Try rebuilding your Carburetor. Might put a lower temp thermostat, too. You
are having heat soak, but it won't effect a starter in good shape with
adequate cables. It does boil the fuel and flood the engine.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon

On Thu, Jan 2, 2020, 5:00 PM Larry via Gmclist
wrote:

> I've had troubles with "hot soak" starts. After a hot run in hot weather,
> and stopping for fuel, the restart has always been a grinder. Tried
> everything from parts house rebuilds to our local starter/motor rebuilder
> with no success. Even went as far as building a sheet metal shield between
> the exhaust manifold and the starter. It helped but didn't cure the issue.
> I finally bit the bullet and got a "high Torque" starter off of eBay..
> Starter with a high RPM, physically smaller starter with gear reduction.
> Have had no hot start issues. JWID
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> Larry
> 78 Royale w/500 Caddy
> Menomonie, WI.
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Well, that changes things a bit. Sounds like what you describe is very
accurate. Slow crank is a bit different than normal cranking speed, just
too long to fire up. That pins it down to starter related issues. Sounds
like you properly diagnosed and solved the problem in your case. Those
small high speed starter motors first came into my sights on high
compression mopars. Particularly 383/440 high deck motors. Takes some
"grunt" to spin those things. Hemi's too.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon

Yes, as did the generation 1 engines, the 331 and baby hemi, the De Soto
241. Drove one of those in a slingshot dragster for an owner that was a
great builder, had a big stack of money, but was not much on reaction time.
The 426 hemi 2nd gen, along with the wedge motor of the same displacement
used a reduction gearbox. They made a unique noise. Don't know what the
current crop of hemi's use. Come to think of it, the very early ones used 6
volts. They worked quite well when you applied 12 volts to them.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon

On Sat, Jan 4, 2020, 7:21 AM Johnny Bridges via Gmclist <
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> Jim did not the early 426 Hemi engines use a direct drive truck starter?
> Later this transitioned to the geared starter off the other RB engines.
>
> --johnny
> --
> Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
> Braselton, Ga.
> I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me
> in hell
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Early production engine, chrysler industrial engine. Thick wall casting.
Will stand a huge overbore. Made for Crusader, Mercury Marine, and lots of
industrial applications like water pumps and the like. Started out as a
"shared lube" engine. Engine and transmission shared the lube, as well as
the fluid clutch. Think "Fluid Drive" dodge and DeSoto in the 1950 -1952
era.
The shared lube idea went away very quickly as did the fluid clutch.
But, the overhanging bell housing remained. Don't know exactly when they
retooled and eliminated that feature. There are some guys that advertise in
Hot Rod magazine that feature early Hemi engines exclusively. They
specialize in 51 - 58 Chrysler, Dodge, and De Soto hemi's. Hot Heads
Research and Racing. Bob Walker is one of the guys. They are in Lowgap,
N.C.. google them at www.hothemiheads.com if you are interested in finding
out more than I know.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon

On Sat, Jan 4, 2020, 9:01 AM Charles Boyd via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:

> I have a Chrysler marine hemi engine with rear waterproof dual point dist,
> chrome valve covers, chrome 4tube headers and 4 Stromburg carbs inline with
> bellhousing cast on the block. Cubic inch and year unknown. It has a 24
> volt starter that uses a series parallel switch like the one on my 79
> Kenworth A model.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> James Hupy wrote on Sat, 04 January 2020 10:40
>> Yes, as did the generation 1 engines, the 331 and baby hemi, the De Soto
>> 241. Drove one of those in a slingshot dragster for an owner that was a
>> great builder, had a big stack of money, but was not much on reaction
> time.
>> The 426 hemi 2nd gen, along with the wedge motor of the same displacement
>> used a reduction gearbox. They made a unique noise. Don't know what the
>> current crop of hemi's use. Come to think of it, the very early ones
> used 6
>> volts. They worked quite well when you applied 12 volts to them.
>> Jim Hupy
>> Salem, Oregon
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 4, 2020, 7:21 AM Johnny Bridges via Gmclist > gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Jim did not the early 426 Hemi engines use a direct drive truck
> starter?
>>> Later this transitioned to the geared starter off the other RB
> engines.
>>>
>>> --johnny
>>> --
>>> Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
>>> Braselton, Ga.
>>> I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer
> to me
>>> in hell
>>>
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Well I got back to the coach today and the starter works as it should. It did not start out that way however. I had installed the starter and I was just checking the wiring to see what was happening with that. Still had the 6.2 on the "wrong" wire and 12 volts and change on the cable but nothing on the wire that should be firing up the starter. Bypassed the neutral safety switch and still nothing. Removed the start switch from the steering column and used my leatherman to move it and voila the starter engaged. I bent the metal rod that engages the switch a bit and repositioned the start switch on the steering column and all is well. Now the key acts as it should and returns when released. My next question is while I have the power steering pump dislodged should I take it out and have it gone through also. I would rather do this while I'm into it than have issues later. I'm taking the radiator out and taking it in to my radiator shop and having it done. Better now than later. Would I do better to start another thread about the power steering pump and do they get rebuilt or replaced.

Once again thank you for all the help with this. I have worked an a lot of machines and this one is truly unique.

Melbo