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Richard Andis
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A little introduction first,..
Retired US Navy(Submarines) followed by 18 years working in the Judicial field. Now semi-retired and preparing to move back to Texas in order to take care of my elderly parents.
I have begun the search for my little piece of Valhalla in the form of a GMC Motorhome. I'm not in too much of a hurry so I'm taking my time doing a lot of research on the subject. I think I've managed to bookmark and review every website dealing with the GMC Motorhome.
I'm not too unfamiliar dealing with so called "vintage vehicles". I own and maintain a 1974 VW Thing [Codename: Walküre (The Valkyrie)]. Surprisingly, I don't feel a need to be such a "stock Nazi" with the motorhome as I do with my VW Thing. I'm not a big fan of orange or green shag carpet. I don't mind "upgrades" or modernization as long as it doesn't deviate from the original flavor of the vehicle.
I enjoy the almost cultish community associated with having a unique vehicle.
I come across a 26 foot 1973 Painted Desert sitting in front of a truck repair garage. It's been sitting there for a couple of years now. I stopped and asked the shop owner about it and he explained that it belongs to a customer that has since moved to Arizona and that the owner may wish to sell at about $7500. Nevertheless, the shop owner wants it off his lot pretty soon.
I've just done a precursory looksee and it appears to be pretty much complete. 6K Onan (condition unknown) still sitting in the bay. Awning gone. Two rooftop ACs (condition unknown). The body needs a good cleaning and moss removal.  I haven't crawled underneath to check out the frame yet. Looks to have the original (leaking) airbag setup. Shop owner stated that some engine work was done and both fuel tanks removed and cleaned. Crack on the front apron and grill just below the passenger engine access lid.
The only major body issue I see is the exterior seam above the cab. Currently looks to have several tubes of silicon holding it together. What's involved in repairing this seam? Is this issue a deal breaker?
I'm looking forward to exchanging information and recommendations with you GMCer Vets. Thanks in advance.
R. Andis
Poulsbo, WA
Valhalla - 1978 GMC Royale rear twin [SOLD]
Walküre - 1974 VW Thing (Toad)
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| Re: [GMCnet] Let the quest begin [message #196304 is a reply to message #196301] |
Wed, 23 January 2013 13:11  |
Gary Worobec
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Hi Richard,
There are some screamin' deals out there on GMC's right now. You'll get lots
of input from this group. Don;t hesitate to ask if someone might take a look
at one for you if it is in their neighborhood. Several in Phoenix and in
SoCal. There are lots of guys in your neck of the woods that can offer
advice. If you are not in a hurry check out some of the local GMC clubs and
rallies and talk to some folks. Clubs in your area are
GMC Western States http://gmcws.org
GMC Cascaders http://www.gmc-cascaders.com/
Cascaders are having a rally on Feb 14 in Westport, WA. You might want go to
that one as a guest. Just give them a call.
Good luck
Thanks
Gary and Joanne Worobec
1973 GMC Glacier
Anza, CA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Andis" <andisnw@comcast.net>
To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 10:58 AM
Subject: [GMCnet] Let the quest begin
A little introduction first,..
Retired US Navy(Submarines) followed by 18 years working in the Judicial
field. Now semi-retired and preparing to move back to Texas in order to take
care of my elderly parents.
I have begun the search for my little piece of Valhalla in the form of a GMC
Motorhome. I'm not in too much of a hurry so I'm taking my time doing a lot
of research on the subject. I think I've managed to bookmark and review
every website dealing with the GMC Motorhome.
I'm not too unfamiliar dealing with so called "vintage vehicles". I own and
maintain a 1974 VW Thing [Codename: Walküre (The Valkyrie)]. Surprisingly, I
don't feel a need to be such a "stock Nazi" with the motorhome as I do with
my VW Thing. I'm not a big fan of orange or green shag carpet. I don't mind
"upgrades" or modernization as long as it doesn't deviate from the original
flavor of the vehicle.
I enjoy the almost cultish community associated with having a unique
vehicle.
