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Mon, 31 July 2017 13:43  |
James Hupy
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I am still working off of a can of "Never-Seez" that I bought many years
ago. Product # NS-40. Calls itself Anti-Seize and Lubricating compound. It
is a silver colored paste that literally gets on everything near by. I
drilled a hole in the lid and use a round acid brush to apply it. It has
always done a good job on exhaust manifold bolts for me. I have used the
copper colored compound you described as well. I can't tell much difference
in performance.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 GMC ROYALE 403
On Jul 31, 2017 11:28 AM, "Jon Roche" wrote:
I have never paid much attention and have bought anti sieze at the auto
part store, probably based on the first thing I grabbed, or price.
The latest project I am addressing, is my exhaust manifold leaks, and am
going the header route in hopes to only deal with this problem 1 last and
final time, so I went to buy some "high temp" anti-seize and seen way too
many choices on the shelf, so I thought I would ask the experts??
there is copper high temp anti-seize, there is nickle anti-seize, there is
aluminum anti-seize, white anti-seize, and even Marine Grade Anti-seize.
What would be best for the header bolts/studs?
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Jon Roche
75 palm beach
St. Cloud, MN
http://lqqkatjon.blogspot.com/
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| Re: [GMCnet] anti-sieze too many choices [message #321448 is a reply to message #321436] |
Mon, 31 July 2017 16:23  |
77Royale
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Now thats funny, The first house we bought 17 years ago came with a barn, Nope no barn find GMCs, but among other things was a can of Never Seez. It was probably 3/4 full. Yes it gets on everything, I resorted to an old tooth brush to apply it. I have used that same can over hundreds of jobs, and a dozen vehicles. Im down to my last 1/4. Good stuff and probably made with things that are now banned in most states. Ill be giving that can to my kids along with the GMC in 40 years..... That stuff has been a life saver in the rust belt.
77 Royale, Rear Dry Bath. 403, 3.55 Final Drive, Lenzi goodies, Patterson carb and dizzy.
Mid Michigan
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| Re: [GMCnet] anti-sieze too many choices [message #321467 is a reply to message #321448] |
Tue, 01 August 2017 03:44 |
midlf
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77Royale wrote on Mon, 31 July 2017 16:23Now thats funny, The first house we bought 17 years ago came with a barn, Nope no barn find GMCs, but among other things was a can of Never Seez. It was probably 3/4 full. Yes it gets on everything, I resorted to an old tooth brush to apply it. I have used that same can over hundreds of jobs, and a dozen vehicles. Im down to my last 1/4. Good stuff and probably made with things that are now banned in most states. Ill be giving that can to my kids along with the GMC in 40 years..... That stuff has been a life saver in the rust belt.
I have a small container of lead based anit-seize. Great stuff. I wish I could get more. I don't really know if it is better than the copper or nickel based products. It does satisfy my "if the EPA banned it, then it must be good stuff" mindset.
Steve Southworth
1974 Glacier TZE064V100150 (for workin on)
1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
Palmyra WI
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| Re: [GMCnet] anti-sieze too many choices [message #321468 is a reply to message #321467] |
Tue, 01 August 2017 06:20 |
Ken Burton
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I have both nickel and copper based (C5A) around here. One is rated for a higher temperature but I do not remember which one. So I use them interchangeably. It is whatever can or bottle I find first. I have had at least 2 cans of C5A and who knows how many cans of the nickel based stuff around for many years. I have never got to the bottom of any can. It has been so long that I do not even remember buying any of it.
Buy what ever color you like and it should work. The only time I would be worried about temperature rating would be on oxygen sensors. I have see a little over 1500F EGT on my airplane leaned out at altitude. A car will never get that hot so anything below 1500F on a car should do.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] anti-sieze too many choices [message #321470 is a reply to message #321467] |
Tue, 01 August 2017 07:03 |
powerjon
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The lead based Anti-Seize is use in industry as a sealing compound also. Its temp range can go as low a -350F in cryo service such as liquid N2 and only good to 600F to 700F which limits its automotive use. For higher temps the nickel based is good to 2200F and the copper based is 1800F.
Information and Data on the Lead Anti-Seize:
http://www.armitelabs.com/products/LP250_Anti-Seize_Thread.html
JR Wright
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GMCGL Tech Editor
GMCMI
78 GMC Buskirk 30’ Stretch
1975 GMC Avion (Under Reconstruction)
Michigan
> On Aug 1, 2017, at 4:44 AM, Steve Southworth wrote:
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> 77Royale wrote on Mon, 31 July 2017 16:23
>> Now thats funny, The first house we bought 17 years ago came with a barn, Nope no barn find GMCs, but among other things was a can of Never Seez.
