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A Hamilto is currently offline  A Hamilto   United States
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I have been looking for window film to put on my windshield and other windows. The state I live in restricts tint and/or "mirror" film on the windshield to the top 6" only. The state likewise restricts the amount of tinting or "mirroring" of coatings on the driver's side window and the shotgun's side window. Anything behind the cockpit can have anything you want on them. I am looking to reduce UV and heat gain from ALL the wndows. If I could find a clear, non-tinted, non-mirrored UV and IR reducing film at reasonable cost, I would cover the entire windshield and cockpit side windows with it. Anybody have any suggestions or experiences to share?

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Re: Heat-Reducing Window Film [message #126975 is a reply to message #126973] Sun, 22 May 2011 15:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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This is what I am looking into, but it is not cheap

http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/Window_Film/Solutions/Markets-Products/Automotive/


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Re: Heat-Reducing Window Film [message #126976 is a reply to message #126975] Sun, 22 May 2011 15:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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lilmyk wrote on Sun, 22 May 2011 15:41

This is what I am looking into, but it is not cheap

http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/Window_Film/Solutions/Markets-Products/Automotive/
I saw that a few weeks ago. Too expensive. It also looks like they want you to pay them to install it. And in my state, it would be illegal for an installer to cover the windshield with it. If I could install 3M 90% VLT film on the windshield myself, no one else (read that "law enforcement officers") would ever know that it was covered. Even the 90% VLT would still get 99% UV rejection and a high heat rejection.
Residential films are way cheaper and easier to find DIY kits, but don't know if they can stand the interior temps that vehicles have to endure.

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Re: [GMCnet] Heat-Reducing Window Film [message #126977 is a reply to message #126976] Sun, 22 May 2011 15:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The residential/DIY films are made for FLAT glass.
I doubt that the results would be satisfactory for
the wrap-around curved GMC MH windshields.

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> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Heat-Reducing Window Film
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>
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> lilmyk wrote on Sun, 22 May 2011 15:41
> > This is what I am looking into, but it is not cheap
> >
> > http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/Window_Film/Solutions/Markets-Products/Automotive/
> I saw that a few weeks ago. Too expensive. It also looks like they want you to pay them to install it. Residential films are way cheaper and easier to find DIY kits, but don't know if they can stand the interior temps that vehicles have to endure.
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Re: [GMCnet] Heat-Reducing Window Film [message #126980 is a reply to message #126977] Sun, 22 May 2011 16:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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k2gkk wrote on Sun, 22 May 2011 15:53

The residential/DIY films are made for FLAT glass.
I doubt that the results would be satisfactory for the wrap-around curved GMC MH windshields.

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That might be. It is possible that the automotive material is more flexible. But I am not sure that the GMC Motorhome windshield is a simple curve or a complex curve. If it only curves in one direction, the material won't have to stretch at all. It comes in rolls, so we know it can curve in at least one direction. The real fear is that the material will discolor, bubble, or otherwise decompose catastrophically over time and the residue could be very difficult to remove.
Re: [GMCnet] Heat-Reducing Window Film [message #126991 is a reply to message #126980] Sun, 22 May 2011 17:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Do not use Windex on tinted film.
It does change the colour.
Re: Heat-Reducing Window Film [message #126993 is a reply to message #126973] Sun, 22 May 2011 18:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I would suggest that you have a talk with a auto tinting co. When I dropped a couple of windows off to be tinted they were tinting the complete curved windshield of a Ford pick up. I asked if that was legal and they said it was necessary for medical reasons.
Roy


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Re: [GMCnet] Heat-Reducing Window Film [message #126994 is a reply to message #126976] Sun, 22 May 2011 18:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Also, you can not use residential/commercial tint greater then 35% on
interior windows. It reflects so much heat that it will destroy the thermal
properties of the window. And no manufacture recommends it nor do they
warranty it.

Llumar window film is the brand used at most car dealerships around here
(Memphis). Also available in a shatter resistant and vandal proof films,

http://www.llumar.com/en/Automotive.aspx



Tom Eckert N2VWN
73 Glacier
Oakland, TN


On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Mark <markbb1@netzero.com> wrote:

>
>
> lilmyk wrote on Sun, 22 May 2011 15:41
> > This is what I am looking into, but it is not cheap
> >
> >
> http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/Window_Film/Solutions/Markets-Products/Automotive/
> I saw that a few weeks ago. Too expensive. It also looks like they want
> you to pay them to install it. Residential films are way cheaper and easier
> to find DIY kits, but don't know if they can stand the interior temps that
> vehicles have to endure.
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Re: [GMCnet] Heat-Reducing Window Film [message #126995 is a reply to message #126994] Sun, 22 May 2011 18:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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That really only applies to double pane insulated windows with the air
space between the glass. The film will cause the glass with the film
on it to expand more and it will break the seal around the edge of the
glass.

It doesn't apply to single pane such as we have in the GMC.