I come across a 26 foot 1973 Painted Desert sitting in front of a truck
repair garage. It's been sitting there for a couple of years now. I stopped
and asked the shop owner about it and he explained that it belongs to a
customer that has since moved to Arizona and that the owner may wish to sell
at about $7500. Nevertheless, the shop owner wants it off his lot pretty
soon.
I've just done a precursory looksee and it appears to be pretty much
complete. 6K Onan (condition unknown) still sitting in the bay. Awning gone.
Two rooftop ACs (condition unknown). The body needs a good cleaning and moss
removal. 8o I haven't crawled underneath to check out the frame yet. Looks
to have the original (leaking) airbag setup. Shop owner stated that some
engine work was done and both fuel tanks removed and cleaned. Crack on the
front apron and grill just below the passenger engine access lid.
The only major body issue I see is the exterior seam above the cab.
Currently looks to have several tubes of silicon holding it together. What's
involve in repairing this seam? Is this issue a deal breaker?
I'm looking forward to exchanging information and recommendations with you
GMCer Vets. Thanks in advance.
R. Andis
Poulsbo, WA
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| Re: [GMCnet] Let the quest begin [message #196311 is a reply to message #196301] |
Wed, 23 January 2013 14:21 |
Steven Ferguson
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Richard,
I, personally, would pass. Too many other grand theft deals out there and
they run. You can spend your retirement chasing leaks on one of these.
Long periods of sitting really means long periods of financial
expenditures. Pay for upgrades and work someone else has completed.
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Richard Andis <andisnw@comcast.net> wrote:
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> A little introduction first,..
>
> Retired US Navy(Submarines) followed by 18 years working in the Judicial
> field. Now semi-retired and preparing to move back to Texas in order to
> take care of my elderly parents.
>
> I have begun the search for my little piece of Valhalla in the form of a
> GMC Motorhome. I'm not in too much of a hurry so I'm taking my time doing a
> lot of research on the subject. I think I've managed to bookmark and review
> every website dealing with the GMC Motorhome.
>
> I'm not too unfamiliar dealing with so called "vintage vehicles". I own
> and maintain a 1974 VW Thing [Codename: Walküre (The Valkyrie)].
> Surprisingly, I don't feel a need to be such a "stock Nazi" with the
> motorhome as I do with my VW Thing. I'm not a big fan of orange or green
> shag carpet. I don't mind "upgrades" or modernization as long as it doesn't
> deviate from the original flavor of the vehicle.
>
> I enjoy the almost cultish community associated with having a unique
> vehicle.
>
> I come across a 26 foot 1973 Painted Desert sitting in front of a truck
> repair garage. It's been sitting there for a couple of years now. I stopped
> and asked the shop owner about it and he explained that it belongs to a
> customer that has since moved to Arizona and that the owner may wish to
> sell at about $7500. Nevertheless, the shop owner wants it off his lot
> pretty soon.
>
> I've just done a precursory looksee and it appears to be pretty much
> complete. 6K Onan (condition unknown) still sitting in the bay. Awning
> gone. Two rooftop ACs (condition unknown). The body needs a good cleaning
> and moss removal. 8o I haven't crawled underneath to check out the frame
> yet. Looks to have the original (leaking) airbag setup. Shop owner stated
> that some engine work was done and both fuel tanks removed and cleaned.
> Crack on the front apron and grill just below the passenger engine access
> lid.
>
> The only major body issue I see is the exterior seam above the cab.
> Currently looks to have several tubes of silicon holding it together.
> What's involve in repairing this seam? Is this issue a deal breaker?
>
> I'm looking forward to exchanging information and recommendations with you
> GMCer Vets. Thanks in advance.
>
> R. Andis
> Poulsbo, WA
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> Official GMC Motorhome Lurker and Coveter
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| Re: Let the quest begin [message #196313 is a reply to message #196301] |
Wed, 23 January 2013 15:20 |
kerry pinkerton
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Welcome to the cult Richard.
I too would pass on one that has been sitting for that price. You can do better on one without all the unknowns of that one. Sitting is one of the worst things on these old girls. Also the 73's have some 'features' that were addressed in later models.
