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Fri, 29 January 2016 21:32  |
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USAussie
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G'day,
I forgot about one BIG problem with sending a GMC from the USA to Europe - Electrical Power!
There is no way I want to bear the expense of replacing all the 110/115 vac appliances with 220/230 vac appliances. I'd like to just
install a BIG step down transformer.
I am close friends with a guy that makes transformers here in Sydney. He made a BIG one for my workshop so I could plug in my US
tools. It is designed to plug into a standard Australian Power Point which is 240 vac 50 hz 10 amps. It will handle a constant 18
amps @ 110/115 vac output with no problem.
I realize that motors will at lower rpm's due to the reduction in frequency from 60 hz to 50 hz AND that running them on reduced hz
will affect their life span.
I need to know what the amperage rating is at shore power plugs in European RV campgrounds.
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
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| Re: [GMCnet] Shore Power At Campsites in Europe [message #294699 is a reply to message #294696] |
Fri, 29 January 2016 22:05  |
Ken Henderson
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Rob,
It's been a long time since I studied or used one, but I suspect what you
really need is a variac or an autotransformer. They're variable or fixed
ratio single-winding devices. As such, they can provide up or down voltage
conversion with much less copper and iron than two-winding transformers --
but they do NOT provide input-output isolation. Seems to me that should
not be a problem, but I'd investigate European wiring standards before
following that assumption.
Amazon and eBay are full of both devices at surprisingly reasonable
prices. With little likelihood that you'll need A/C in Europe, I'd thing
3000 W would be enough, such as this offers:
http://www.amazon.com/3000-Watt-Voltage-Converter-Transformer/dp/B000AUKVWM
Ken H.
On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 10:32 PM, Robert Mueller
wrote:
> G'day,
>
> I forgot about one BIG problem with sending a GMC from the USA to Europe -
> Electrical Power!
>
> There is no way I want to bear the expense of replacing all the 110/115
> vac appliances with 220/230 vac appliances. I'd like to just
> install a BIG step down transformer.
>
> I am close friends with a guy that makes transformers here in Sydney. He
> made a BIG one for my workshop so I could plug in my US
> tools. It is designed to plug into a standard Australian Power Point which
> is 240 vac 50 hz 10 amps. It will handle a constant 18
> amps @ 110/115 vac output with no problem.
>
> I realize that motors will at lower rpm's due to the reduction in
> frequency from 60 hz to 50 hz AND that running them on reduced hz
> will affect their life span.
>
> I need to know what the amperage rating is at shore power plugs in
> European RV campgrounds.
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Shore Power At Campsites in Europe [message #294701 is a reply to message #294699] |
Fri, 29 January 2016 23:27 |
Ken Burton
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There is another approach that you can try. Get 120 or 120 / 240 volt 60 cycle UPS rated for the maximum amount that you plan to consume. Then power the thing with a battery charger or 240 volt 50 cycle RV type converter.
Another approach is a 240 volt 50 cycle converter and a 120 volt 60 cycle inverter sized for your needs.
Ken Burton - N9KB
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| Re: [GMCnet] Shore Power At Campsites in Europe [message #294703 is a reply to message #294696] |
Sat, 30 January 2016 00:25 |
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USAussie
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OOPS!
July and August!
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Mueller
Ken,
I'm going to disagree with you a bit; I checked and the temperatures in southern France, Spain, and Italy can get high enough to
need A/C in June and July.
I am familiar with Variacs we used them to regulate heat lamp output to cure 3M EC 2216 epoxy at the JSC.
The mate that built the transformer for my shop here in Sydney won't build non isolation transformers as he says they're not safe.
He's a school mate of JohnnyB; "they're built by the heathen Chinese!" ;-)
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
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From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Ken Henderson
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 3:06 PM
To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Shore Power At Campsites in Europe
Rob,
It's been a long time since I studied or used one, but I suspect what you
really need is a variac or an autotransformer. They're variable or fixed
ratio single-winding devices. As such, they can provide up or down voltage
conversion with much less copper and iron than two-winding transformers --
but they do NOT provide input-output isolation. Seems to me that should
not be a problem, but I'd investigate European wiring standards before
following that assumption.
