet] Is Mobil 1 the best oil for the GMC? [message #60966 is a reply to message #60943] Wed, 21 October 2009 13:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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seems to me that there was a GMCer who had bearings installed (not his
choice of bearings) and they were from Japan,and they went bad...

gene



On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Emery Stora <emerystora@mac.com> wrote:

> Yea, but look at all of the years that they didn't fall off! :)
>
> Before implying that the grease is at fault how long was it since you
> had last serviced them? How did you determine the tightening of the
> nut?
> Did you use a dial indicator such as suggested on the Timkin site?
>
>
>
> Emery Stora
>
> On Oct 21, 2009, at 10:24 AM, Bill Brown <carguybill@sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I dunno. I've been using Mobile 1 for years and one of my wheels
> > fell off.
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Re: [GMCnet] Is Mobil 1 the best oil for the GMC? [message #60967 is a reply to message #60966] Wed, 21 October 2009 13:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Mr ERFisher wrote on Wed, 21 October 2009 13:29

seems to me that there was a GMCer who had bearings installed (not his
choice of bearings) and they were from Japan,and they went bad...

gene




Arch has Japanese front bearings for around 20,000 miles. He ended up replacing them with Timken I believe.


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Re: [GMCnet] Is Mobil 1 the best oil for the GMC? [message #60982 is a reply to message #60941] Wed, 21 October 2009 15:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Bill Brown writes...

> I dunno. I've been using Mobile 1 for years and one of my wheels fell off.

Mobil1 oil, in the formulations for vintage vehicles (including the
15W50), seems to be as good as anything reasonably available. That's
what I use, but I have no conviction against others like Rotella T
synthetic, etc.

Mobil1 grease is another matter. I used it once, saw firsthand how it
didn't work under high pressure, and how it separates just sitting in
the tub. Now I use moly-fortified synthetic grease for everything.

On the subject of your wheel falling off, Bill, it makes me wonder if
there is a better keeper washer design that we could use. One that
would not mushroom and allow the hub to come off. I'm really glad you
didn't have body damage.

Rick "whose front hub did something similar but was held on by the
stub shaft and the brake caliper" Denney

'73 230 Ex-Glacier "Jaws"
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Re: [GMCnet] Is Mobil 1 the best oil for the GMC? [message #60993 is a reply to message #60982] Wed, 21 October 2009 16:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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G'day,

Ken Frey re-greased the rear wheel bearings on Double Trouble before I
picked it up last year and I'm still playing with the front end on The Blue
Streak so I haven't got any experience on the rear wheels yet.

I looked in the Parts Book and see that the washer has a tab on it to keep
it from rotating and the OD appears to be a bit wider than the width of the
inner race.

What if we had a run of washers made up that:

1) had an OD that was nearly as wide as the outer race
2) as thick as possible
3) hardened

Obviously it wouldn't solve the problem as it no matter how large, thick or
hard the washer was it would still get worn off if the bearing failed.
However, it might keep the wheel on long enough for you to tell that there
was something wrong down back!

Regards,
Rob Mueller
Sydney, Australia
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USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426


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On the subject of your wheel falling off, Bill, it makes me wonder if
there is a better keeper washer design that we could use. One that
would not mushroom and allow the hub to come off. I'm really glad you
didn't have body damage.

Rick "whose front hub did something similar but was held on by the
stub shaft and the brake caliper" Denney

'73 230 Ex-Glacier "Jaws"
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Regards, Rob M. (USAussie) The Pedantic Mechanic Sydney, Australia '75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428 '75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
Re: [GMCnet] Is Mobil 1 the best oil for the GMC? [message #61007 is a reply to message #60941] Wed, 21 October 2009 17:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Bill,

I don't really don't think the two were related. You see, I had hiccups
that day.

Ken H.

Bill Brown wrote:
> I dunno. I've been using Mobile 1 for years and one of my wheels fell off.
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Re: [GMCnet] Is Mobil 1 the best oil for the GMC? [message #61026 is a reply to message #60941] Wed, 21 October 2009 19:09 Go to previous message
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Bill,

I don't really don't think the two were related. You see, I had hiccups
that day.

Ken H.

Bill Brown wrote:
> I dunno. I've been using Mobile 1 for years and one of my wheels fell off.
>


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