Emery Stora

On May 22, 2011, at 5:01 PM, Tom Eckert <gmcrv1@gmail.com> wrote:

> Also, you can not use residential/commercial tint greater then 35% on
> interior windows. It reflects so much heat that it will destroy the
> thermal
> properties of the window. And no manufacture recommends it nor do
> they
> warranty it.
>
> Llumar window film is the brand used at most car dealerships around
> here
> (Memphis). Also available in a shatter resistant and vandal proof
> films,
>
> http://www.llumar.com/en/Automotive.aspx
>
>
>
> Tom Eckert N2VWN
> 73 Glacier
> Oakland, TN
>
>
> On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Mark <markbb1@netzero.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> lilmyk wrote on Sun, 22 May 2011 15:41
>>> This is what I am looking into, but it is not cheap
>>>
>>>
>> http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/Window_Film/Solutions/Markets-Products/Automotive/
>> I saw that a few weeks ago. Too expensive. It also looks like
>> they want
>> you to pay them to install it. Residential films are way cheaper
>> and easier
>> to find DIY kits, but don't know if they can stand the interior
>> temps that
>> vehicles have to endure.
>> --
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Re: [GMCnet] Heat-Reducing Window Film [message #126996 is a reply to message #126995] Sun, 22 May 2011 18:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sorry Emery,

I thought I mentioned that!

Yes anything goes on vehicles - even solid black.

Tom

On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 6:05 PM, Emery Stora <emerystora@mac.com> wrote:

> That really only applies to double pane insulated windows with the air
> space between the glass. The film will cause the glass with the film
> on it to expand more and it will break the seal around the edge of the
> glass.
>
> It doesn't apply to single pane such as we have in the GMC.
>
>
>
> Emery Stora
>
> On May 22, 2011, at 5:01 PM, Tom Eckert <gmcrv1@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Also, you can not use residential/commercial tint greater then 35% on
> > interior windows. It reflects so much heat that it will destroy the
> > thermal
> > properties of the window. And no manufacture recommends it nor do
> > they
> > warranty it.
> >
> > Llumar window film is the brand used at most car dealerships around
> > here
> > (Memphis). Also available in a shatter resistant and vandal proof
> > films,
> >
> > http://www.llumar.com/en/Automotive.aspx
> >
> >
> >
> > Tom Eckert N2VWN
> > 73 Glacier
> > Oakland, TN
> >
> >
> > On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Mark <markbb1@netzero.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> lilmyk wrote on Sun, 22 May 2011 15:41
> >>> This is what I am looking into, but it is not cheap
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/Window_Film/Solutions/Markets-Products/Automotive/
> >> I saw that a few weeks ago. Too expensive. It also looks like
> >> they want
> >> you to pay them to install it. Residential films are way cheaper
> >> and easier
> >> to find DIY kits, but don't know if they can stand the interior
> >> temps that
> >> vehicles have to endure.
> >> --
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Re: Heat-Reducing Window Film [message #127018 is a reply to message #126993] Sun, 22 May 2011 20:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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roy1 wrote on Sun, 22 May 2011 18:00

I would suggest that you have a talk with a auto tinting co. When I dropped a couple of windows off to be tinted they were tinting the complete curved windshield of a Ford pick up. I asked if that was legal and they said it was necessary for medical reasons.
Roy
The windshield can be tinted in my state if it is for medical reasons (driver's vision problems). Unfortunately, all the drivers of my GMC are cursed with perfect vision.
Re: [GMCnet] Heat-Reducing Window Film [message #127020 is a reply to message #126975] Sun, 22 May 2011 20:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Michael,

Thanks!

Just what I was looking for!

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This is what I am looking into, but it is not cheap

http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/Window_Film/Solutions/Markets-Pr
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Re: [GMCnet] Heat-Reducing Window Film [message #127021 is a reply to message #126994] Sun, 22 May 2011 20:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Tom,

Thanks to you too!

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Also, you can not use residential/commercial tint greater then 35% on
interior windows. It reflects so much heat that it will destroy the thermal
properties of the window. And no manufacture recommends it nor do they
warranty it.

Llumar window film is the brand used at most car dealerships around here
(Memphis). Also available in a shatter resistant and vandal proof films,

http://www.llumar.com/en/Automotive.aspx

Tom Eckert N2VWN
73 Glacier
Oakland, TN


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Re: [GMCnet] Heat-Reducing Window Film [message #127024 is a reply to message #126994] Sun, 22 May 2011 20:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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gmcrv1 wrote on Sun, 22 May 2011 18:01

Also, you can not use residential/commercial tint greater then 35% on interior windows. It reflects so much heat that it will destroy the thermal properties of the window. And no manufacture recommends it nor do they warranty it.

Llumar window film is the brand used at most car dealerships around here (Memphis). Also available in a shatter resistant and vandal proof films,

http://www.llumar.com/en/Automotive.aspx



Tom Eckert N2VWN
73 Glacier
Oakland, TN
Does anybody sell the llumar material for a DIY application? I hadn't planned to drive the GMC anywhere near Memphis in the next hundred years or so, and really don't have the spare $ to pay someone else to install the stuff. And that is assuming they would apply it to the entire windshield (which they wouldn't do in AL unless one had a medical prescription).
Re: [GMCnet] Heat-Reducing Window Film [message #127027 is a reply to message #127018] Sun, 22 May 2011 20:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If you went to the site I linked to in my email, you will see they have a
section on tinting windshields and windscreens.