There is a Royale near you:
http://portland.craigslist.org/yam/rvs/3551322440.html
That looks very promising. The Royales are among the most desirable models. I'd be looking at that really hard if it wasn't on the other side of the country for me. Even though I already have a 77 Eleganza that runs great. We really like the twin beds and dry bath in the Royales and others.
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
Had 5 over the years. Currently have a '06 Fleetwood Discovery 39L
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| Re: Let the quest begin [message #196316 is a reply to message #196301] |
Wed, 23 January 2013 16:12 |
zhagrieb
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Semper Dad,
I wouldn't pay that kind of money for a tired '73. Think $2000 tops with much more to follow. Keep looking. That's a nice looking 23' in Northern Oregon.
There were many improvements over the 5 years these things were in production.
If the roof leak you mention in the '73 is the seam between the front roof cap and the rest of the roof, this joint was glued and riveted (the belt and suspenders method). Sealing it would involve removing the rivets in order to open and reseal the joint.
Glenn
Glenn Giere, Portland OR, K7GAG
'73 "Moby the Motorhome" 26'
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| Re: [GMCnet] Let the quest begin [message #196324 is a reply to message #196315] |
Wed, 23 January 2013 16:42 |
James Hupy
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403 is down on torque at low rpm compared to a 455. But, when the rpm comes
up, they will run with them. Mileage will be slightly better on a 403,
somewhere around 8 -10 mpg on carb. A couple better with fuel injection and
spark control. I have a 403 in my 78 Royale with 3:70 final drive. It will
cruise all day at 65-70 around 3200 rpm. It has over 100,000 miles. Only
engine mod is thorley headers.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 Gmc Royale 403
On Jan 23, 2013 2:29 PM, "Richard Andis" <andisnw@comcast.net> wrote:
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> Kerry Pinkerton wrote on Wed, 23 January 2013 15:20
> > There is a Royale near you:
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> > http://portland.craigslist.org/yam/rvs/3551322440.html
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> I saw that one. Only issue there I'd like to stick with a 455. Not a deal
> breaker though. I do plan on pulling my VW Thing (about 2K#).
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> Is the really a significant difference in performance, torque, or MPG
> between the 404 and 455?
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| Re: [GMCnet] Let the quest begin [message #196326 is a reply to message #196324] |
Wed, 23 January 2013 16:56 |
tphipps
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Portland coach is a 23 footer. Some love them and others are grateful for the extra room of a 26 footer. I like my 26 footer. Royales are very pretty. I personally like twin beds. As I age, I do not like crawling over my bed partner when mother nature calls in the night.
I have a rough Avion and I like it fine.
Tom, MS II
2012 Phoenix Cruiser model 2552
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| Re: [GMCnet] Let the quest begin [message #196328 is a reply to message #196326] |
Wed, 23 January 2013 17:11 |
kerry pinkerton
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| tphipps wrote on Wed, 23 January 2013 16:56 |
Portland coach is a 23 footer. Some love them and others are grateful for the extra room of a 26 footer. I like my 26 footer. Royales are very pretty. I personally like twin beds. As I age, I do not like crawling over my bed partner when mother nature calls in the night....
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Tom, I know it says 23' but it sure looks like a 26 footer to me and did Coachman even make a 23' Royale????
Richard, I have a 403 and no complaints. I just finished 1600 miles pulling a 93 Saturn. It ran as fast as I wanted to go and got 10.2mpg with the towd. Several guys pull VW Things.
The 78 is going to have all the GMC enhancements such as the final (and best) version of the air suspension etc. I wouldn't be afraid of it at all.
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
Had 5 over the years. Currently have a '06 Fleetwood Discovery 39L
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| Re: Let the quest begin [message #196334 is a reply to message #196301] |
Wed, 23 January 2013 17:35 |
kerry pinkerton
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I'm about 6 months ahead of you in the cult. In hindsight, I wish I had looked longer for the interior I wanted. There are plenty out there and even if you do a gut, moving major components can get spendy in a hurry. I'm looking at trying to convert my fixed rear full size into twins and that requires major, major work. It would have made much more sense to have waited for a Royale, Avion, Edgemont etc. A lot of folks get a bug and spend a lot of money upgrading the mechanics then loose interest and sell for much less than the upgrades cost.