Amazon and eBay are full of both devices at surprisingly reasonable
prices. With little likelihood that you'll need A/C in Europe, I'd thing
3000 W would be enough, such as this offers:
http://www.amazon.com/3000-Watt-Voltage-Converter-Transformer/dp/B000AUKVWM
Ken H.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Shore Power At Campsites in Europe [message #294704 is a reply to message #294699] |
Sat, 30 January 2016 00:20 |
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USAussie
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Ken,
I'm going to disagree with you a bit; I checked and the temperatures in southern France, Spain, and Italy can get high enough to
need A/C in June and July.
I am familiar with Variacs we used them to regulate heat lamp output to cure 3M EC 2216 epoxy at the JSC.
The mate that built the transformer for my shop here in Sydney won't build non isolation transformers as he says they're not safe.
He's a school mate of JohnnyB; "they're built by the heathen Chinese!" ;-)
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
-----Original Message-----
From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Ken Henderson
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 3:06 PM
To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Shore Power At Campsites in Europe
Rob,
It's been a long time since I studied or used one, but I suspect what you
really need is a variac or an autotransformer. They're variable or fixed
ratio single-winding devices. As such, they can provide up or down voltage
conversion with much less copper and iron than two-winding transformers --
but they do NOT provide input-output isolation. Seems to me that should
not be a problem, but I'd investigate European wiring standards before
following that assumption.
Amazon and eBay are full of both devices at surprisingly reasonable
prices. With little likelihood that you'll need A/C in Europe, I'd thing
3000 W would be enough, such as this offers:
http://www.amazon.com/3000-Watt-Voltage-Converter-Transformer/dp/B000AUKVWM
Ken H.
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'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] Shore Power At Campsites in Europe [message #294705 is a reply to message #294704] |
Sat, 30 January 2016 02:05 |
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Yes that is a problem. Where I am now there is 16A at 230V. Most places there will only be 6A or maybe 10A. You cannot run the generator on the campsite.
Most places you pay per day, that is good if you have enough A to run the ac.
i get along. quite well with 3 magic fans
There is a german forum that deals with usa rv's in europe. In german only. http://motorhome-europe.de/forum/
Just one other thing. Iff you want to register the coach in europa it is good if the coach is as original as possible, as that is a requirement for oldtimer registration
Appie
eleganza 76 "Olga" now sadly sold
6 wheel discbrake
Quadrabags
Springfield stage 2 462 olds
Manny tranny
( pictures at http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6489-olga.html
Fulltiming in Europe july 2014 til july 2016
Denmark
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| Re: [GMCnet] Shore Power At Campsites in Europe [message #294709 is a reply to message #294707] |
Sat, 30 January 2016 07:29 |
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USAussie
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Peer,
I was aware of the prices for appliances in Europe as they sell the same ones Downunder because we're 240 VAC / 50 Hz.
The roof A/C's (two 13,500 BTU Dometic units) are three years old, the fridge is older but works perfectly.
The roof A/C you've listed is only 7500 BTU and it is highly unlikely that it would keep a GMC cool down in southern Spain or
Portugal during the summer months.
The fridge is also a smaller model than what is in Double Trouble.
Then there's the microwave, convertor, inverter, coffee machine, crock pot, small toaster oven, sandwich press, electric toothbrush,
and other odds and sods.
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
-----Original Message-----
From: Peer Oliver Schmidt
I wonder if the expense for the A/C and fridge replacement is that big.
It might be, if you've already installed new of both in it in the US. If
the 110V A/C and fridge are 40 y/o, installing new 220V equipment might
not be that big of a deal.
Just checked prices. oops.
2kEUR for the A/C http://www.dometic.de/product/dometic-freshjet-2200/
1kEUR for a fridge http://www.dometic.de/product/dometic-rm-8400/
I might withdraw my idea...
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Peer Oliver Schmidt
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| Re: [GMCnet] Shore Power At Campsites in Europe [message #294710 is a reply to message #294705] |
Sat, 30 January 2016 07:49 |
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USAussie
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Appie,
Thanks!