Tom Eckert N2VWN
73 Glacier
Oakland, TN

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>
>
> roy1 wrote on Sun, 22 May 2011 18:00
> > I would suggest that you have a talk with a auto tinting co. When I
> dropped a couple of windows off to be tinted they were tinting the complete
> curved windshield of a Ford pick up. I asked if that was legal and they said
> it was necessary for medical reasons.
> > Roy
> The windshield can be tinted in my state if it is for medical reasons
> (driver's vision problems). Unfortunately, all the drivers of my GMC are
> cursed with perfect vision.
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Re: [GMCnet] Heat-Reducing Window Film [message #127038 is a reply to message #127027] Sun, 22 May 2011 21:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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gmcrv1 wrote on Sun, 22 May 2011 20:58

If you went to the site I linked to in my email, you will see they have a
section on tinting windshields and windscreens.

Tom Eckert N2VWN
73 Glacier
Oakland, TN
They will tint windshields in my state too, if you only want the top 6" done, or if you have a medical requirement for the whole windshield. Anyway, the llumar site pretty much says that they don't sell the raw materials to Joe Consumer, you have to take your vehicle to one of their installers to get it done. I don't have the resources to pay professionals to install stuff. The more I spend on professionals, the less I can spend on gasoline to actually enjoy my motorhome.
Re: [GMCnet] Heat-Reducing Window Film [message #127041 is a reply to message #127038] Sun, 22 May 2011 21:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Mark,

How much material do you need?

I have contacts that can get the film.

Tom Eckert

On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 9:24 PM, Mark <markbb1@netzero.com> wrote:

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>
> gmcrv1 wrote on Sun, 22 May 2011 20:58
> > If you went to the site I linked to in my email, you will see they have a
> > section on tinting windshields and windscreens.
> >
> > Tom Eckert N2VWN
> > 73 Glacier
> > Oakland, TN
> They will tint windshields in my state too, if you only want the top 6"
> done, or if you have a medical requirement for the whole windshield.
> Anyway, the llumar site pretty much says that they don't sell the raw
> materials to Joe Consumer, you have to take your vehicle to one of their
> installers to get it done. I don't have the resources to pay professionals
> to install stuff. The more I spend on professionals, the less I can spend
> on gasoline to actually enjoy my motorhome.
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Re: [GMCnet] Heat-Reducing Window Film [message #127047 is a reply to message #127041] Sun, 22 May 2011 22:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Each windshield would take a sheet about 40" X 68" (that gives an inch or so around the edges for imprecise placement for a novice installer). I haven't measured any of the other windows yet.
With those dimensions, what price range are we talking about for enough material to do the windshields?
Note that I need minimum tinting (or none) as I don't want it to be apparent that there is any covering on the windshield.
3M sells a product that is 90% VLT (Visible Light Transmitted) but blocks 99% of UV and about 35% IR (IIRC). That is the sort of thing I am looking for on the windshield and driver and shotgun toll windows. I can install darker tint in the living area if I want, but don't really know what I want there yet.

Before we get too far on this, do these films adversely affect nighttime windshield visibility?
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Mark,

I will call tomorrow and find out. I am thinking of doing the sides ans
rear of my coach 50%. possibly a band across the top of the windshield.
There is another company that I have samples from, let me check them also.
I am pretty sure he will have to order the material for the windshield due
to size. He does all the tinting for seven dealerships in the area. Most
of his stock is less then 30" x 120' on a roll.

What state are you in?

Tom Eckert

On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 10:16 PM, Mark <markbb1@netzero.com> wrote:

>
>
> Each windshield would take a sheet about 40" X 68" (that gives an inch or
> so around the edges for imprecise placement for a novice installer). I
> haven't measured any of the other windows yet.
> With those dimensions, what price range are we talking about for enough
> material to do the windshields?
> Note that I need minimum tinting (or none) as I don't want it to be
> apparent that there is any covering on the windshield.
> 3M sells a product that is 90% VLT (Visible Light Transmitted) but blocks
> 99% of UV and about 35% IR (IIRC). That is the sort of thing I am looking
> for on the windshield and driver and shotgun toll windows. I can install
> darker tint in the living area if I want, but don't really know what I want
> there yet.
>
> Before we get too far on this, do these films adversely affect nighttime
> windshield visibility?
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Re: [GMCnet] Heat-Reducing Window Film [message #127059 is a reply to message #127047] Mon, 23 May 2011 01:07 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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I haven't found any tinter that had it ( 3M 90% VLT non mirrored ), in my area. To get it, I would have to buy a 100 ft roll. The windshield have to be removed to do it, no way it can be done in place, and a good hair dryer is needed to stretch the film. DYI better figure on twice the amount of film, the first time will be a practice. Unless you really know how to do it.

If you do the windshields and side windows all the same ( so it look OEM ), the tint won't be noticed.

It would help with skin burns, and should also help the AC system.


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