My wife didn't want a fixer upper but now has a different opinion.
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
Had 5 over the years. Currently have a '06 Fleetwood Discovery 39L
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| Re: [GMCnet] Let the quest begin [message #196338 is a reply to message #196328] |
Wed, 23 January 2013 17:45 |
C Boyd
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Sir: the 23' Coachman was called a Birchaven.
http://www.bdub.net/publications/1978_GMC_by_Coachman/1978_GMC_Coachman.htm
| Kerry Pinkerton wrote on Wed, 23 January 2013 18:11 |
| tphipps wrote on Wed, 23 January 2013 16:56 |
Portland coach is a 23 footer. Some love them and others are grateful for the extra room of a 26 footer. I like my 26 footer. Royales are very pretty. I personally like twin beds. As I age, I do not like crawling over my bed partner when mother nature calls in the night....
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Tom, I know it says 23' but it sure looks like a 26 footer to me and did Coachman even make a 23' Royale????
Richard, I have a 403 and no complaints. I just finished 1600 miles pulling a 93 Saturn. It ran as fast as I wanted to go and got 10.2mpg with the towd. Several guys pull VW Things.
The 78 is going to have all the GMC enhancements such as the final (and best) version of the air suspension etc. I wouldn't be afraid of it at all.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Let the quest begin [message #196341 is a reply to message #196338] |
Wed, 23 January 2013 17:54 |
Bruce Hart
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There are three GMC's on Craigs List in Denver Co. area, one has a diesel
engine.
http://denver.craigslist.org/rvs/3555237526.html (has a four speed
transmission, I'd like to see that) Kingsley
http://denver.craigslist.org/search/rva?srchType=A&zoomToPosting=&query=gmc&minAsk=&maxAsk=
(diesel)
http://cosprings.craigslist.org/rvs/3562721120.html Glenbrook
Richard, you should also be aware that most of the GMC Clubs have members
that want to sell their coaches but haven't advertised them or want to
spend the money to advertise.
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 4:45 PM, Charles Boyd <covered-wagon@comcast.net>wrote:
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> Sir: the 23' Coachman was called a Birchaven.
> http://www.bdub.net/publications/1978_GMC_by_Coachman/1978_GMC_Coachman.htm
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> Kerry Pinkerton wrote on Wed, 23 January 2013 18:11
> > tphipps wrote on Wed, 23 January 2013 16:56
> > > Portland coach is a 23 footer. Some love them and others are grateful
> for the extra room of a 26 footer. I like my 26 footer. Royales are very
> pretty. I personally like twin beds. As I age, I do not like crawling
> over my bed partner when mother nature calls in the night....
> >
> >
> > Tom, I know it says 23' but it sure looks like a 26 footer to me and did
> Coachman even make a 23' Royale????
> >
> > Richard, I have a 403 and no complaints. I just finished 1600 miles
> pulling a 93 Saturn. It ran as fast as I wanted to go and got 10.2mpg with
> the towd. Several guys pull VW Things.
> >
> > The 78 is going to have all the GMC enhancements such as the final (and
> best) version of the air suspension etc. I wouldn't be afraid of it at all.
>
>
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> 76 Crestmont
> East Tennessee
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| Re: [GMCnet] Let the quest begin [message #196342 is a reply to message #196341] |
Wed, 23 January 2013 17:57 |
Bruce Hart
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Here is the link for the diesel.
http://denver.craigslist.org/rvs/3520080548.html
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 4:54 PM, Bruce Hart <hartsgmc@gmail.com> wrote:
> There are three GMC's on Craigs List in Denver Co. area, one has a diesel
> engine.
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> http://denver.craigslist.org/rvs/3555237526.html (has a four speed
> transmission, I'd like to see that) Kingsley
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> http://denver.craigslist.org/search/rva?srchType=A&zoomToPosting=&query=gmc&minAsk=&maxAsk=
> (diesel)
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> http://cosprings.craigslist.org/rvs/3562721120.html Glenbrook
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> Richard, you should also be aware that most of the GMC Clubs have members
> that want to sell their coaches but haven't advertised them or want to
> spend the money to advertise.