For the record the idea of shipping Double Trouble to Europe is, at the moment, only an idea that I (with everybody's help) am
brainstorming.
The issues to be solved are:
1) Registration - MUST be done in such a way so that is 100% legal and I can obtain insurance that will cover me 100% and places NO
ONE other than myself at risk if I get into an accident
2) Storage - would like Double Trouble to be stored under cover and in a place far enough south so that it is not exposed to hard
freezes
3) Driving license - hopefully an Australian light truck license when combined with an International Driving License will allow me
to drive Double Trouble anywhere in Europe legally
If I can solve the issues above I will have my mate build me an isolation transformer that will handle up to a 15 amp input at 230
vac.
Thanks for the link to the website; my German is good enough to read it.
Double Trouble is more original than Olga.
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
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From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of lenze middelberg
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 7:05 PM
To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Shore Power At Campsites in Europe
Yes that is a problem. Where I am now there is 16A at 230V. Most places there will only be 6A or maybe 10A. You cannot run the
generator on the campsite.
Most places you pay per day, that is good if you have enough A to run the ac.
i get along. quite well with 3 magic fans
There is a german forum that deals with usa rv's in europe. In german only. http://motorhome-europe.de/forum/
Just one other thing. Iff you want to register the coach in europa it is good if the coach is as original as possible, as that is a
requirement for oldtimer registration
Appie
eleganza 76 "Olga"
6 wheel discbrake
Quadrabags
Springfield stage 2 462 olds
Manny tranny
( pictures at http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6489-olga.html
Fulltiming in Europe since july 1 2014
Denmark
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| Re: [GMCnet] Shore Power At Campsites in Europe [message #294711 is a reply to message #294709] |
Sat, 30 January 2016 07:52 |
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You will have ahard time to run all that on a 10 A 230V. 2300 W. Connection
Iff you have a large batteripack you could use some batteripower and recharge during the night. Still not easy
Other thing to mind is that a macerator is a must. European campers use small toilet cassets that have to be emtied everyday or 2. Becourse they are carried by hand most dumping are not accesable with the 3" hose
I use a maserator and a 5 meter 1" hose, that work nearly every where
There are no individual water or dumping connection, but a central point where everybody has to go to
Appie
eleganza 76 "Olga" now sadly sold
6 wheel discbrake
Quadrabags
Springfield stage 2 462 olds
Manny tranny
( pictures at http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6489-olga.html
Fulltiming in Europe july 2014 til july 2016
Denmark
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| Re: [GMCnet] Shore Power At Campsites in Europe [message #294712 is a reply to message #294710] |
Sat, 30 January 2016 07:59 |
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Well Rob that should solve it
1 you seem to have a solutiion in Germany. Either your famili or the organisation. You would probably have a insurence excess of about 1000 euro
2 no problem. That would be from Southern France and down except mountain regions
3. That would be legal
Appie
eleganza 76 "Olga" now sadly sold
6 wheel discbrake
Quadrabags
Springfield stage 2 462 olds
Manny tranny
( pictures at http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6489-olga.html
Fulltiming in Europe july 2014 til july 2016
Denmark
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| Re: [GMCnet] Shore Power At Campsites in Europe [message #294715 is a reply to message #294709] |
Sat, 30 January 2016 08:01 |
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Rob,
> The roof A/C you've listed is only 7500 BTU and it is highly unlikely that it would keep a GMC cool down in southern Spain or Portugal during the summer months.
Maybe not US citizen cool enough, but perfectly cool enough to not be a
burden :*)
> The fridge is also a smaller model than what is in Double Trouble.
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> Then there's the microwave, convertor, inverter, coffee machine, crock pot, small toaster oven, sandwich press, electric toothbrush,
> and other odds and sods.
I didn't know that you had so much stuff at 110V already. Does make
sense to have a large converter from 110 to 230V - and adding a 110V
online UPS behind it might make sense as well, as it would give you the
60Hz. No idea how usable the UPS are for things like the A/C.
--
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Peer Oliver Schmidt
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| Re: [GMCnet] Shore Power At Campsites in Europe [message #294716 is a reply to message #294704] |
Sat, 30 January 2016 08:01 |
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Hmmm...I guess the global warming since I was in Italy in '54 and Spain in
'55 has heated things up. :-) Or maybe, just maybe, we've all become just
a little spoiled during that time.