>> It was probably 3/4 full. Yes it gets on everything, I resorted to an old tooth brush to apply it. I have used that same can over hundreds of
>> jobs, and a dozen vehicles. Im down to my last 1/4. Good stuff and probably made with things that are now banned in most states. Ill be giving
>> that can to my kids along with the GMC in 40 years..... That stuff has been a life saver in the rust belt.
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> I have a small container of lead based anit-seize. Great stuff. I wish I could get more. I don't really know if it is better than the copper or
> nickel based products. It does satisfy my "if the EPA banned it, then it must be good stuff" mindset.
> --
> Steve Southworth
> 1974 Glacier TZE064V100150 (for workin on)
> 1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
> Palmyra WI
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| Re: [GMCnet] anti-seize too many choices [message #321471 is a reply to message #321467] |
Tue, 01 August 2017 08:54 |
Kosier
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I have several cans of Never-Seize that I acquired years ago during my
working career. They will be among the many bargains at the
auction after this Pack Rat is gone. LOL
Gary Kosier
77PB w/500Cad
Newark, Ohio
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From: "Steve Southworth"
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] anti-sieze too many choices
> 77Royale wrote on Mon, 31 July 2017 16:23
>> Now thats funny, The first house we bought 17 years ago came with a
>> barn, Nope no barn find GMCs, but among other things was a can of Never
>> Seez.
>> It was probably 3/4 full. Yes it gets on everything, I resorted to an
>> old tooth brush to apply it. I have used that same can over hundreds of
>> jobs, and a dozen vehicles. Im down to my last 1/4. Good stuff and
>> probably made with things that are now banned in most states. Ill be
>> giving
>> that can to my kids along with the GMC in 40 years..... That stuff has
>> been a life saver in the rust belt.
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> I have a small container of lead based anit-seize. Great stuff. I wish I
> could get more. I don't really know if it is better than the copper or
> nickel based products. It does satisfy my "if the EPA banned it, then it
> must be good stuff" mindset.
> --
> Steve Southworth
> 1974 Glacier TZE064V100150 (for workin on)
> 1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
> Palmyra WI
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| Re: [GMCnet] anti-sieze too many choices [message #321475 is a reply to message #321470] |
Tue, 01 August 2017 10:53 |
Ken Burton
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Many years ago it was illegal to ship C5A to Canada. A friend had me bring 2 cans of it to Alberta for him. Why it was illegal or at least unavailable is a mystery to me.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] anti-sieze too many choices [message #321476 is a reply to message #321475] |
Tue, 01 August 2017 11:14 |
Rob
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Doesn't appear to be any issues sourcing it here now - but I've never used it. I see it in stock from several Canadian sources...
Rob
Victoria, BC
76 Royale - Rear Twins/Dry Bath
> On Aug 1, 2017, at 8:53 AM, Ken Burton wrote:
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> Many years ago it was illegal to ship C5A to Canada. A friend had me bring 2 cans of it to Alberta for him. Why it was illegal or at least
> unavailable is a mystery to me.
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> Ken Burton - N9KB
> 76 Palm Beach
> Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] anti-sieze too many choices [message #321478 is a reply to message #321476] |
Tue, 01 August 2017 11:34 |
James Hupy
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Funny, but Canada usually is a bit behind the curve when it comes to
banning "the good stuff". After the U.S. banned nitrocellulose lacquers due
to airborne solids and solvents, we could still source them as well as the
thinners from Canada. Not so much now, though. Only Synthetic lacquers and
"vari-temp reducers" available here now. No more "2 foot deep" candyapple
red lacquer paint jobs. But, that being said, those old lacquer paint jobs
only lasted a short while, crows foot checks, chips, clouds were part of
the deal. Now, the 3 stage stuff lasts 10 -15 years, doesn't fade or sun
chek. But, it don't look 2 feet deep.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 GMC ROYALE 403
On Aug 1, 2017 9:15 AM, "Rob" wrote:
> Doesn't appear to be any issues sourcing it here now - but I've never used
> it. I see it in stock from several Canadian sources...
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> Rob
> Victoria, BC
> 76 Royale - Rear Twins/Dry Bath
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>> On Aug 1, 2017, at 8:53 AM, Ken Burton wrote:
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>> Many years ago it was illegal to ship C5A to Canada. A friend had me
> bring 2 cans of it to Alberta for him. Why it was illegal or at least
>> unavailable is a mystery to me.
>> --
>> Ken Burton - N9KB
>> 76 Palm Beach
>> Hebron, Indiana
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