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> On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 4:45 PM, Charles Boyd <covered-wagon@comcast.net>wrote:
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>> Sir: the 23' Coachman was called a Birchaven.
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>> http://www.bdub.net/publications/1978_GMC_by_Coachman/1978_GMC_Coachman.htm
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>> Kerry Pinkerton wrote on Wed, 23 January 2013 18:11
>> > tphipps wrote on Wed, 23 January 2013 16:56
>> > > Portland coach is a 23 footer. Some love them and others are
>> grateful for the extra room of a 26 footer. I like my 26 footer. Royales
>> are very pretty. I personally like twin beds. As I age, I do not like
>> crawling over my bed partner when mother nature calls in the night....
>> >
>> >
>> > Tom, I know it says 23' but it sure looks like a 26 footer to me and
>> did Coachman even make a 23' Royale????
>> >
>> > Richard, I have a 403 and no complaints. I just finished 1600 miles
>> pulling a 93 Saturn. It ran as fast as I wanted to go and got 10.2mpg with
>> the towd. Several guys pull VW Things.
>> >
>> > The 78 is going to have all the GMC enhancements such as the final (and
>> best) version of the air suspension etc. I wouldn't be afraid of it at all.
>>
>>
>> --
>> C. Boyd
>> 76 Crestmont
>> East Tennessee
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> 1976 Palm Beach
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| Re: [GMCnet] Let the quest begin [message #196343 is a reply to message #196328] |
Wed, 23 January 2013 18:04 |
Ken Henderson
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This is definitely a 26', no matter how many typos the owner makes:
http://portland.craigslist.org/yam/rvs/3551322440.html
Coachmen's Royales were 26'; Birchavens were 23'.
I wouldn't touch a '73 with a silicone sealed roof seam at $2000. How
could one EVER get all the silicone out of the lap seam to achieve a
reliable seal?
Ken H.
Americus, GA
'76 X-Birchaven w/Cad500/Howell EFI+ & EBL
www.gmcwipersetc.com
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Kerry Pinkerton wrote:
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> tphipps wrote on Wed, 23 January 2013 16:56
> > Portland coach is a 23 footer. Some love them and others are grateful
> for the extra room of a 26 footer. I like my 26 footer. Royales are
> very pretty. I personally like twin beds. As I age, I do not like
> crawling over my bed partner when mother nature calls in the night....
>
>
> Tom, I know it says 23' but it sure looks like a 26 footer to me and did
> Coachman even make a 23' Royale????
> --
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| Re: [GMCnet] Let the quest begin [message #196344 is a reply to message #196329] |
Wed, 23 January 2013 18:18 |
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Sir: here is what they all looked like new.
http://www.bdub.net/publications/
I would also advise a close examination, especially the frame under the battery box and around the bogie attachment. This coach was purchased in New Jersey and driven to Tenn and around for a while till an oil cooler line ruptured and took the engine out. Owner said it drove good. I think battery acid and road salt contributed as I also have another here that is rusty in the same place under the battery box from Baltimore.
Probably the most sought after is an early 77. They have the 3rd gen ac and the 455 engine. The 403 is a good engine and I would not let that spoil a deal.
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/member-galleries/p44899-rusty-frame.html
I bought the first one I saw from a Club member that used it and kept it up. A rear Bath 1976 23' Crestmont. Since then I have aquired 5 and still like the Crestmont the best. It is the only model with a full bath tub/shower. I do have to make the couch/bed or dinette/bed out to sleep but when not sleeping a bedroom is wasted space in my opinion.
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/u1686-c-boyd.html
| Richard Andis wrote on Wed, 23 January 2013 18:20 |
Pretty sure I'm going for a 26 unless some smoking deal comes my way for a 23.
Not sure if I want to pick up a vehicle here (Washington State)and enjoy the 2400 mile trip to Hell Paso, TX or.... locate a vehicle in the Southwest and start off with short trips then work up to the big ones. Unless I hade some history with the vehicle I'm a bit hesitant to engage in a long trip.
I do like the idea of picking up a "fixer upper" and doing a total gut job, redesign, upgrade and rebuild. Just don't think I want to chance being in mid project when the house does sell.
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