I think I'd do like I do here -- stay "up North" in the summer and "down
South" in winter. But then, your definition of "down South" varies a
little from mine.
Oh yeah: Seems to me an autotransformer can be no more dangerous than the
supply it's connected to, aside from increased voltage, which is the same
in any case. BWDIK?
Ken H.
On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 1:20 AM, Robert Mueller
wrote:
> Ken,
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> I'm going to disagree with you a bit; I checked and the temperatures in
> southern France, Spain, and Italy can get high enough to
> need A/C in June and July.
> ...
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Appie,
Converting 10 amps at 230 volts will provide 20 amps at 115 volts. According to the specs the 13,500 BTU Dometic Brisk Air units
draw 14 amps; however, the specs don't specify the compressor start up draw.
You have highlighted that I need to install an amp meter that monitors the total amp draw at the shore power connection point so
that I can manage what combination of appliances I use. I suspect that I will have to turn off the roof air when I want to run
anything else.
Actually the main time I would want to use the roof A/C is at night if it's hot.
Double Trouble has a macerator and a 5 metre long output hose as well.
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
-----Original Message-----
From: lenze middelberg
You will have ahard time to run all that on a 10 A 230V. 2300 W. Connection If you have a large batteripack you could use some
batteripower and recharge during the night. Still not easy
Other thing to mind is that a macerator is a must. European campers use small toilet cassets that have to be emtied everyday or 2.
Becourse they are carried by hand most dumping are not accesable with the 3" hose I use a maserator and a 5 meter 1" hose, that work
nearly every where
There are no individual water or dumping connection, but a central point where everybody has to go to
--
Appie
eleganza 76 "Olga"
6 wheel discbrake
Quadrabags
Springfield stage 2 462 olds
Manny tranny
( pictures at http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6489-olga.html
Fulltiming in Europe since july 1 2014
Denmark
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| Re: [GMCnet] Shore Power At Campsites in Europe [message #294720 is a reply to message #294718] |
Sat, 30 January 2016 08:44 |
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Rob:
I tend to agree with Ken Burton.
I’ve installed Eaton Powerware and Liebert online UPS’ in data centers. On more than occasion, we had to run the unit off the 240V line, but the equipment required 110V
These units are basically a power supply, 96 volts of batteries and a pure sine wave inverter. They are designed to keep the gear up long enough for the generator to start, stabilize and cut over. The inverter is on 100 percent of the time.
I have two 2KVA Lieberts in my home to protect the home theater and the network. They came out of service in NYC’s financial district and you can find them for $300 to $500 used or refurbished (refurbished means they have a new load of “heathen Chinese” cheapie batteries in place (usually 8- 7A/12 volt SLA batteries).
I think 3kVA should run one AC and about everything else, if you have the shore power to make it a long term proposition.
This is what I was going to do for my coach, until a Xantrex unit appeared in the parts coach (and WORKED).
Of course, in rummaging around old Powerware manuals, i found this:
PW9125-PPDM-6K
Which is a 6 kVA transformer in a box with fans. 100% duty cycle step down transformer.
http://lit.powerware.com/ll_download.asp?file=Schematic%20PPDM%20L6%2030.pdf
Those should be bouncing around at some data center surplus dealers for a couple of hundred bucks.
I guess I’m not a fan of huge transformers in this day of switching power supplies that fairly handily fit in the plug.
That’s my .02
My boat guy (a civil engineer who did alternating gigs between Alaska and Hawaii and took a few weeks to sail his home from one to another) thinks Xantrex may have a box for marine applications that will do what you need as well.
Just say’in…..
Dolph
DE N8JPC /AE
Wheeling, West Virginia
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| Re: [GMCnet] Shore Power At Campsites in Europe [message #294722 is a reply to message #294696] |
Sat, 30 January 2016 09:02 |
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Do the pedistals at Euro camps use the same connectors as indigenous to the country (IE the Brit 13A 240v or the round Schuco type found in much of Europe) or do they use camp specifc connectors like our TT-30 for Travel Trailer only use? Once you know what the largest breakered supply is you can get a tapped transformer that exceeds that primary rating. These are common in Europe in the concert industry to step down power for US band stage gear that is brought over and provide many 120V Edison drops on stage. The multiple taps provide wiggle room (maybe 5V increments) to get as close to 120V or even slightly over to allow for sag, (Like Onan set to 125 to get a good 120V) in different countries. I guessing the "pig" as they are called would be roughly a 1' cube size and a 2 man'er. Would probably want to mount above rear wheels but retain access to move the taps. You should be able to find used or surplus units.
John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
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Sat, 30 January 2016 10:21 |
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Well it is quite a mess. Independet of Ampeerage offered there are ( at leeast) 4 different, local plugs and the modern european eec plugg
Thus Idrive around with a lot of differnet gear so I always can make a connectiob.
Same for lpg a whole bag of different connectors to fit gasstations in differnt countries
Appie
eleganza 76 "Olga" now sadly sold
6 wheel discbrake
Quadrabags
Springfield stage 2 462 olds
Manny tranny
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Fulltiming in Europe july 2014 til july 2016
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Sat, 30 January 2016 10:30 |
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Don't you just love standards. So many to choose from.
Dolph Santorine
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Wheeling, West Virginia
1977 ex-Palm Beach TZE167V100820
1-ton, Sullybuilt Bags, Reaction Arms, 3.70 LSD, Manny Transmission, EV-6010,
> On Jan 30, 2016, at 11:21 AM, lenze middelberg wrote:
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> Well it is quite a mess. Independet of Ampeerage offered there are ( at leeast) 4 different, local plugs and the modern european eec plugg
> Thus Idrive around with a lot of differnet gear so I always can make a connectiob.
>
> Same for lpg a whole bag of different connectors to fit gasstations in differnt countries
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| Re: [GMCnet] Shore Power At Campsites in Europe [message #294732 is a reply to message #294720] |
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USAussie
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Ken / Dolph,
I understand how a transformer will work to step down the voltage, however, I don't understand how a UPS will work to accomplish the
same.
I did some homework and read some info and watched this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5RKBWhEUAU but I still don't
understand how a UPS would step down the voltage.
I did find this PW9125-PPDM-6K on eBay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Eaton-Powerware-PW9125-PPDM-6000VA-PowerPass-Distribution-Module-NEW-BATTERIES-/161386417748
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
-----Original Message-----
From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Dolph Santorine
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 1:45 AM
To: GMC List
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Shore Power At Campsites in Europe
Rob:
I tend to agree with Ken Burton.
I've installed Eaton Powerware and Liebert online UPS' in data centers. On more than occasion, we had to run the unit off the 240V
line, but the equipment required 110V
These units are basically a power supply, 96 volts of batteries and a pure sine wave inverter. They are designed to keep the gear up
long enough for the generator to start, stabilize and cut over. The inverter is on 100 percent of the time.
I have two 2KVA Lieberts in my home to protect the home theater and the network. They came out of service in NYC's financial
district and you can find them for $300 to $500 used or refurbished (refurbished means they have a new load of "heathen Chinese"
cheapie batteries in place (usually 8- 7A/12 volt SLA batteries).
I think 3kVA should run one AC and about everything else, if you have the shore power to make it a long term proposition.
This is what I was going to do for my coach, until a Xantrex unit appeared in the parts coach (and WORKED).
Of course, in rummaging around old Powerware manuals, i found this:
PW9125-PPDM-6K
Which is a 6 kVA transformer in a box with fans. 100% duty cycle step down transformer.
http://lit.powerware.com/ll_download.asp?file=Schematic%20PPDM%20L6%2030.pdf
Those should be bouncing around at some data center surplus dealers for a couple of hundred bucks.
I guess I'm not a fan of huge transformers in this day of switching power supplies that fairly handily fit in the plug.
That's my .02
My boat guy (a civil engineer who did alternating gigs between Alaska and Hawaii and took a few weeks to sail his home from one to
another) thinks Xantrex may have a box for marine applications that will do what you need as well.
Just say'in...
Dolph
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